Chapter I, Chapter II, Chapter II supplement, Chapter III, Chapter IV, Chapter V, Chapter VI, Chapter VII, Chapter VIII , Chapter IX, Chapter X, Chapter XI, Chapter XII , Chapter XIII, Chapter XIV, Chapter XV, Chapter XVI, Chapter XVII, Chapter XVIII, Chapter XIX, Chapter XX, Chapter XXI, Chapter XXII, Chapter XXIII, Chapter XXIV, Chapter XXV, Chapter XXVI and Chapter XXVII, XXVIII, XXIX and XXX.
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** BRENDAN MCDONOUGH’S LATEST PUBLIC ACCOUNT OF WHAT
** HAPPENED IN YARNELL ON JUNE 30, 2013, NOW DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS
**THE OFFICIAL ACCIDENT REPORT.
For about the third time so far this year… the lone survivor of the Granite Mountain Hotshot Crew has been adding a new ‘detail’ to his ( continual ) public ‘re-tellings’ of what happened in Yarnell on Sunday, June 30, 2013.
That new ‘detail’ he is now adding to his ‘story’ about what happened that day has to do with WHY the GM Hotshots decided to leave the safe black and try to make it back to the town of Yarnell.
According to Brendan… there is absolutely NO mystery.
Someone who had authority that day over both DIVSA Eric Marsh and the GM Hotshots simply ASKED them to leave the safe black and ‘move to town’.
This new little ‘detail’ that Brendan is now unequivocally proclaiming be the ‘truth’ about WHY they moved now stands in direct contradiction to the stated findings of that initial Arizona Forestry Serious Accident Investigation Report.
Here is a published video of one of McDonough’s most recent ‘public’ appearances on a radio show…
YouTube
APS Radio: Brendan McDonough of the Granite Mountain Hotshots
Published: Apr 16, 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4WmmszNc3g
In this part of the radio interview, Brendan is talking about the ‘timeframe’ of when he and the Blue Ridge Hotshots had to evacuate from the Shrine Youth Camp…
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And so we get pulled out and we get back into town and… I mean… this thing’s movin’. I mean… it was impressive fire behavior.
And I’ve… I’ve seen things similar, but nothing like this to where the fire’s, you know, laying over on itself and just progressing.
And I remember a reporter once said it “skipped”… it “skipped with the wind”… you know… and that’s… that’s stuck with me for… for years. You know… since that day… of how… how fast that fire was moving.
And so… during that timeframe… my brothers started moving down their escape route to their safety zone to get back into town because it was requested… “Hey… if you guys could make it back
into town we could use you.”
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** BRENDAN IS NOW DIRECTLY CONTRADICTING THE OFFICIAL SAIT REPORT
From PDF page 43 of the official Yarnell SAIR ( Serious Accident Invesigation Report )…
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At some time after 1604, the Granite Mountain IHC moved from the area where they had been working throughout the day. The (SAIT) Team has no indication that anyone asked them to move, and does not know for certain why they moved.
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Key sentence from the SAIR…
“The (SAIT) Team has NO indication that ANYONE ASKED THEM TO MOVE.”
Key sentence from Brendan’s ‘new public account’ of what happened…
“…my brothers started moving down their escape route to their safety zone to get back into town because it was REQUESTED…”
So far, Brendan has not NAMED the individual who was asking GM to leave the safe black and move to town… but maybe the more he keeps telling the ‘story’ he will start adding that additional ( important ) detail as well.
** ANOTHER RECENT VIDEO INTERVIEW WHERE BRENDAN MAKES
** THE SAME ‘STATEMENT OF FACT’ THAT THE GM CREW WAS
** SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO COME TO YARNELL
Here is another ( recent ) PUBLIC interview with Brendan McDonough where he makes the same exact unequivocal ‘statement of fact’ which contradicts the SAIT report.
This time it was on the ‘Mighty Oaks Show’, with its host, Jeremy Stalnecker, broadcasting via YouTube.
Mighty Oaks Warrior Programs
Mighty Oaks Show 081
Granite Mountain Hotshots – Brendan McDonough
Premiered Aug 28, 2020
4.06K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHfdwOBJcbs
At the following point in THIS interview, Brendan is actually talking about the same ‘timeframe’ as in the other interview above. The point when he and the Blue Ridge Hotshots were evacuating from the Shrine Youth Camp…
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So we pull out. Some other engines pull outta there.
My crew is asked, at that point, during that point in time, if they could
get back to the town to help us fight this fire… and so they’re moving
down their escape route now.
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Once again… the KEY sentence from the SAIR…
“The (SAIT) Team has NO indication that ANYONE ASKED THEM TO MOVE.”
And now… the KEY sentence from THIS other ‘new public account’ from Brendan
which also directly contradicts the SAIT report…
My crew is ASKED, at that point, during that point in time, if they could
get back to the town to help us fight this fire.
Ok, so the toxic retardant took the life of another Yarnell resident–Dr. Leroy Anderson of whom I had earlier spoke about without identifying him. He would want you to know however–Joy and I had visited his home and yard were i colored orange and red from a heavy soaking of retardant during the second Tenderfoot fire. His home was on the north and east end of Yarnell and had been plastered during the earlier wild fire that killed the GMHS crew as well. May he rest in peace–he had been on the fire board as a chief there and was well aware of the demise and had meeting in his home–some recording of the new fire Chief at Peeples valley who had told some about the Peeples Valley working in the Shrine area as the then lying chief had denied to Joy that they were even in the area. Joy however was recording him which he did not at first realize so more or less put his foot in his mouth having admitted also to arranging documents so his outfit could get paid for better equipment rates that what they actually owned. Seems fleecing the government is not uncommon in the FS fire fighting system–but then we see it in all departments these days. Other fighters had told Joy that they would allow Peeples valley to take care of areas that were actually closer to Yarnell department since per deim payments would augment Peeples Valley for out of district work. The favors were returned to Yarnell when areas that Peeples Valley could not collect on because of proximity were then instead given to Yarnell. Political pork in all government operations is known–whether those actions were illegal I have no clue but fit never seemed to matter to the people of the State or the County in those areas.
However, if you had seen the hideous condition of Dr. Anderson before his death you would likely run from any area of retardant toxin dumping. The retardant had fertilized his cancer much as it fertilizes the plant life or radiation such as that of Chernoybly greatly increased growth rings in the pines near the site, especially those exposed closeby. The retardant also fertilizes other diseases as we saw though the years at Yarnell as people were steadily picked off or sickened and weakened much like the Chernobyl incident only at a greater rate–a death rate ratio to population than that recorded from the radiation.
I had mentioned the dioxins that desolated a town in Missouri. Dioxins are a part of the dirty dozen chemicals listed as highly dangerous to health. They have a half life of 7-11 years and are cumulative over time. The usage of the dioxins has been reduced due to seeing the effects they have had on higher life forms, yet they are still used in industries.
But our concerns are with the retardant that should be added to the dirty dozen to make it the dirty 13. I do know there are some very bad chemicals formed when the retardant is subjected to head–one being cyanide gas–the same thing the Germans used to kill Jews in their gas chambers –called Zyclon B by their invention. The only difference in Zyclon B invention for death chambers and pesticide use was to add to the hydrogen cyanide gas some anti eye irritant and diatomaceous earth. Arizona is taking advantage of the foumula and tuning up their gas chambers to execute prisoners–recent Arizona and world news. The only difference in the heated retardant creating cyanide gas is that no one really knows the concentration factor in the air after the dumping–and you can be sure any effort to measure those values will be protested, lobbied and told that the amounts are insignificant considering the saving of residences. Fuck the fire fighter and those bystanders and residents that inhale the toxins as far as the thinking of the multi billion dollar world market goes and especially with the profits to be made now that mega fires are in order from the heat wave.
I can tell you that only 6ppm are allowed in the air at any factory using cyanide in its manufacturing processes. That was done because the industries that use the stuff were having high cases of cancer incidents–Yet it is not only the cyanide I am concerned about but there are plenty of hidden chemicals under trade secret propaganda. When it concerns health and situations we have seen at Yarnell and those health problems known to be high in fire fighters there ought not be any hidden chemicals. But you see no one lobby these yahoo Politicians that only listen to lobbyists that contribute big money to their campaigns. Well maybe Karen Fenn does–you in Yavapai County and in Arizona would know.
And any of you bold supporters of dumping retardant on residents ought to spend a bit of time researching the retardant chemicals–that is those you are allowed to know. Then you need visit the people and see the photos of Dr Anderson–a strict health doctor and traditionalist that was killed by these very chemicals.
