Please begin Chapter IX of the Yarnell Hill Fire discussion here. Once again, do not include more than one link in your comment in order to avoid the spam folder. Thank you, John
Chapter I, Chapter II, Chapter II supplement, Chapter III, Chapter IV, Chapter V, Chapter VI, Chapter VII and Chapter VIII.
© Copyright 2014 John Dougherty, All rights Reserved. Written For: Investigative MEDIA
Joy and I attended the Yarnell Fire Board Group and are just back. It seems they were more intent on enforcing something that can not be legally enforced concerning state trespass laws than they are creating defensable space, looking at concerns regarding the loss of 40 lives since the fire and finding out what the circumstances really were that led up to the 19 GMHS deaths.
A number of Joy’s friends showed up to witness in case we got arrested–it did not happen. Even her husband was there to make bond if needed. The young fire chief stated he was only trying to comply with orders from upstairs, but he did not know that Joy had photographed many people that were on those state lands without legal passes, therefore breaking the law. Ignorance of the law is no excuse these days eventhough there are 64000 and more on the books. But boys enforcing the law need to get them all down so they can deliver the facts to us hikers. Well it turns out Joy educated many of those that she had in the photo when they later wanted to hike with us–almost to a person they did not know that they had to have a pass to walk on their own public lands. Yes a $15 senior pass or $20 regular pass will get you on with us–we want to keep you out of jail and the exorbitant fine for that awful crime of walking on state or federal lands without giving the mordida (bite) as they call it in Mexico. Some think it is akin to a robber holding a gun on you so you can walk out there. The state will do that for you as well if you are not happy with their fee.
I did get in a thing about the 40 dying and so first did Joy. I was able to let the board know that 83%of that LC95A slurry fire retardant is ammonia nitrate that gives off a lung tissue killing gas and that 8% is chemicals that we have yet to know due to trade secret. I suggested that since they should have the clout to gain this information, and seeing that they are a fire board concerned with fire things including firemen’s health they ought to find out. Also factor in 40 deaths now since the fire in this little community, would it not be a good idea to contact EPA or the health bureaus to investigate the possible escalation in deaths to older citizens. One lady was very interested on the board and did write this down. Maybe it will help somebody–seeing the 6 page information report on LC95A states it has never been tested on animals or humans as to its effect on health. They just assume it is good stuff and the gasses and chemicals emitted by the drops are benign. Sounds like the same shit we heard when i was a uranium miner–low grade uranium does no harm–yet you can get a consolation prize for being a uranium miner for over 4 quarters of a hundred and fifity grand. It takes one of specific cancers, COPD, and other diseases to get it and up to ten years for approval so hopefully you can hang on against the disease until you get it. Most haven’t and those old miners i knew were mostly gone long ago from one cancer or another. Maybe these firemen need to know now what they breath, so they can have some chance of future retribution–if indeed as i belive they are–breathing dangerous chemicals.
Now back to the fire–Joy did post some more new photos a few days ago. What I saw looked like would be more help in resolving things.
The Discovery Channel guy did contact Joy just before we left–wanted her to report back on how it went at the fire board. Well I did not see much excitement there, but can bet they will lay off Joy after she laid out about six pages of maps, regulations and facts about how the law must be followed not only by us but by those that exercise the law as well.
It is amazing all this to me–I do admire you people here and how well you have been exposing these bumblers of the Yarnell fire.
I have to admit I did ask the FBI to step in and had presented a pretty good argument (at least in my own opinion) as to why they should. It took a long email to the Phoenix office–and one of the things i covered is the obvious cover up and omission of such things as that Bambi and Copter able to stop the fire or at least slow it for oncoming fire fighters that was told by the Honcho to stay put. Such things seem strange to me–also that a photo of two atv’s on the mountain right at the fire on Friday is in the hands of certain individuals–yet no investigator has ever bothered to contact those people with the photo or even ask who it is that has those photo’s.
Did Joy’s discovery of that bambi/copter photo and the fact that certain firemen on the job hear on radio that bosses told the copter pilots to stand down on Saturday morning piss someone off? Marti and Wants to Know the Truth dissected those photos as to what they were as well as time and date and location. The idea is that someone does not want the truth and nothing but the truth out and in my way of thinking only outside investigators will be able to get closure and satisfaction to the loved ones. There are lots of children out there without fathers now, mothers and dads without their sons. There are plenty of friends saddened by this tragedy So no matter how lightly those dissenters to outside investigators might be, this investigation will go on and no amount of harassment or intimidation will stop athose of us who whittle at the veil of whitewash we hve been fed.
John started Chapter X last night
Cool.
Packing my bags right now.
The direct ‘jump link’ to the new Chapter X ( TEN ) is as follows…
http://www.investigativemedia.com/yarnell-hill-fire-chapter-x/
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** EXIF METADATA CONTAINED IN THE FILES RECEIVED BY INVESTIGATIVE MEDIA
The bad news: There are definitely TWO different video cameras involved but they both seem to be ‘older’ devices and there doesn’t seem to be any actual DEVICE information in the EXIF data that would specifically identify them.
The good news: There is ENOUGH data there to figure it out what devices they really were.
Also some more bad news… the first three videos have some TIMESTAMP information in them… but the more important ‘Helmet Cam’ videos do NOT.
** THE FIRST THREE VIDEOS
The following piece of EXIF data actually dates the camera.
This version C.S0050-0 V1.0 of the 3GP video format dates back to 2003…
Major Brand: 3GPP2 Media (.3G2) compliant with 3GPP2 C.S0050-0 V1.0
The following field seems to verify the AGE of this device as circa 2003 since it ONLY lists a 3GPP ‘compatibility’ mode with the older V1.0 version. If it was a more modern 3GPP capable device it would be listing additional ‘Compatible Brands’ like ‘3g2b’ and ‘3g2c’. ( in addition to the early 3g2a version )…
Compatible Brands: 3g2a
There is a ‘Current Time’ data field in this version of 3GPP, but as you well see below… either this device wasn’t updating it or that time-stamping feature for videos had been turned OFF.
** FILENAMES TAMPERED WITH?
Something really strange is going on with the ‘Media Create Dates’ versus the filenames that are appearing for these 3 files.
Here are the actual ‘Media Create Date’ timestamps embedded in these files… and the length of time BETWEEN them…
‘Create Date’ field for 0630131532.3g2
Media Create Date: 2013:06:30 22:32:34
‘Create Date’ field for 0630131533.3g2
Media Create Date: 2013:06:30 22:33:46 ( +66 seconds )
‘Create Date’ field for 0630131534.3g2
Media Create Date: 2013:06:30 22:35:07 ( +81 seconds )
This timestamp information does NOT match a possible device file naming sequence of…
0630131532.3g2
0630131533.3g2
0630131534.3g2
According to the device clock… it was 22:32:34 when the first video was ‘created’ ( 10:32:34 PM ).
We certainly know it wasn’t 10 PM in the evening… but even then the ‘minute sequence’ is off from reality.
The ‘minute value’ for the first two files matches ( 32 and 33 )… but according to the device itself the third filename should have had a ’35’ minute value instead of ’34’.
It’s late in the evening here.
More about all this later.
Here are some EXIF data ‘dumps’ from the files in the Dropbox…
** EXIF metadata contained in 0630131532.3g2
File Name: 0630131532.3g2
File Type: 3G2
MIME Type: video/3gpp2
Major Brand: 3GPP2 Media (.3G2) compliant with 3GPP2 C.S0050-0 V1.0
Minor Version: 0.0.0
Compatible Brands: 3g2a
Movie Data Size: 407900
Movie Data Offset: 28
Movie Header Version: 0
Create Date: 2013:06:30 22:32:34
Modify Date: 2013:06:30 22:32:34
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Preview Time: 0 s
Preview Duration: 0 s
Poster Time: 0 s
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Current Time: 0 s
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Track Header Version: 0
Track Create Date: 2013:06:30 22:32:34
Track Modify Date: 2013:06:30 22:32:34
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Track Layer: 0
Track Volume: 0.00%
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Image Height: 144
Graphics Mode: srcCopy
Op Color: 0 0 0
Compressor ID: mp4v
Source Image Width: 176
Source Image Height: 144
X Resolution: 72
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Bit Depth: 24
Video Frame Rate: 15
Matrix Structure: 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1
Media Header Version: 0
Media Create Date: 2013:06:30 22:32:34
Media Modify Date: 2013:06:30 22:32:34
Media Time Scale: 8000
Media Duration: 29.80 s
Handler Type: Audio Track
Handler Description: soun
Balance: 0
Audio Format: mp4a
Audio Channels: 2
Audio Bits Per Sample: 16
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Avg Bitrate: 110 kbps
Image Size: 176×144
Rotation: 0
** EXIF metadata contained in 0630131533.3g2
File Name: 0630131533.3g2
File Type: 3G2
MIME Type: video/3gpp2
Major Brand: 3GPP2 Media (.3G2) compliant with 3GPP2 C.S0050-0 V1.0
Minor Version: 0.0.0
Compatible Brands: 3g2a
Movie Data Size: 411029
Movie Data Offset: 28