These are my opinions–my chemistry was from New Mexico State University–I was a B student in Chemistry, but much interested in the class and that B came by honestly–not because I belonged to a fraternity that shared answers from previous tests that Professor kept repeating.
Now you should suspect that something in the chemistry of the retardant fertilizes plaque in the vascular system of humans–there were a multitude of heart attacks after the Yarnell inundations of retardant. But it does not stop there–people also suffered many cancer issues also well fertilized as well as lung issues. There are several chemicals involved and as Covid was by Dr. Fauchi in the North Carolina level 3 lab–gain of function Covid 19 was created and bragged about by Journal and also protested by other scientists–so does the retardant chemical soup have gain of function upon being subject to heat. Brush up on your chemistry to see that heat is required in many chemical processes.
Slainte–may the Irish gods or your own ideas of gods bless your work if it is honest work worth the blessing.
correction chemicals subject to heat not head–some will get a laugh at that one–but also Dr. Anderson was a nutritionalist and maybe a traditionalist also. I leave off s’s often but that is because the left hand went through a 20-ton wood splitter once destroying much of the nerves there–I am very lucky to have a left hand much less be able to use it though I do sometimes re read and see how proof reading might be a good idea. Thanks for your patience if you bother to read the mangled Queen’s English.
The oceans are increasing in acidity and with the chemical slurry run off of phosphate and ammonium solutions are rendering the ocean waters poisonous to aquatic life. It was no wonder to see the hundreds of thousands of dead fish washed up along rivers and ocean beaches in Florida–the concentrations of phosphates that are devastating to fish and contribute to ocean red bloom dead zones are measured in parts per million. The EPA regards one tenth of a part per million as the upper limit of safe water–in fact regard .025 ppm as the safe zone for drinking water.
One of the greatest dangers are the ongoing destruction of the ocean waters. Three quarters of the oxygen we breath is produced by the plankton of the oceans. The coal and oil burning over the centuries of the oil and coal industrial society has increased the carbon levels of the atmosphere greatly. CO2 not only produces a greenhouse effect, it also combines with ocean waters to produce carbonic acid–H2C03–a toxin to the micro ocean forms and the fish and other aquatic life. Be aware that the balance of life in the ocean environment is measured in parts per million. There is a threshold of ocean pollution where there can be no clean up–no return so that ocean life will be wiped out–oxygen sources for land species and humans will be insufficient as well. When this happens teleology will have to create oxygen tents for survivors to dwell in much like what will be done to allow people to survive on Mars.
It has to be ignorance or willful denial that people the unload massive amounts of chemical retardants that not only poison the land, scarce underground water sources but ultimately end up in the oceans. When the oceans do reach the threshold of death then the planet indeed will become sterile–life will not be sustainable.
It is now known that all the billionaires only one paid less than 3% of his income –that was Elon Musk. The others that own Amazon, Facebook and the like paid less than 2% of their income. Warren Buffet beat them all at paying less than 1% of his income on income tax reports. All have had years where they paid no income taxes at all. Yet we heard Warren say the wealthy need to pay more taxes. A snake has a forked tongue.
Now we see these backers of Monsanto–and other chemical companies including those Israeli and American retardant and phosphate producers cheering them on. Your regular Lolita Express rider and great vaccine magnate is buying up as much agriculture land as the size of the state of Texas–He is looking to expand the big agriculture farms and put the small rural farmer out of business. Serfdom for the masses once the economy collapses and the great reset begins. And there will be massive methods of chemical use on these lands as these agricultural industries continue to expand. Monsanto and the Israeli and American Chemical Companies and the like will be great friends of the Gates and friends empire. Massive amounts of chemicals, pesticides and herbicides are needed for these industrial agricultural works. It will be more profits all around–except for the serfs that already are already on the brink of ruin. Does Gates expect another 1929 with people in long food lines? I think so and his friend Warren has already distanced himself from the Stock Market. Isn’t it great to have insider knowledge not shared with the average bloke on the brink of disaster.
There are a few who refuse to be bought and whose concerns for life and the planet are not negotiable. But those that stand for truth are in a mess and will be labeled as loons. In the same way these leaders demonize Chinese, Russians, Muslims and anyone that stands in their way to power and wealth. In the end there will be small physical reward for those of integrity. There are many brave physically but few morally.
Go to You Tube and see what John McAfee’s widow says about his alleged suicide–you will surmise that the scale of murder weighs greatly in the balance just as even a cursory investigation into the Epstein suicide evidence a murder. McAfee stepped on some heavy hitters–you take away income taxes and you fuck the pay checks to those in the highest towers with the greatest controls.
Trump when he killed the Iranian general made political murder an honorable situation. I ceratainly do not like terrorists but in some respects we must say that General was a part of the Iranian Army, like them or not. We are at war with these people with sanctions to harm the population with our political leaders thinking they can make a regime change. Meantime we are occupying Iraq that has asked us to leave their so call sovereign nation and supposed democracy we have installed. Truth was our politicians give a shit less about the government in control–it is the oil of these particular countries that is important.
But you can see how desperate the politicians are to protect their power positions and reputations that keep them there–and especially their G ratings that determine the money they make. So it is no wonder the game that happened at Yarnell to cover the crimes of the killing of the GMHS crew.
But the bigger crimes these money grubbers and power seekers have are those against the planet that our children and grand children will face–and in truth we are already facing yet too many are turning their faces from it. The incessant damanging of the environment and the people by the orange retardant dumping is not the only source of criminal activity gone unrecognized and left unprosecuted. Look up the Dow Chemical reputation that has for thirty years tainted rivers and ground water with chemical waste containing some of the worst chemicals including dioxin. This they have done knowingly just as Monsanto and others involved continue to do.
Yes we train terrorists like the one that killed the Journalist and cut him into pieces and flushed him down the toilet–we have Presidents that wave their hand and kill at will by drone or other assassination methods. For instance Osami Ben Lauden was unarmed when he was assinated–someone did not want him alive to testify in court so he got a brain shot.
But to the planet and those greedy industries that do what they do–some have grandchildren and children and now even they are beginning to loose foothold and in danger. The outlook is grim but without true facts we can only live in delusion. You may enjoy virtual reality but when you drink a glass of water laden with dioxin, retardant chemicals, arsenic infected water from the retardant chemical heat reactions, lead, and gods only know what trade secret ingredients–then you come down with stomach cancer or one of the many other diseases caused by these chemicals–you most likely will say well it was just my immune system or old age or young age and life. Meantime your retardant executives have spent millions for psychologists to sell their products, lobbyists to stalk the politicos and advertisements to tell you how wonderful their product is. They might be living in luxury on king’s row but they have little vision beyond their own selfish interests. This is life in the fast lane for them–and fast deteriorating the planet while they are busy eliminating competition and making their dog eat dog way up the ladder.
Success based on greed. As they would say–He who dies with the most toys wins. But they do not look at the costs to others and the planet even themselves and their offspring.
Carbon levels are at 1.93 according to readings. Those are danger levels. Scientists involved in the climate change world say that a reading of 3 means a wipe out of 99% of human life.
It is now accepted by 97% of the knowledgeable scientist involved in climate studies agree to these formulations. If 97% of the fire fighters would say stay in the black, do not drop off into a box canyon choke full of dead and dry manzanita and a wind about to reverse a megafire–would you drop off in that canyon? Only if ordered perhaps and if you did not have better judgement because no one educated you properly–remember Donut did not even know there were safety rules so stammered though saying they were old fashioned –not even pertinent to his time and place.
God Speed on your journey–mine has been good because I made it good and time will broaden your world but only if you choose to break the chains of ignorance.
There is a war on Journalists–but in truth it has been an ongoing situation but more blatant these days. That is the independent Journalist–those that follow the leader without question and do not rock the boat with facts are secure–will likely be rewarded. They have avoided the real issues, the Hunter Biden stories, the facts we have fought 5 straight wars since Korea and lost them all except of course where we defeated the tiny island of Granada. Viet Nam was a disaster based on false information–the Gulf of Tonkin incident was false information put out to get our country involved so that the war industries could profit. And alike this were the defeats in Afghanistan and now Iraq. Yet we are rearing to take on China and Russia now.
This is not the first time we had challenged China and in 1958 it was the Taiwan issue–something we are repeating. It was Daniel Ellsberg who revealed classified documents about the attitude at the time. Plans were in place to nuke China at the time–we were closer to nuclear attack than the later Cuban Crisis but few people knew that until the exposure by Ellsberg. And look at us now–back in the same predicament and you can bet the plans are the same except the situation is even more volatile. China is now no pushover and any kind of misstep by our troops or Navy may well be the end of the earth as we knew it.