Movie Header Version: 0
Create Date: 2013:06:30 22:33:46
Modify Date: 2013:06:30 22:33:46
Time Scale: 1000
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Preferred Rate: 1
Preferred Volume: 100.00%
Preview Time: 0 s
Preview Duration: 0 s
Poster Time: 0 s
Selection Time: 0 s
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Current Time: 0 s
Next Track ID: 3
Track Header Version: 0
Track Create Date: 2013:06:30 22:33:46
Track Modify Date: 2013:06:30 22:33:46
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Track Layer: 0
Track Volume: 0.00%
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Image Height: 144
Graphics Mode: srcCopy
Op Color: 0 0 0
Compressor ID: mp4v
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Source Image Height: 144
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Bit Depth: 24
Video Frame Rate: 15
Matrix Structure: 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1
Media Header Version: 0
Media Create Date: 2013:06:30 22:33:46
Media Modify Date: 2013:06:30 22:33:46
Media Time Scale: 8000
Media Duration: 29.92 s
Handler Type: Audio Track
Handler Description: soun
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Audio Format: mp4a
Audio Channels: 2
Audio Bits Per Sample: 16
Audio Sample Rate: 8000
Avg Bitrate: 110 kbps
Image Size: 176×144
Rotation: 0
** EXIF metadata contained in 0630131534.3g2
File Name: 0630131534.3g2
File Size: 400 kB
File Type: 3G2
MIME Type: video/3gpp2
Major Brand: 3GPP2 Media (.3G2) compliant with 3GPP2 C.S0050-0 V1.0
Minor Version: 0.0.0
Compatible Brands: 3g2a
Movie Data Size: 406487
Movie Data Offset: 28
Movie Header Version: 0
Create Date: 2013:06:30 22:35:07
Modify Date: 2013:06:30 22:35:07
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Preferred Rate: 1
Preferred Volume: 100.00%
Preview Time: 0 s
Preview Duration: 0 s
Poster Time: 0 s
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Current Time: 0 s
Next Track ID: 3
Track Header Version: 0
Track Create Date: 2013:06:30 22:35:07
Track Modify Date: 2013:06:30 22:35:07
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Track Layer: 0
Track Volume: 0.00%
Image Width: 176
Image Height: 144
Graphics Mode: srcCopy
Op Color: 0 0 0
Compressor ID: mp4v
Source Image Width: 176
Source Image Height: 144
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Bit Depth: 24
Video Frame Rate: 15
Matrix Structure: 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1
Media Header Version: 0
Media Create Date: 2013:06:30 22:35:07
Media Modify Date: 2013:06:30 22:35:07
Media Time Scale: 8000
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Handler Type: Audio Track
Handler Description: soun
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Rotation: 0
** THE HELMET CAM VIDEOS ( The M2Uxxxxx.MPG files )
Now that we know the ACTUAL ( original ) file extension for the M2Uxxxxx files was .MPG ( and not .MP4 ) that pretty much proves Hulburd’s ‘Helmet Camera’ had to be some kind of SONY based device.
Perhaps an older Sony HandyCam or Sony MiniCam.
There really isn’t much information there on initial inspection… but there *might* be more.
Stay tuned.
** EXIF metadata contained in M2U00269.MPG
File Name: M2U00269.MPG
File Size: 14 MB
File Type: MPEG
MIME Type: video/mpeg
MPEG Audio Version: 1
Audio Layer: 1
Audio Bitrate: 160 kbps
Sample Rate: 44100
Channel Mode: Joint Stereo
Mode Extension: Bands 4-31
Copyright Flag: True
Original Media: True
Emphasis: CCIT J.17
Image Width: 720
Image Height: 480
Aspect Ratio: 16:9, 625 line, PAL
Frame Rate: 29.97 fps
Video Bitrate: 9.1 Mbps
Duration: 12.91 s (approx)
Image Size: 720×480
** EXIF metadata contained in M2U00268.MPG
File Name: M2U00268.MPG
File Size: 41 MB
File Type: MPEG
MIME Type: video/mpeg
MPEG Audio Version: 1
Audio Layer: 1
Audio Bitrate: 160 kbps
Sample Rate: 44100
Channel Mode: Joint Stereo
Mode Extension: Bands 4-31
Copyright Flag: True
Original Media: True
Emphasis: CCIT J.17
Image Width: 720
Image Height: 480
Aspect Ratio: 16:9, 625 line, PAL
Frame Rate: 29.97 fps
Video Bitrate: 9.1 Mbps
Duration: 0:00:36 (approx)
Image Size: 720×480
Hmmm
Maybe start here:
Sony – Cyber-Shot Shock+Waterproof Camera Orange+32GB+Helmet+Handlebar Mounts+Batt+Case+Flex Tripod+Acc Kit – Orange
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-cyber-shot-shock-waterproof-camera-orange-32gb-helmet-handlebar-mounts-batt-case-flex-tripod-acc-kit-orange/1311290807.p?id=mp1311290807&skuId=1311290807
Their “action cams” don’t zoom.
But this one does. And it’s optical zoom. And Sony uses Carl Zeiss lenses. The very best. That would explain what I was seeing in the first M2U video.
But no remote. He would have had to operate this by hand.
Just looked at 69. It’s the same length as the YouTube version.
More videos have been uploaded now.
Thanks, JD!!
OK, back to bed. I just got up bcuz of a sneezing attack.
Thanks, WTKTT!
Hmmm.
That 2003 GP3 really is a stumper.
I thought GP3 was associated with GoPros. Guess not.
Correction It’s 3GP
Big learning curve for me here.
Maybe it IS a flip cellphone?
Marti digs back thru the cobwebs in her mind to try to even remember what her first cellphone was (it didn’t take pictures) after learning that 3GP didn’t start with GroPros, but with 3G networks.
2002
“Nokia 7650
This was the first Nokia set to feature a built-in camera and was featured in the movie Minority Report.”
From “THE EVOLUTION OF CELL PHONE DESIGN BETWEEN 1983-2009”
http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/05/the-evolution-of-cell-phone-design-between-1983-2009/
OK Now I REALLY need to go back to bed.
So Aaron was, possibly, actually shooting with an antique cellphone?
(This, if in fact it is the case, in no way substantiates what our counselor said about how fire fighter crews use old cellphones because they can’t afford anything newer. ) I’ve seen WAY too many firefighter videos to believe that.)
Confession.
My Melita Drip Coffee Maker/Carafe is over 27 years old.
I wouldn’t even think of using anything else.
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** What InvestigativeMEDIA actually received from the US Forestry Service
IM has just now posted a link to exact copies of what it actually received from the US Forestry Service in response to the original FOIA request for ‘Prescott National Forest’ employee video(s).
The new IM article about this is here…
InvestigativeMEDIA posts first set of Forest Service videos
November 17, 2014 By John Dougherty
http://www.investigativemedia.com/investigativemedia-posts-first-set-of-forest-service-videos/
The direct link to the online Dropbox that contains the 12 videos ( out of a total of 21 ) that have been uploaded so far is as follows…
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ipv8to6ih7gmzbq/AAC82U3UuheEtc8GPHFn91vea?dl=0
The uploading is ongoing and not yet completed… but there are at least 12 complete videos already in the Dropbox… including the first THREE of the burnout operation up on Model Creek Road.
Thanks!
There’s a bunch more there now.
When I heard the statement who “knew” the men “the answers died with the 19″…it just stuck to me…
I say to anyone who thinks all the answers died with them.
PLAY GOD. PAY THE PRICE.
SOME of ‘the answers’ probably did… but certainly not ALL… as the United States Forestry Service, Arizona Forestry, and officials/employees of the City of Prescott would like us to believe.
Even just 9 days ago… the United States Forestry Service and Arizona Forestry proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they have ALWAYS been ‘withholding’ crucial evidence about what really happened that day from both the families of the poor men who lost their lives AND from the people charged ( by law ) with officially investigating this tragic incident.
You have to wonder, then… what else is still being ‘withheld’… and what ‘answers’ lie ahead?