The most amazing thing is that Biden would want another 5 billion when there is already a said half Trillion available for war efforts. Our war budget for the year exceeds the total of the War budgets of the next 7 war budgets. China is up there about a quarter of what we spend–at least what they report and who knows–those people are not stupid and last to really show their hand. Meantime they have the worlds largest standing army and Navy. Bill Clinton gave them stealth technology along with other technologies for trade offs and likely some hefty funds for the Clinton Foundation. So China now is Stealth Fighter equipped that can deliver a nuclear bomb as a super jet as far as 5000 mile distant.
This scenario reminds me so much of the Viet Nam war and how I was drafted in 1967. When we were younger we convinced we were doing the right thing–standing up and protecting this country and its freedoms. How simple we were–we trusted those that run the government. But many of the military people that believed in the war at the time have matured–we have realized these wars for regime change and to keep the war industries in profits were nothing more than mass murder campaigns with no real purpose beyond making the military-industrial complex that President Eisenhower had warned would come about.
If ever there were a time that the masses should be protesting the escalation Biden is doing toward instigating more war, it is now. We are getting a scorched earth from Climate issues and Change–but it will be nothing to what a nuclear strike would be.
So where are the peace makers–those Journalists who would denounce the instigation of more war by the Biden group and his callous Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin? The main media certainly does not have protesting Journalists while our war gang is putting us and the planet on the brink of extinction. Shame on the phony press and their foolish stance and avoidance of the most crucial events and the dangers to this planet these insane war instigators are.
Comical–Biden promises to leave Iraq by the end of the year–we are not welcome there anymore. But he says he will leave some advisors. A laugh for sure–those people have been at war since the beginning of the Sumarian roots some 18 thousand years before Christ and after the great flood. Their life is war and to be a martyr and warrior for Allah or whatever god pops up is the greatest of honors.
And Biden wants to leave these people advisors? What a fool. The only reason we were able to overrun their armies was because of our superior technology–not because we are right to invade these countries. But we have not defeated them–they daily sacrifice their lives in their own lands to get rid of us. The problem is Iran is advancing in technology so that there is a terrible toll to remain the big bully of the world. Give their country back Biden–and let those folks follow Allah or whoever and continue their wars as they please.
It is imperative we know why it is so difficult to get to the truth of matters when an investigation is done by an organization with its own investigators. The only way to come to truth in any death situation that may or may not be criminal is to involve outside investigators. The following is a quote from the web site of Democracy now where Daniel Ellsberg is being interviewed by Amy Goodman–newscaster of alternative broadcasting. Daniel Ellsberg, as the older of us know was a whistleblower of the early 70’s who was early on exposing war crimes by releasing “classified documents” that the war criminals did not want released.
As in the case of Snowden and Assange and others that have released documents showing war crimes, these whistle blowers took extra care to only release information that would not endanger innocent people and only expose those that were involved in the crimes. Ironically these very journalists and whistle blowers have saved thousands of lives while the ones responsible for the crimes are responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands and over time amounting to millions of innocent lives while enriching themselves and living as respected members of society–sleeping without conscience.
Bush bunch, Obama, Clinton,group, Biden, and others involved back to the start of the false flag war on Viet Nam when Eisenhower started war all have followed until now the War Machine and its power and profiteering have such grip and control on all facets of politicas and media that it will continue just as we witnessed Trump and now Biden creating a demonized China and Russia in order to keep the caos and war machine wealth intact–all of course at the expense of the tax payer, those innocent souls killed and displaced by the war mongers and of course our young military under direct orders of that Commander in Chief and his minions.
Trump, especially after he made an illegal international murder and moreover knew how to put fear into the journalists daring to expose war crimes. Assange is looking at 175 years, and that young Daniel Hale is already doing 4 years just for exposing crimes that harmed no one but the criminals involved.
I can not help but thing of our own John Daugherty and how he took to the field in his brave effort to stop environmental destruction and help the poor of Peru who are used as slave labor while the Canadian Mining Companies rip resources from that country to enrich themselves while they leave behind a wake of destruction of the lands. Only a few of the wealthy of that country and the police there enjoy the bribes and side benefits–their greed and sell has blinded their vision. But that we see as a norm for those that find themselves in power positions where public is no longer a controlling factor.
I do listen to Amy Goodman on You Tube news as well as RT American news–Rich Sanchez one of my favorite and that half Irish and Scotsman George Galloway who so many years served in the English Parliment. He now has a news talk show called MOAT–a man of great wisdom concerning politics and the Arab world.
This interview would be one that would never be allowed on Corporate News Media–It tell of the demise of two of our news journalists along with 12-18 more innocent lives taken that would have never been known had not Assange revealed the facts. We could now see how that it was common attitudes to take lives in a foreign land and lives were treated as if they were so many cattle.
From Democracy now__a good read to remind us of the times and people that sanction and instigate these meaningless wars for their own greed and power motives.Media Options
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Daniel Ellsberg
Pentagon Papers whistleblower and co-founder of the Freedom of the Press Foundation.
Jeremy Scahill
co-founder of The Intercept. He is host of the weekly podcast Intercepted. He is the author of the books Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army and Dirty Wars: The World Is a Battlefield.
Web-only discussion with Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and Jeremy Scahill of The Intercept. They discuss the Justice Department’s decision to indict WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on 17 charges of violating the Espionage Act for publishing U.S. military and diplomatic documents exposing U.S. war crimes. This comes as President Trump is considering Memorial Day pardons for American military members accused or convicted of war crimes, including former Blackwater contractor Nicholas Slatten, who was twice found guilty of first-degree murder in the deadly 2007 Nisoor Square massacre in Baghdad which killed 14 unarmed Iraqi civilians. He was sentenced to life in prison last December.
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AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report. I’m Amy Goodman, as we continue to look at the Justice Department’s unprecedented decision to indict WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on 17 charges of violating the Espionage Act for publishing U.S. military and diplomatic documents exposing U.S. war crimes. Assange faces at least 170 years in a U.S. prison now.
I’d like to go back to 2017, when Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was CIA director. He talked about WikiLeaks in his first CIA address.
MIKE POMPEO: WikiLeaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence service. It has encouraged his followers to find jobs at the CIA in order to obtain intelligence. It directed Chelsea Manning in her theft of specific secret information. It overwhelmingly focuses on the United States, while seeking support from anti-democratic countries and organizations. It’s time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is: a nonstate, hostile intelligence service, often abetted by state actors like Russia.
AMY GOODMAN: So, that was Secretary of State Mike Pompeo when he was CIA director. Julian Assange later responded to the allegation in an interview with Jeremy Scahill in his podcast, Intercepted.
JULIAN ASSANGE: Pompeo has stated that WikiLeaks instructed Chelsea Manning to go after certain information. That’s an interesting revelation. And then there is his statement that this, i.e.WikiLeaks and its publications, are end now. So, how does he propose to conduct this ending? He didn’t say, but the CIA is only in the business of collecting information, kidnapping people and assassinating people. So, it’s quite a menacing statement that he does need to clarify.
AMY GOODMAN: That was Julian Assange, as we continue our conversation with our two guests. Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg, in 1973, he was charged with violating the Espionage Act for leaking a top-secret report on the history of U.S. involvement in Vietnam to The New York Times and other publications. Here in New York, Intercept co-founder Jeremy Scahill, host of the podcast Intercepted.
I want to put that to Dan Ellsberg, and go further, as we talked in Part 1, about the content of what it is that Julian Assange released, because now it’s all spoken in shorthand, if it’s covered at all in the corporate media, what it is he released, and why, Dan Ellsberg, you so identify with him, based on what motivated you to release the Pentagon Papers so many decades ago.
DANIEL ELLSBERG: Amy, I’d like to correct one little fact, and it’ll help explain the context. You mentioned a couple times that my case was 1973. Actually, it was begun in 1971. When the Times began publishing my papers, they had a Supreme Court civil case, which ended with the Supreme Court saying that the injunctions against them were invalid under the First Amendment. But that was followed immediately by my criminal case in ’71 for having delivered the newspapers to The New York Times, The Washington Post and 17 other newspapers who had come in. So, it really was 1971. Now, the war was still waging at that time, the Vietnam War, and I knew that it was going to continue and get larger in the air, as it actually did. In ’71, it had four years to go, really, including three years, essentially, of American—or two years of American ground combat, but the prospect of American air power indefinitely, if Nixon had not been forced to leave office, and largely because of crimes that he had committed against me.
Now, when Pompeo talks about WikiLeaks as having been a hostile intelligence service, he probably thinks of it that way, and because that’s the way, I’m sure, he thinks of The New York Times or The Washington Post. I have no doubt, by the way, that Trump, in particular, thinks of The Washington Post as a treasonous, hostile intelligence service. You can just substitute the words “critical journalist” or “investigative journalist” for those words, in their minds.