Recently Bob Powers used 2 words that struck me “STRICK CONFIDENCE” and when we began the hikes we explained ANYONE reaching out to us from June 30 2013 until January 2014 that anything they said to us would not be kept in strick confidence because I just did not want to juggle who said what and what not to say since we were bombarded by so many avenues from locals to firefighting/smokejumper community to investigators/media/radio/djs/authors/journalists to loved ones of the GMHS to total strangers to retired military/cia/federal folks to meteorologists to botanists to high up command current and retired of wildland fire community to fire wardens current and retired to state and city and county officials again current and retired so our list is very very lengthy of incoming communications. I have some information and I can only state that at this date but remember this date because when it comes out I just want everyone to know how God has guided this all and boy do I wish I can share even the tiniest detail yet all I can say it is in regards to who God shared to us without us even looking and how it is still amazes me how God’s time is slower than I would of thought on the topic of the YHF when there is still living beings that were on that fire and homeowners that if they just shared their accounts and footage…I finally learned to trust the One who knows all things and accept that some questions may never be answered. I just hope in this YHF; we witness from seed-time to HARVEST. I can share this week a local asked me HOW COME I never posted on here about the flair a homeowner saw at 4:35pm from the area of the Helm’s (THE BOX CANYON) and the homeowner did not know how come it was never mentioned in the SAIR and I explained it was a solo account said in front of other locals but to this date I have not yet heard another account so I never posted about it because I work on some how trailing back to source/footage. I will not say something on JD’s page unless it is what it is…I think of the children in all this and as they grow or currently old enough and read this that I am saying all I can for the fatherless. I know it is OFF TRACK but the whales do not have a voice but there are current strong activists saving the whales from poachers so I just am trying to keep checking every possible area we can and really I did not get local’s cd yet but did learn one is on vacation for 2 weeks with her daughter and my hopes is the Holidays does not envelop her time and have to wait for the new year. Yet it will cover the areas of Model Creek Road/Monica Mine and mountain top views. Also John last night at Barb’s now knows what we are looking for and he will get the word out. I passed out today so I am online to order some labs. I had a forehead blood gusher and I have no clue how long I was out. I am feeling woozy. Today they are having MEET THE ARTIST at the Yarnell Library with Chuck Tidey and his art. Surrounded by many folks are the MOVE ON JOY/LET THE FIRE AND MEN GO…you would think if a certain GMHS loved one had her hand in their ideas nowadays—either way Bob Powers is right. I did tell everyone if you tell me something let it be something I can repeat but I do know certain current firefighter community are not in fear of their career as much as they fear the change that may happen from them coming forward because it may not just affect their career but too many…I gotta go. Head hurts. Sonny is typing away and I printed my labs and ordering more so some time I hope to look more into this page yet I do SUPPORT a new chapter!
I happened to peruse the info on a GoPro package while in the store yesterday, and while that particular device will not zoom, it will go from wide view to narrow view, which under certain conditions could sort of mimic a zoom.
I took a quick look through some of the videos to see if I could find any zooming going on, and I didn’t see any in the places I looked. If any of you are familiar with the locations of any zooms, you might want to double check to make sure the camera wasn’t just going from wide to narrow, or vice versa.
Thanks! Good catch! Will look!
I DID look for zooming, and found it.
Will go back and look to see if it’s zooming or “shifting”
Just going from “wide” to “narrow” wouldn’t change the focal length or the appearance of that. Maybe it’s like a digital zoom where it crops the whole frame, which is what cellphones do. making it look like a zoom.
To make a cellphone really zoom, you have to get an additional lens. Making and selling those has been quite a cottage industry.
OK. I looked at M2U00261.
He’s definitely zoomng in and out. It’s a gradual thing, zooming in and out..
http://youtu.be/41IHV2FE5CE?list=PLTErVrHH6uJja-ljtn7z9Q5Sz9WtCPGw1
You are correct, no question about it in this video. THX!
Thank you, Marti.
I would say that pretty much rules out a ‘smartphone’ device as well.
Not to worry… we are GOING to find out what camera(s) Hulburd was using and what the FULL story is on this latest ‘evidence dump’ from USFS.
One step at a time… swings of the axe.
So I just looked at the video again.
The zoom is very smooth and the resolution also seems quite good. And he’s really pushing it.
Looks more like optical zoom than digital zoom.
I haven’t youtubed to look at the Drift cameras. I think I will tonight.
And it’s also really quiet.
Ugh. Watching these videos about the drift is making me salivate.
Unfortunately, i’ve now looked at lots of Drift videos, and so far the zoom is not really used a lot. They’re mostly featuring lots of other things in which the zoom function isn’t really used.
Remember, you wrote on October 19, 2014 at 11:58 PM:
“Something tells me the already scheduled November 17 ‘ADOSH findings challenge review’ might play into the timing here.”
Welcome to today, everybody!!
BrainMistake Alert
It was WTKTT who wrote that, not TTWARE.
The important thing is:
It’s TODAY.
There actually is no regularly scheduled AOSHA (public) meeting for today.
We’ve never been quite where even Mr. Dougherty got that date but I’m also sure Mr. Dougherty has many contacts he trusts there in Arizona.
As per the following ADOSH link…
http://www.ica.state.az.us/Commissioners/COMM_agendas_page.aspx
…the LAST public meeting was November 13… and the NEXT scheduled public meeting is November 20.
The ‘minutes’ for the last November 13 meeting have not been published yet, but I would imagine if any decision was made at that meeting we have heard about by now.
It’s going to be an MSM ( Mainstream Media ) event, no matter what the decision is.
I am ASSUMING that this consideration about whether they should even consent to a review of their previous findings will show up on the agenda for one of their public meetings… because that’s what normally happens.
This certainly isn’t the first time ADOSH has issued fines against an Arizona employer and they have ‘contested’ them and requested a ‘review of the findings’.
There are plenty of OTHER past ‘minutes’ records for ADOSH where they discussed such ‘review requests’ in an open and transparent manner.
I do NOT know how ADOSH plans on handling this one.
It MIGHT all be ‘under the covers’ instead of in the ‘public’ agenda or minutes, like they have done in the past.
We shall see.
I believe the ADOSH findings will ultimately stand… exactly the way Marshall Krotenberg and his staff published them in the first place.
That was a ‘seriously screwed up’ workplace that entire weekend.
I’m sure AZCentral has their antennae turned on.
The Administrative Law Judge has rescheduled the hearing (Arizona Division of Occupational Safety and Health of The Industrial Commission of Arizona vs. Arizona State Forestry Division/State of Arizona) related to the Yarnell Hill Fire to July 8, 2015 at 9:30 a.m.
Wow.
Thank you, John.
Was any REASON given why someone thinks they now need another NINE MONTHS for this?
I also wonder who REQUESTED such a long extension.
Arizona Forestry?… or ADOSH?
This is itself newsworthy.
And I think the public has a right to know what’s going on here.
I doubt that Mr. Dougherty is making up the following ‘mouthful’…
(Arizona Division of Occupational Safety and Health of The Industrial Commission of Arizona vs. Arizona State Forestry Division/State of Arizona)
Sounds very much like the (full) official title of a duly filed court document.
I can find no such case filing in any law system I have access to, and no recent announcements about this rescheduling anywhere on the InterWeb.
Lazer head-cam camcorder”
“1st Lazer camcorder head-cam on youtube”
Published on Feb 12, 2013
“This is the first Lazer head-cam camcorder on youtube includes a Macro Zoom lens
“for close up”.Lazer and Zoom 1:15,Macro mode 1:35. The camera has a red lazer pointer to help you stay in frame with your subject when filming from head-cam.Camera has 8x Zoom and optical lens for macro mode
New Optical lens offers a higher performance lens than that of the Gopro’s lens”
http://youtu.be/-qMIbgLw4oo
I can’t really find anything about this camera on the google, other than this video, so I’m thinking he may be spelling/naming something incorrectly.
The big diff between this cam and the Drift cams is that this one has optical zoom rather than digital zoom, which the Drift cams use.
I haven’t had time to go back and really look at the videos to see if I can tell which type of zoom is in them. Digital zoom is really just cropping, so you lose resolution. Optical would keep the resolution and thus have better image quality.
Gotta go get some other stuff done. So have at it!
I just wanted to get a bead on about what cams are out there that have the features Aaron seems to be using.
Drift Innovation HD170 Stealth Action Camera with HD Recording, 4x Digital Zoom and 1.5-Inch LCD Screen (Black)
RF remote turns camera on and off while on your helmet or outside your vehicle. Saves batteries, memory and edit time
Night mode for optimal low-light performance. Digital 4X zoom
Ability to shoot in 60 frames per second for buttery smooth, professional quality slow motion video
The Drift HD170 Stealth is the worlds first sports action camera which films in full 1080p HD and has a built-in playback LCD screen and remote control. This rugged water resistant camera is the first camera that gives people what they want from an Action Camera.
Maximum Video Resolution: 1080p High Definition
SD Memory Capacity: up to 32GB
Digital Zoom: Digital x4 (in 720p/30/60fps & WVGA mode)
Lens Angle: 170° Fully Rotatable Wide Angle Lens
LCD Screen: 1.5″ Colour TFT
Water Resistant
Remote Control: Wireless RF (5m range) Hands Free Video and Photo
Audio: Built-in Microphone & Speaker
Menus: User Friendly Control Panel in 15 Languages
http://www.amazon.com/Drift-Innovation-Stealth-Recording-1-5-Inch/dp/B004L5AF4Q
I think, after reading the customer reviews, I might be willing to bet dollars to donuts this is it.