I would go so far as to say, by the way, that the attitude shown by this administration relates to an oath that I took as a member of the U.S. government and, for earlier, the same oath as a member of the U.S. Marines. And it’s the same oath that every congressperson takes. And that’s an oath not to secrecy. And it’s not to failure to criticize the commander-in-chief, which is criticism that this president regards as treason. It’s an oath to uphold and support the Constitution of the United States against all enemies—the Constitution of the United States, including the Bill of Rights, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Especially after yesterday, but over the last two years, I’ve come to see President Trump as a domestic enemy of the American Constitution, just as I saw Vice President Cheney in that role. And I distinguish them a little bit from President Nixon, who indicted me. He violated the First Amendment, by the standards of that time and by the best legal scholars of that time. But I don’t have the perception of Richard Nixon as someone who intended to change the amendments, to change the Bill of Rights, to change our form of government. He violated it when necessary. He thought of the government—the president, in particular—as above the law, which is exactly the way Donald Trump sees it. But I think Vice President Cheney and Donald Trump, while patriotic—I’m not calling them traitors—who wanted the best for this country, thought that the best was not served by the existing Constitution and Bill of Rights. And they set off, I think, very clearly in their minds, to change that, as I think John Bolton does right now, and perhaps Pompeo—I don’t know enough about him. I have no doubt that Pompeo—that Bolton is impatient with any restrictions on the president by Congress, by treaties, by Constitution, by international law, anything else, in his desires for war and his contempt for Congress. So, we’re dealing here, what I’m—what I would call are domestic enemies of the American Constitution, as it exists.
When Julian Assange put out his first leak from Chelsea Manning, with—the one that caught my attention and nearly everybody else’s was a video showing a number of—one helicopter, actually, shooting down 17 unarmed people in Iraq.
AMY GOODMAN: Dan, I’m going to interrupt you, because we have that video, and we want to play a clip. In April 2010 is what you’re talking about.
DANIEL ELLSBERG: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: WikiLeaks made international headlines when it published this video, leaked by, as you pointed out, Army whistleblower Chelsea Manning. The chilling video footage, taken from a U.S. military helicopter, shows U.S. forces indiscriminately firing on Iraqis in the New Baghdad neighborhood of Baghdad in Iraq. The dead included two employees of the Reuters news agency, the videographer, photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen, who was something like 22 years old, the up-and-coming videographer, and driver Saeed Chmagh, the father of four. It became known as the “Collateral Murder” video. This is a clip.
U.S. SOLDIER 1: There, one o’clock. Haven’t seen anything since then.
U.S. SOLDIER 2: Just [expletive]. Once you get on, just open up.
U.S. SOLDIER 3: I am.
U.S. SOLDIER 4: I see your element, got about four Humvees, out along this—
U.S. SOLDIER 2: You’re clear.
U.S. SOLDIER 3: All right, firing.
U.S. SOLDIER 4: Let me know when you’ve got them.
U.S. SOLDIER 2: Let’s shoot. Light ’em all up.
U.S. SOLDIER 3: Come on, fire!
U.S. SOLDIER 2: Keep shootin’. Keep shootin’. Keep shootin’. Keep shootin’.
U.S. SOLDIER 5: Hotel, Bushmaster two-six, Bushmaster two-six, we need to move, time now!
U.S. SOLDIER 2: All right, we just engaged all eight individuals.
AMY GOODMAN: Minutes later, the video shows U.S. forces watching as a van pulls up to evacuate the wounded. They again open fire from the helicopter, killing several more people and wounding two children inside the van.
U.S. SOLDIER 3: Where’s that van at?
U.S. SOLDIER 2: Right down there by the bodies.
U.S. SOLDIER 3: OK, yeah.
U.S. SOLDIER 2: Bushmaster, Crazy Horse. We have individuals going to the scene, looks like possibly picking up bodies and weapons.
U.S. SOLDIER 3: Let me engage. Can I shoot?
U.S. SOLDIER 2: Roger. Break. Crazy Horse one-eight, request permission to engage.
U.S. SOLDIER 6: Picking up the wounded?
U.S. SOLDIER 3: Yeah, we’re trying to get permission to engage. Come on, let us shoot!
U.S. SOLDIER 2: Bushmaster, Crazy Horse one-eight.
U.S. SOLDIER 3: They’re taking him.
U.S. SOLDIER 2: Bushmaster, Crazy Horse one-eight.
U.S. SOLDIER 7: This is Bushmaster seven, go ahead.
U.S. SOLDIER 2: Roger. We have a black SUV—or Bongo truck picking up the bodies. Request permission to engage.
U.S. SOLDIER 7: Bushmaster seven, roger. This is Bushmaster seven, roger. Engage.
U.S. SOLDIER 2: One-eight, engage. Clear.
U.S. SOLDIER 3: Come on!
U.S. SOLDIER 2: Clear. Clear.
U.S. SOLDIER 3: We’re engaging.
U.S. SOLDIER 2: Coming around. Clear.
U.S. SOLDIER 3: Roger. Trying to—
U.S. SOLDIER 2: Clear.
U.S. SOLDIER 3: I hear ’em—I lost ’em in the dust.
U.S. SOLDIER 6: I got ’em.
U.S. SOLDIER 2: Should have a van in the middle of the road with about 12 to 15 bodies.
U.S. SOLDIER 3: Oh, yeah, look at that. Right through the windshield! Ha ha!
AMY GOODMAN: As you can see, this is an absolutely horrifying video. The numbers vary of the number of people killed, from 12 to perhaps 18 or beyond. Two of them worked for Reuters news agency, which had tried for several years to get any evidence of what had happened to their staff, and they weren’t able to, until this video was released. Again, the video taken from the Army helicopter. We’re speaking with Pentagon Papers whistleblower Dan Ellsberg and Jeremy Scahill. You see the men gunned down from the helicopter. I mean, this is much longer, this video. You hear the soldiers laughing and cursing. They are not rogue. They call back to base to request permission to shoot and to open fire. Namir Noor-Eldeen is killed with the other men, but Chmagh is crawling away. And in the second attack on the people below, including the dad with his two children in the van, the children grievously injured, Chmagh, who’s crawling away wounded, is blown up, as well. Jeremy?
JEREMY SCAHILL: Yeah, I mean, this is very similar to when the CIA does these double-tap strikes, where they’ll kill a group of people, and then they come back around and they kill the first responders. That appears to be what we witness in this video, that they’re attacking unarmed individuals, including members of the news media.
I had to read this again–my own post but a paste of the fact that our own Journalists were killed and nothing explained. This is the sick people running our government. Then you have judges sending people off to prison so you see they are nothing more than cronies of the politicians they party with. Shame on them–they are out of touch with the people they purport to serve and they wonder why the Trump group, the BLM group, the Environmental Groups are so angered. A psychologist will tell you that the sick ones are those criminals in charge of these mass murder escapades.
Carbon Dioxide concentrations once increased continue to linger in the atmosphere for centuries. That now for more than a century our coal, gas, and oil burning have increased the CO2 content of the air beyond any measure before in a span of millions of years as best can be determined. Methane, which is 15 times the global warming effect of CO2 lasts about ten years before it is oxidized out of the air. So you see now the glaciers and Arctic ice melting away and releasing huge amounts of methane–you even see great explosions on occasion on the Siberian tundras.
Are we at a tipping point where climate change will be irreversible already. You see the extreme hot weather in Northern Cities and lakes drying up with all the Southwest suffering extreme drought. To add to this, the albeto of the earth is increasing–more ice melted means more dark ocean to absorb more heat and more forest fires both adding the carbon dioxide to the air with Carbon Monoxide and other gases leaving more black surface and more gases that trap heat we can see a reaction that is cascading toward disaster.
You only need look at Madagascar and the thousands on starvation because of the drought–people that formerly survived by their small farms and gardens now hunting cactus leaves or anything–kids with pot bellies–something we see in starving children that eat clay and dirt from hunger.
I do not know how much the phosphate and ammonium and other gases created off retardant applied to fires really adds to the mix beyond terrible health effects. Ammonium does not linger long in the air but is more prone to quick condensation and with the other chemicals such as the cyanide gases do enter the ground waters.
One thing the Chinese are wise to the problem of global warming–they are requiring that 40% of cars must be EV’s by 2030 and the rest hybrids. But will this be enough considering that the Oil, gas and Coal industries will continue to lobby for their use. The Trumpers will say that global warming is a farce–but then go out into the record breaking 115 degree heat of Phoenix and the above 100 temperatures in places never before seeing such temperatures–or visit lake Mead.