The remote clinched it for me, in the end.
That’s the older model.
Here”s the new smaller lighter one. Looks like they fixed the problems the customer reviews on the older one were describing
Drift HD Camera
http://www.amazon.com/Drift-Definition-Helmet-Action-Camera/dp/B005H2RDK6/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
If I were into headcam video, I”d scarf this baby up today. It’s 42% off — $174.00
Also:
DRIFT HD GHOST-S DIGITAL VIDEO ACTION CAMERA CAMCORDER
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Great stuff, Marti.
BTW… I did an extensive search ( believe me, extensive ) online for ANY other videos that might have been posted out there ANYWHERE that could be associated with Aaron Hulburd.
I found nothing.
There were even other photos taken by Christopher MacKenzie that were sitting online that allowed us to pretty much identify his camera before we ever got to see the EXIF data from his June 30, 2013 photos…
…but in this case ( for Aaron Hulburd )… I don’t see anything else ‘sitting out there’.
I did too. Same results.
A lot of crews use their videos to post on youtube for various purposes.
Blue Ridge doesn’t. Apparently neither do these guys.
Aaron probably uses his footage for in-house educational stuff, not for fun or advertising or public education.
Lets all move on I for one would rather bring any small information to this investigation and put it out to find additional input,
Some of us here have valuable contacts with the Families, FS, BLM, and Arizona Wild land Fire Fighters.
Some of these very people have given us information in strict confidence. Those that attack that information are only chasing those people back into the closet. People that would or could come forward are left with apprehension that they will as well be attacked.
Yes both RTS and I have contacts in the Fire community RTS being in and still working with Arizona FF’s is much closer to information than any of us. Those that contact us are yes afraid of loosing there jobs.
The Info we both got was key to IM John requesting the Videos. Wow New Revolution—-
IM knew about the Videos because RTS and I were contacted and the information given.
We knew there would be some skepticism here. Joy and Sonny who both live in the area confirmed that people had reviewed some new video information. That was being passed around.
So the additional information both RTS and I have indicates there is more to the Videos than was released we herd that and some other info that this may not be the only Video with info on it.
Did the video get shown in its entirety?
Did the video only get shown to a select few?
Was the Video we got only a part of the whole?
Some of the information out there says that the last part of the video showing the deployment scene was requested to be removed before it was released.
Dose that tell you some one or ones reviewed the Videos prior to release?
There are a lot of unanswered questions still lurking in the mist.
Why were the Videos not shown to the Families and Lawyers before they were released?
I rest my case at this point and hope that some one out there will contact John Dougherty with
more information to break this wide open…………………..
Thanks to all who have given me confidential information know your Identities are still safe.
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Exactly Bob–Too many are afraid of loosing their jobs for revealing what they know. Finding new evidence has been a slow going process because of those fears.
The last photos we gave out had to be in strict confidence for source. That person we gave appreciation to was happy that her photos may have helped. You see there are just too many cronies in this area with significant power over peoples lives to scare them. Still, Joy has been able to convince a few that their photos are important no matter how insignificant they are.
I thought there might be enough evidence out there to bring in a proper federal investigation but perhaps more is needed. Wouldn’t the deaths of 19 men beg for it considering the circumstances? Well we will continue searching for more.
A sad thing is that certain people with money and clout have a lot of information they do not share. Sharing on this forum expose the data to a multitude of savvy people and some with exceptional analytical skills. Joy in blowing up many of these photos had discovered some details that otherwise have been overlooked. She noticed that the initial count radioed in came to 18? That leaves questions as to whether another body was found later in another location away from the others. Of course the excuse will be that in the haste and excitement there was a miscount. Possible but considering all the other actions in this investigation we wonder.
Dr. Ted. Putman says that bodies should never be moved in haste since it takes away information that might be vital to understanding the real cause. We do not know how well that was handled here but hopefully it was done properly.
There are people here of good repute that told Joy and I that the dispatcher for the Yarnell fire department was instructed to shred records. We were told that the local fire department has witnesses that saw an argument as to whether to put the fire out or let it go until it grew into greater proportions so that crews could go to work. Considering the source of this information, I wonder why this is not investigated.