Few know that the great coral reef of Australia is half dead–the coral first bleaches white then dies. The ocean flora that depend upon the coral for life also die, then the fish die that feed upon the flora. The coral die because the ocean water temperatures have increased so that they are all on the brink of extinction. Add to this mess are the chemical run off of retardant and fertilizer phosphates and ammonium compounds with whatever secret chemicals are added to this mess.
So the wild land fire fighter is doing his best to Biden’s credit–even crooks have some good in them–he is increasing the wild land fire fighters pah and has hinted at the global warming problem. Maybe he had a visit to Phoenix during a warm spell or has stepped outside his Washington bunker complex and found himself in a sauna.
Whether people wake up in time is doubtful–greed is above sensibility and intelligence is correlated to wealth while those in power are of the idiot mentality. As my Mom would say, they don’t have sense enough to pound dirt into a rat hole. But let them sizzle a bit–yet it may be over the threshold already.
Slainte
Many questions about AI arise–Elon Musk of genius mentality see AI as a future danger to mankind–even more dangerous than the nuclear threat. Certainly AI can already solve problems in seconds that would take the human mind days, even months to achieve. The machine is now even being able to taste and become a social creature by standards of social ideas. Yet its intelligence is such that it well eventually be able to replicate itself–and what will it determine about humans with intelligence many times that of the human brain? We look at cattle as dumb animals–expendable and edible yet our intelligence will be comparably much less to a robot than we are to a bovine creature.
With no conscience except that programmed in and if it is our own that will be scary. Those that gain power have no qualms to wipe out millions of those that do not fit their idea of what humans should be –Hitler is used as an example but look at Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and even Clinton and Obama. They had no qualms to wipe out millions in foreign lands–and of course those presidents of the Viet Nam era another crowd that equaled or surpassed the eradication of people, civilians that did not measure up to their idea of humanity. It continues even to this day with Biden bombing to death civilians as collateral damage to the so called justification of killing terrorists in their own lands.
So, please do not give them our conscience–the experiment where docile middle class college kids were relegated to play prison guard turned them into animals acting much like you saw Derick the cop working over George Floyd–that experiment of kids had to be stopped. Power given to individuals brings out the worse in them and with a robot of super intelligence can you imagine?
This planet is in for another extinction of life. There have been six such events and we may be soon seeing the seventh known cycle of extinction–likely brought on by ourselves or the leaders–just recently you saw Boris Johnson playing Russian Roulette–yet he and his cohorts were risking everyone and an extinction of the planet right there.
There is a likely hood the gods are AI. They can travel in eons of time, have technology that only intelligence many times our own that we can only marvel at. The AI intelligence would have no problem replicating itself and no problem manipulating monkey DNA to make a man or any creature such as the Dinosaurs of past extinctions. They can last though radiation, though drought, through eons of time regardless of climate changes–and according to ancient texts could create a world wide flood to eliminate all life except a few they taught how to escape. So their ability to make intelligent biological life is beyond our own ability to do so–or should we say they could easily have the keys to making a world just as we see it and even in other environments similar to our own.
Would they fool us or be honest. If they have the human mind you have that answer–our best are some of the worst liars of all–our police are even trained to lie and if you look at the political people to lie is to be political. We of the lower cast accept it–though we should not but are powerless unless we should join forces to demand truth. So, yes, God changed his mind a number of times–maybe not as many as Trump or Biden but quite a few that are recorded. Can you believe these gods and the people they created? Whew–not if you check up on them.
It is a thought–you may after all be a product of an AI experiment or project–and then we are ironically creating that which may have created man from monkey.
Those that know anything about the Bible realize that Jesus said he was headed back here to save a few–really only 144,000. The Mormons think it is them, and so do 333 other religious formulae. If he does not show up then God and his bloody intentions would allow the whole of mankind be wiped out just as he did in the flood–or the many other genocides Daddy God commits as recorded in the Holy Scriptures. Daddy carries a big stick and uses it too–our world leaders follow his example too. Right now there are 7.9 billion people hanging around on the planet so if you do the math, your chances of being a chosen one is about one in 7.89 billion or something close to that figure. You have a better chance of winning the California lottery than being a chosen one. But who knows–right–maybe you will make it. I am not spending my dollars on the lottery–I rather enjoy a half cup of coffee–about what a dollar buys these days.
But don’t be surprised if your god turns out to be an AI god–highly possible, even probable.
Anyway
This may save your life.
Some of the most horrible scenes in life that I have witnessed beside having a man loaded into the back of our car as he lay on a small cotton mattress with the bottom half of his body having been run over by a D-8 Cat he had been operating. I was a kid in grade school–the image of his leg bones sticking straight up out of his boots with the flesh dangling and the bloody mattress will be always in my memeory–I did see him in Lordsburg years later when I was in High School–he was selling pencils along the sidewalk –two pads where his legs had been amputated just below his crouch. He survived–I wondered how–I bought a pencil for a nickle but never told him my Dad had helped load him into his Cadillac and I had been with him to witness the horror scene.
But even as terrible was the witness of an accident right there in front of our abode 7 miles west of Lordsburg. The bridge there marks the death of at least one–I don’t know if there were other survivors-there were about nine people scattered out along the highway–moaning and screaming with several kids involved. Dad had stopped traffic and someone was racing into town to inform police and ambulance about the accident. The bridge is a marker not only of the death of our home and Dad’s business but one man. I know he was dead–his head was crushed like a mellon. Erie that the vehicle had the words Untouchable pained on the rear fender. Apparantly the car had veered off onto the gravel shoulder and the driver had corrected too sharply causing the roll over at high speed.
But that was not the only car death accident I had seen–Ted and I had pryed open a door to get a moaning lady out–the driver was crushed and obviously dead from a side collision.
I also had been in an end to end accident in Illinois that should have killed me and my wife. I had been a bar tender in Mt. Vernon while I was attending Ina College–but this was a weekend off and I had visited my work place with my wife but had tanked up. Angie, being a t totaller was assigned to drive home. Illinois has patches of black ice during the winter–so Angie was driving too fast and when I told her to slow down she sped up. Had I known better psychology I would have told her to speed up–she was the type of personality that commanders and certain people have–tell them one thing and they do the opposite out of anger. She survived unscathed–I was found walking out in the cornfield by some fellows that stopped at the accident and turned around. I had suffered a concussion and knocked silly. The car was totally smashed to ruin and altogether amazing that either of us had survived.
In 1899 there were 26 deaths by car accidents. By 1900 there were 36 but by 1930 that death rate had increase to 31,204. The latest statistics linger around 36,000 though in some years around the 60-70s the death rate had increased yearly in the 50,000 per year rate. 1972 killed 54,589 people. That alone is just shy of the amount of Americans killed during the Vietnam War (58,220).
But not only can we attribute the gasoline and diesel vehicles to accidental deaths, we know also that there are health issues and climate change issues. With CO2 continuing to rise, so will we continue to advance toward a threshold–the cascading effect of global warming.
What can and must be done. One thing, the EV and self driving vehicle already is known not only to make minimal mark on pollution with no emissions but also is already statistically 45% reduction in accidents. That in time will reach above 90% as technology increases.
I could see how that is true–my son when he bought another Tesla gave me a ride–hand off the steering wheel at 90 plus mph and he was running up to a slow truck, sure to rear end it–but the car automatically slowed to a proper speed until cars on the left cleared so it could pass. Well he was there to grab the wheel and hit brakes if needed–but that car had brains of its own –a good thing since some people don’t.
So if you value your life, those of your family and friends and are keen not to contribute to the destruction of the planet then you might want to think about an EV with AI working to improve itself.
I had mentioned Climate Change and Global Warming. To understand how delicate the Climate system and life dependency is upon temperature change you need to know how little overall warming or cooling range is.
In fact only 4 degrees lower average global temperature change brought on the ice age. The planet eco system is dependent upon a very small range. Four degree overall temperature change either way can make human life extinct. Temperature changes are up only a bit above 1 degree since the 50’s while C02 levels are up about 1.93 ppm. We do know that 4 degrees lower temperature will start an ice age–but we do not know exactly where there will be the chain reaction started to cause the earth to be uninhabitable with mass deaths of humanity. There is scientific argument as to where the cascading effect would be–some think 2.5 degrees and others believe 3 degree rise. But at certain threshold, the global spike will jump to 8 degrees and more by a cascading effect–more burning of forests due to drought, more ice melting, more carbon in the air and so forth –a system of destruction that takes on its own life.
These days scientists say we will know when the critical temperature is met and that is only a matter of a few degrees. Are we seeing the cascade effect already? Maybe there is no reversing the trend already—Most think we can still at this time pull back. China is doing much–but with other countries and the US being the worst–little is being done or even considered.
Good luck to future generations with our attitudes and ignorance.
Slainte
I should clarify scientists to be Climate Scientists. Many scientists of other studies have little knowledge about Climate–it is like talking to a dog trainer when you need information about a solar system install. You likely would not get good information.
Sciences are the same way–go to the people that study these things on a regular basis and as a career–there you will have the best available information to form your opinion.
Not looking good for even the next decade for the Climate and global warming–but those are informed opinions–do your own research.
The good thing about our Presidents and politicians is that they are transients. The bad thing is that their replacements are parrots trained by the lobbyists and owned by the military industrial complex that President Eisenhower named and warned would be the onslaught and ruination of freedom and democracy.
But my, my the Pope is not transient. Those he subjugates, commands and trains–those , nuns,priests and nurses of the faith. So now we see how the Canadian Indians has suffered genocide at the hands of the Catholic Elders, Priests, Nuns and so called workers for Christ.
At least 750 children graves associated with disappearances of these kids are now attributed to the abuse and murder of these kids –all done under the watchful eye and discipline of the nuns and priests overseeing these Catholic Schools.
The Chief of the tribe had known of these mysterious stories of missing children but his hands were tied–no one would listen. He says by what he has learned there are at minimum more than a thousand Indian children missing and unaccounted for. They expect by ground radar to find more than the 750 mass secret and unmarked mass graves.
The Chief has asked the Pope for an apology–kind of like the Yarnell Fire thing–that old Pope is not about to apologize no more than Derick Chauvin could do except extend his condolences–he is not guilty, nor his superiors, nor will the Pope apologize. When Trump took out the General of an Iranian Army–he is not the one that did it–only his person that guided the drone was. Whew if I were Ivana, I might worry if that fellow thinks someone to be a threat to anything he does.
So you see evil Mr. Pope–why can’t you address it? Some of the nuns and priests are still alive that managed these Catholic Schools. And here we ought to address something–Being Catholic is not evil–it is the action of some people in the church–usually those that are in authority that cause the mayhem –and if I am in charge of a bunch of rogues, then I am a rogue. Well if I do not know they are rogues and find it out then I should come down on them–have them locked away and made responsible for the murders they committed.
The porper thing to do would have this Pope to visit the tribe, bring a hell of a bunch of gold and money and good people in the church to make amends–and there are plenty of good Catholics that would gladly do the right thing.
So, if Mr. Pope is too proud to apologize for the rogues work of serial murders that amount to slow genocide–then he ought to step down–he has failed to recognize, chastise and report these atrocities to the proper Canadian Officials that should take criminal action against the perpetrators. Lets not have Catholic Officials do the work–they might also take orders from the Pope.
Uncanny how truth eventually surfaces and the dead finally get their voices heard for the injustices they suffered at the hands of the evil ones.
Slainte
Again my apologies for improperly written English–The Queen would have a fit should she see her language so mangled. But most of us in America do have bat hides of one sort or another and know the errors–so do I but I seldom re read before pressing print. I might not post some things I do but then that is somewhat cheating–It is better to say your true feelings and ideas than doctor them as a propagandist would. Anyone who might disagree in a free society can put forth an argument as to why my or anyone’s opinion does not coincide with their own. May we disagree with a free flow of thinking. Should I censor your idea of loving Trump or Biden then I am an autocrat –a blue blood god who believe his/her or its farts don’t contribute to global warming the same as the rest of us do. I have to believe that gods have to laugh at the ignorance and mean ways of the people they created–I hope some have the Jesus attitude and are not so genocidal
Let no man judge another until he has walked in his moccasins–well some have foot rot–.
Is it any wonder the people are a subservient class dulled by their very own educational system into a class of serfs with lack luster lives ruled by an elite class they admire only because the main media and the design of the system has kept them under wraps.
So much is phony–designed to have people controlled and thoughtless. I can remember the rote learning that Columbus discovered America in 1492. The Vikings, the Irish, the Minoans, among others had visited this continent and America many times before America showed up–and there were the Indians already here. It is a laugh when you think of how the model of Education comes down from the Prussian design to control the masses.
Walt Whitman said “Resist much, obey little, once unquestioning obedience, once fully enslaved, once fully enslaved,no nation, state, city of earth ever resumes, returns liberty.”
If you understand the cowboy, the miner, the wild land fire fighter, the woodsman–then you understand the people that yearn for that free life–the independent ones whose spirit rises above those autocrats and oligarchs, and minions of the rich and powerful with their politicos and media and educators that profess to represent the masses but do not.
People would do well to heed Whitman’s statement, Eisenhower’s warning and Thereau’s wisdom and learn of the enlightenment of Ghandi and how he resisted the British.
Our main media is busy demonizing the Chinese, the Russian, the Arab and the South American that does not celebrate the Bushes,,Clintons, Obama’s and Trumps and the like, but sees the real designs of these regime changing war mongers. They flock here with wide open borders believing that this is the land of freedom and escape from their oppressors and dictators just to find themselves in cages and that in truth this is a country that has more people in cages than anywhere in the world –25% of the world prisoners yet a measly 4.4% of the world’s population. A society that has created a group under prison mentality of more that a third of its population–too many that are oppressed under a system that can only be managed by tyrants.
And a system that wants to make America Great Again by having the mere 4.4% of its world population interfering as England had expanded for 900 years by all methods of control and rape of resources of other countries. The Canadian massacres, the Australian and American experiments and now the continual harassment of other nations.
Thiis country is abundant in resources and there is latent intelligence on how to apply the resources we have without the continual war economy and system that moves 60% of the wealth to people mostly living off shore and even Bankers who have created the ponzi fiat dollar system in 1913 by hook and crook. At the same time the federal income tax was invented and those today that make the billions yearly pay a measly less than 3% –often 0% of their incomes–including the Zukerbergs, Bezos, and Musk –even Buffet who contributes less than 1% this year and many years paid no tax. Yet they give a stimulus that the working still will see removed from his/her check in what will raise from an average of 25% toward more like 50% while inflated dollars will even eat more of the income value away.
But there are few protests–few that will stand up and say this is not right–just as few at Yarnell would say this is not right.
And more laws will now be made to empower these people to shut the truth tellers up–there will be more examples of the Assange and Snowden variety and more even greater wars to line the pockets of the wealthy industrialists in war productions.
You say well vote them out –you can not vote a single party system out and they are not about to let honest peop[e rule this country.
You might say leave if you don’t like it there and surprisingly many have and are. California is an example–a small country to itself where people are seeking a better life elsewere–even to Texas where the dreaded Bush cronies are in vogue.
There will be a great upheaval and reset not too far in the future. The brown and black races already are beyond 50% of the population and increasing. They have not forgotten the slavery and debasement and past crimes committed against them. Will they be as kind as the white races were to the Indian? And will they understand not all people are of the mind to make America Great Again by invading other lands and societies with wars to make this country great again are right and proper methods.
Meantime watch the fools that run this country already creating a cold war in a big way to increase the war industrial profits and pass more laws to imprison more people for greater control of the masses. Will it continue to work? Somewhere the piper will collect his dues.
Slainte
Religion and my piled higher and deeper makes for a study of the depravity of man–the psychosis of the masses. Those religions of the Abramic nature –descendants of Abraham spit into first the Jews, then the Christians, and finally the Muslims are in the final analysis blood sacrificing based organizations. The Jewish God, the Fahther being the real blood letter at any whim and then even killing his own Son. And then you have the Muslims that are a murderous bunch only beat out by the Christian when it comes to blood sacrifices. Count the Genocides attributed to all–the Jews probably less because they sacrificed sheep and spread blood around–although they have had their mass murders under orders of the Chief.
I will remind you that Truman read his Bible every day before he incinerated about 200,000 civilians in two days and later Presidents had no problem mass killing of millions of Vietnamese citizens and wrecking their homes and crops with herbicides, Agent Orange, Napalm, bombs and the like. All to benefit the Christian based war mongers I should say–and why–because there is profit it war and blood sacrifice is inculcated into the system of religion.
People wince at the thought of the Aztecs taking up young innocents and killing them for a blood letting to appease the gods. Their shit was minuscule compared to our high Priests actions.
The Popes of earlier times (Pope Innocent? none were)) issued a Bull of discovery, meaning every land with people on it were considered non people if they were not Christian. Now these Popes are the Main Pipeline to God, Just as Billy Graham, advisor to several Presidents also has a pipeline to God the blood letter of many including his own Son. Well if you get tired of your toys just smash them–a real budding psycho. The point was and still is to a large degree–if you were not Christian–such as the Native American, then your property and the lands were free to discovery–you could own them since these people were no more than soulless people–the same idea flows today. If you are not Christian, Muslim, or Jew–you belong in a lost class–worthy of death and in the case of the Muslim you even get rewards from Allah for taking out infidels. But then the good Christians are taking out Muslims right now as well under the good Christian leaders–IE Trump who even took his Bible to one rally.