Again certain reputable people have told us that they have photos of two yellow and white ATV’s right at the fire on the evening lightening supposedly started this fire. Little has been said about this and I wonder why someone from government has not jumped on this information like bees on honey.
Maybe they have? If so we do not know and I personally do not have the clout to get them to do that. Maybe a Bob Powers or a John Daugherty or a mayor Kueykendahl could, Our friend, Charley Mosely, CIA operative and before a smioke jumper has sadly passed since the fire. He would have known what was necessary for such investigation and I hope there might be some other concerned firefighter with such high qualifications in the process to get honest answers which I believe will only come from an outside source such as the FBI.
I see that too many people are hiding evidence for selfish reasons, fear, or comraderie. Shame on them since their information is needed by the loved ones and not least because the full truth of this incident will save future lives.
I back Joy 100% on her efforts, but she is ill. The doctors tell her she has throat, tung and cancer tumors throughout her body. Yet she keeps plodding on in spite of doctors who want her in their clutches as soon as possible.
Something I am going to do now–we learned that from Show low a firefighter whom has only been on the fires for a couple years and is a young man has come down with a deadly cancer. Is there something in that agent orange fire retardant being used that the chemical companies are not telling us about? When I worked the Uranium mines they assured us that that low level radiation would not harm us. Yet nearly every Uranium miner I know has come down with one cancer or another. I myself have had a melanoma removed. You see, we are often lied to so that these big companies make their profits or because a government needs another atom bomb to wave at its enemies. Sadly that is the way the world works until people unite to protest.
Don’t be weak and fearful–put the information out even if you have to be anonymous to save your life.
Thank you good ones for keeping at this thing. Doing a good thing is always good for the soul.
also not the man was 100% in PERFECT health before graduating in 2012 to be a EMT/Firefighter.
People in the field new should keep a close eye on your blood labs before entering…fight some fires and see where you are at after fighting the fires.
Very good point!
What are they using out there to fight the fires nowadays…stuff to eventually kill their own men with insidious diseases. What is in that slurry drop.
I will be alright Sonny. Yet that was a forehead boo boo time today. I ordered proper labs to get proper answers.
Thank You to everybody who sweated out this past difficult week, trying to stay focused in spite of all the insanity provided by the United States Forest Service, the Arizona Department of Forestry, and the esteemed Law Professor.
And thank you to Aaron Hulburd who both captured the important videos we have been discussing all week and risked his life to do so while attempting, through fire and brimstone, to save the lives of the 19 Granite Mountain Hotshots.
This is not a game.
Namaste
Elizabeth wrote ( in response to Method )…
>> When the USDA (which is the “parent” organization over the USFS) “redacted”
>> (or blurred) parts of the videos with the “R” in the name, the USDA had to save
>> those videos (the ones with the”R” in the names) in NEW file formats (as, say, Mp4
>> instead of whatever format they were in when Aaron took the video originally),
If you are NOT lying about having ‘original byte-for-byte copies’ of the same material that was released last Saturday by USFS ( via Arizona Forestry’s YouTube channel )… then just look at the EXIF metadata for the 18 files that the USFS insists were not redacted in any way.
Right there… you will see this ‘whatever format they were in when Aaron took the video’.
Then tell us what that ‘original format’ actually was for ANY of those other ‘unredacted’ videos.
If you can’t do that… then you don’t have ‘original byte-for-byte copies’ of the material…
…and that means you are a LIAR.
I think we just wasted a large chunk of yesterday.
Trying to chase down another, as TTWARE warned, red herring.
I’m moving on. I suggest we all do.
Her little games are just not worth our time. Seriously.
I don’t think she even knows what “exif metadata” is, or how to go about finding it. Seriously.
That’s why I made the comment about her comment about the flipphone videos.
If she had any clue whatsoever about what she was talking about, she would never have written that comment.
She thinks it’s a game.
Marti… you are right.
This is all just ‘games’ and ‘noise’ coming from her.
I thought you would catch the irony of what I posted above.
If she has ‘byte-for-byte original copies’ of any videos… she doesn’t even need to look at the EXIF data.
She can just look at the file extension to see what ‘original FORMAT’ these videos are in.
.MOV, AVI, 3GP, etc, etc.
The EXIF data would just simply be telling you MORE about it.
She doesn’t have what she claims to have.
She’s a liar.
Oh, right!
Thanks!
I was too busy chasing actioncams with zooms, I hadn’t even thought about that.
Plus I just don’t do enough video to be handily thinking about that.