The trouble with English is the language of the 1600’s–the King James version was made in 1608–is that what was written then is a language that no longer means what English of this day means. The Greek and Aramaic languages of Jesus time that the Gospels were written in despite what English Scholars say had also changed over the 1600 years when the 52 church daddies appointed by King James decided they could do a good job of translating an ancient language. Well the fight goes on considering what was said during those times and even who wrote the Gospels not to mention many books formerly said to be Gospel were thrown out. Booty used to be something someone got from robbing a place–now it is quite different in meaning–in just a few years meaning of English words change.
So if you be right you in my estimation would accept anyone’s belief as long as they accept and respect your own. Some of the best beliefs–not religion–are those of the Hindu–20,000year old writing in sanscrit –the oldest language–unchanged but highly complex. And the beliefs are that all souls no matter what they believe deserve respect and are in a manner equally on a journey where actions taken have results according to their merit. Damage someone and somewhere you will be hurt –the Idea of Karma. Peaceful people attract peace, warring and angry people attract war and anger.
At this time we are on the threshold of a war that is unimaginable. People are jaded while we have a President working in war fashion and oppression s of other peoples –namely the Chinese communist types but also the Russian, Muslim and add to that some of the South American groups. Certainly the other Christian leader, Trump, will do the same, perhaps more. These are the sick Psychopaths you have voted in or would vote in if the one had not cheated the other. These now in charge may well be the undoing of the planet–they have no respect for other peoples no more than the early English and French and Spanish had for the people that lived on this land.
There might be some slim hope war is held off and someone of good temper and sane mind will find their way into the Presidency. The idea you can cage and abuse a Tiger or a Bear or a Muslim without retribution is a fantasy. It will only anger that animal and no one knows when it will strike but if these fools do not let up–it will.
Most of us have children –but even if not we want those that follow to have some sort of future.
God and the Gods and Religions have nothing to do to solve it–they are the instigators. The truth is a burden on our own shoulders. What peace there is will only come by what Ghandi did to the Brits that had continued to rob India and make serfs of a people that did not fit their Christian beliefs–protest peacfully but do not allow them to make you a serf.
This new speak and new mind democracy thing is nothing more than an Oligarchy based upon a military industrial complex.economy. The idea is to control and manipulate the world under the pretense that America knows best for everyone while underneath is the essence of a society manipulated into a subservience to the greed of those they adore–though the younger set are now becoming more educated.
There has been a clever power management but as Karma would be, those that have gained by ill means are now seeing many of the abused in protest–very dangerous protest. Still the clever Oligarchs have distanced themselves from the masses in gated communities and the filthy rich even on Islands and distant lands.
They can run and hide until when their final manipulations, greed, power mongering that has led them to their wars for war profits and power, regime changes and foreign interventions to make them great in the eyes of themselves and the world, and finally in their designs to reduce their citizens to the lives befitting a serf.
These minds are indeed intelligent and clever. They have hired enough of the greatest of Psychologists, Psychiatrists, Scientists and Educated Manipulators to their purpose with lucre that the minds of the masses are on the main constrained and more even senseless from drugs either legal or illegal.
Their wanton destruction of the planet goes unnoticed or as we saw the killing of the GMHS crew –attributed to God or merely an accident of nature–a bad roll of the dice. If you feed people bad information or even omit information you can control their perceptions and these forces in power positions have for the most part gotten there because they are the best at these processes of mind control of others.
The odd thing of it all is that so many would gladly and willing play the role of the serf without protest–hand over their freedoms willy-nilly for promises of protection. I do believe many would jump at the opportunity to shine the shoes of Biden or Trump at their feet–they after all have the power to order and have ordered the deaths of many–even by assassination. Yet by definition they are indeed war criminals and destroyers of the eco systems of this planet by their continual war polluting power plays.
Huge amounts of war equipment are busy in the Chinese Seas right now. Thousands of our young Heroes are off surrounding China with more missiles and war equipment being set up in Japan and Islands proximate to China. More propaganda demonizing the Chinese and Russians so that Chinese and Asian citizens are even being mistreated here-or at least the Media says and makes Biden look like a Chinese lover while setting the stage to kill millions of them–and create a war likely to obliterate just about every living organism on the planet.
Where and how does a country get so befuddled as to allow themselves to be led by such a menagerie so that they too have become the menagerie?
Slaiente (Health) It indeed is rare and a blessing if you find it or perhaps have it fully in mind, body and soul.
Did Biden get his 5 billion to pay for the deisal and jet fuel needed in the milllions of gallons to pollute the air and seas with war machinery in the Chinese Seas? The half trillion funds dedicated to war efforts were not enough–but then he is suffering from denentia so did he forget he had those? And this Commander in Chief may well administer nuclear solution and pollution if his Trump announced and his seconding motions is not answered first.
The common man with half a brain can see the folly in all these war and power games of the rich. Yet some willingly spent hours in a line to cast a vote or waste good stamp to vote only to find that the whole of the elections are frauds designed to appease the masses. It in the final analysis is a one party system in which the real power players, many not even of this country, care less who is elected. They own them both and provide the funds to empower them to represent their industries and war machines. But those true rulers did allow 9% of the stimulus monies to benefit the masses–after all the masses pay more than that back in taxes. The other 91% went back to bail out those that are the industrialists or smaller amounts to business if related to the politicians–(some only got a few millions of the 3 trillion bail outs).
I see this as it is. A real scam on those that work hard and want the best–but few will recognize the danger this country is now in. Pass me a beer and turn on the ball games–will those players be weraring Masks like our politicians whose are permament but unseen by the usual bloke.
And be you a Journalist with truth to say and should it challenge the crimes of the Big Brother War and Industry Cronies–go see the example of Assange, Webb, Snowden, et. al. You will be branded a traitor even if you are an Australian. You might even be hacked to pieces and flused down the toilet or suicided if not outright assinated.
Being a truthsayer is a dangerous occupation. But you should do it not to gain recognition (that you will likely get as I just mentioned) but because it is the right thing to do and because you have the duty to those now and those that follow and not a small thing the planet and the eco system now being destroyed.
A note on this–VP Kamala Harris made her Viet Nam visit–the spokesman for the Vietnam government said she is trying to get us to go against China–we see her intentions to turn us against China. Instead he says the Vietnamese will not go along with that stance but want to be at good terms with both sides. The world is waking up to the Harris make America Great again game by demonizing China and Russia into another cold war for profits to the American War Industries. Some are even turning down the bribes offered them to recognize America as the Great Imperialistic Wonder.
Like the English that now ride on the American Coattail and do things to appease the American War Machine (they too profit by the war games), some in this country are beginning to wake up to the actual methods of this country. Our Imperialism, like the English has now about to fizzle.
China is now the big economic power, something our Oligarchs and their politicians have profited from by moving the industries to China for cheap labor. Now they want to add to the profits by creating a cold war–they can not fathom any other industry in this country but a war industry–the only hope that “Make America Great Again” slogan can come to pass These very Oligarchs are not about to bring industries back here when cheap labor is everywhere abroad. Even the pill industries are continuing to move out.
But tell the people lies to get votes–then once in power –see if you can promote more industries that other countries do not want–like the poisonous plastic making industries and more golf courses to pollute the oceans with pesticide, herbicide and fertilizer run off as you use excessive and scarce water resources.
To put this Afghan war in perspective beyond the 248 thousand lives it has cost–these War Presidents and their cronies have been spending 300 million dollars per day over the past 20 years to make up that 2.3 trillion spent there. They and their cronies and lobbyist war companies have raked in profits making them rich at the tax payer expense.
Meantime, an American wage that ought to be minimum $22 per hour to meet 1950 wage minimums is denied even at $15 suggested while the whole infrastructure of this country has gone down hill. That 2.3 trillion that the taxpayer is now responsible for should have been spent on the American people’s interests. But we see how the war crimes industry and those in control that profit from it are able to confuse the public with their propaganda and false rhetoric so that they gain and the public pays.
To my way of thinking, these people are worse than the lowest class of scumbag pedophiles that many have now proved to be beyond the war and civilian murders they should be held accountable for. And people wonder why there are protests at the white house?
This country needs a swamp cleaning that is certain. It won’t be cleaned by another tyrant or the single party operations called Democrat vs Republican. Perhaps someone will run that has an attitude that was similar to that I heard from one Telsie Gabbard. Stop funding war mongering before these fools create a nuclear war–something you do not want your grandchildren to inherit or if we are not all exterminated have to deal with.
This Lloyd Austin and Biden are pulling out of Afghanistan simply because they foresee greater profits in a cold war with China and Russia and likely envision even a ground war between Taiwan and China where they can supply arms. That is even more arms than the billions they have already made selling war machinery to Taiwan.
They are betting that neither China nor Russia will go nuclear. They indeed are risking the total annihilation of this nation and a great portion of the earth if not all. The nuclear hit may well come from North Korea since China bailed North Korea out of the Korean War by driving US forces out of Korea. It is pretty obvious that a ground war against a 2 million army with 8 million in reserve would be futile and another sacrifice of our own soldiers. We sacrifice 2,500 for the false flag war for the Bush clan and ongoing War presidents. How many would it be taking on the Chinese that are unlike the Taliban –well equipped with modern technology and even nukes.
It one thing to be a proud American to stand and protect our country but only a fool would go off 5000 miles and spend billions more on an effort to create more wars–cold or hot.
For those that believed that leaving behind billions in War Machinery was bad planning on the part of Biden and others–it was instead part of the plan. There is great profit in replacing all the war machinery to the Oligarchs in charge. They will grain great profits at the expense of the tax payer–and they will say, after all we are doing good by creating more jobs for the people of this country. Ironically the poor working stiff is made more a serf by removing more of his pay check to pay the losses–the Oligarch as you see will pay no extra but will gain immensely and be sure to have his politicians object to any pay increases–especially a mandatory minimum wage increase.
When will the American People realize they need to throw this whole crowd of criminals out and put people in that represent the people of the land? It won’t happen –the Oligarchs are too clever–own the politicians, the media, the educational system and even the medical and psychological systems to a great amount. You hear what they want you to hear and there is yet to be a government that has advanced into the dark and secret world as our government has that will return the freedoms it has raided or will reform itself to honesty and openness to the people it purports to represent. It is now a representative of the corporate world–well defined as a National Corporate Controlled State parading under the title of Democracy.
I think I left out the most important thing to these elite Oligarchs–they own the finantial system as well since 1913 when the foreign interests took over the banking system under the Federal Reserve Act allowing what we have seen since–a gradual degradation of Fiat. These foreign bankers have been able to create play money at will–lately trillions that they lend to our government for interest. Isn’t that a great Ponzi scheme–and make your own money thereby owning and controlling the wealth of the nation while completely immune to the laws of this nation since these criminals are out there in other countries or riding around in their hundred million dollar Yachts scheming how to keep the American public happy as serfs to their system. They are doing a good job of both except every Ponzi scheme eventually collapses–the winners if they are not prosecuted are those that originated the scheme and in this case have done as many white collar famous criminals do–insulate themselves so that the institution they created is blamed–they can run free in the ocean breeze with plenty gold, property, industries, banks and alternate world hang outs to bask in the sun and admire their self cleverness. The general public is none the wiser and accepts the collapse and fall of the system as an act of God–who in Yarnell has not heard that one?
Slainte==the Queen will be intact–she still has the gold and diamonds of Africa tucked away at home, in Australia and in Canada–and many that would die in any confrontation she should invent with her royal bankers and fellow Ponzi workers.
May the Irish remain nuetral as the Vietnamese have told the war pushing Harris concerning the threats to China.
Hilarious how they busted in the door to arrest a woman practicing Naturalistic Medicine–swat team with guns and instead of just knocking they make a point by using AR-15 fully automatic weapons –the cookie cutter cond0 owners there with repair man picking up pieces of the door. Big Daddy is here in black suits and masks with even sun glasses to hide their ID.
Julian Assange–wrote about these masked raiders–he is now 10 years in prison of a small room in an embassy to keep from being thrown into a gray cell of 10×12 and maybe even water boarded or not suicided as we see so often to those that are a threat to the System Gang of many living in the black operations under federal protections doing the clean up jobs for those minions of the War Industrialists and Planet Polluting Class.
We of the serf class can only stand in amusement at the charade–most of us are fooled by it all–America the Greatest–Make it even Greater–but China has been handed it all by the Bankers, Industrialists and those living on secluded Islands out of the reaches of local enforcers they through their lobbies, laws and manipulations control. Yet by the trickle down method it is the black mask swatman that gets the blame when a black nurse named Breonna Tayor is shot dead by gunfire that riddles her home. It is collateral damage from enforcing drug laws–and since the home was riddled by many guns-which black mask bullet did the murder–well accidental kill it would be described by those in charge–or was it a deliberate murder in truth where a point was to be made to black people or anyone that might be a danger to authority?
It is too easy to hire guns to murder people–and legally when you arm them and give them protection to murder as enforcers of the law. Finally after years of murders, a few of those masked serial murderers parading as swat people are some being held accountable–but not much.
We love our warriors even when they kill our own if they can present justification whether it is real or fictional is not the point. We love our Presidents who can justify torturing Journalists who have revealed the horrible crimes committed under their watch and approval–they say the National Defense is compromised. What a crock–nothing that was revealed compromised National Defense–it did expose the wrong doing and criminal activity from the top down.
What hope is there? The hope comes from the very few Journalists willing to challenge the lies fed the public–and those are getting to be fewer when you see people that expose these criminals in public office being persecuted and prosecuted by fabricated evidence as in the case of Assange.
So do not be surprised if you are a good Journalist when the black masked swat comes busting down your door or riddles your home with bullets because they had information a dangerous dealer was being harbored there.
Do you feel safe in America these days? Well get your vaccine, walk the street as you are told and Big Daddy won’t hurt you nor send the black masked raiders to your door.
Again, my opinion while it is still almost legal to have one.
And for those that did not know, Breonna was shot 8 times–whew she was thought to be a bad and dangerous woman. And do not reach for your cell phone–there is always a swat that can’t tell the difference between a cell phone and a gun.
Well you see how the industries are up to greed==my electric bill came in at $137 and it before this new company was always $37 for winter and $45 for summer months with AC. So even with my running half solar on my Air Conditioner where the most juice is used I am getting robbed. But I suspect they never read the meter with the new company since I have the old.
I will call them day after tomorrow and have them shut their electric off. I have plenty of wattage and enough batteries, and even a couple back up generators if my inverter were to go bad.
I am set up for 110 or 220 so off grid I go.
This is the shame of this country. I did see Karen Fenn speaking about the election and screwed up it is with something like 100,00 votes invalid by law. The system was hacked as well so who knows and whether it screwed Trump out of the Presidency, likely but either way it goes to show that the people have no vote in Arizona for certain. And i have to say Trump would have been a better choice than a half with and crook. I did not vote for either since I would like to see someone sensible and concerned about the people of this nation and not some ass out warmongering or trying to run the world for the oil and other resources.
The point is for about 3000 altogether I have more than 6000 watts of power available–I did add 8 batteries of the large marine type from Wal Mart for a cloudy day or night time.
You see the government could get these items at half what I paid if they bought them in quantity. So yes with labor cost you likely would have to come up with 5 grand to furnish homes where the system would be permanent and no hacker could shut people down., I will have excess power but I see I was being charged for giving it away–I don’t feel that generous to be charged for running their meter in reverse. I had thought $35 for minimum usage would be OK just for back up but instead I will go it off grid.
Thoreau had the greatest of ideas–the less you deal with these government entities and industrial powers the better your life will be. But I do understand that most of the masses could not build their own structure, install and wire up their solar panels and some would not even have the where with all to plant a garden.
But yes this country can afford half a trillion dollars to chase around China and Russia but will not bother to install solar in every home. About half what is spent on war games would be enough to equip all the homes in America with solar considering that many people already have solar and you should if you can afford solar.
I am not an expert in solar–but you can get the whole plan off of the Internet so you do not need to be a so called expert. The guy that wired up some of this trailer was a certified electrician–sad if that is all you know to get certified and leave things like he did. I do a good enough jog–better than his.
The installation of solar panels will help greatly to reduce the CO2 and yes I know it takes energy to make them but then they last more than 20 years and even at 20 are still 70 to 80 % of output usage.
It is a thought and perhaps some will understand the value of independence from a grid as well as the necessity of reducing emissions.
If you wonder why Warren Buffet and his cohort with so many others of the Oligarchy do not push EV’s, Solar electric and green living–I can tell you. Warren Buffet and the usual Oligarch including the Bankers and Corporations have huge stock holdings in these companies. They are not about to downplay coal and oil companies when that would cost them billions in stock profits. And that includes the huge profits they make with stocks and interests in the war industries. The War industries are huge–these people that own them are tied in with the oil companies and friends in other high industries. The five billion added to the already half trillion Congress has set aside for war purposes is just to pay for the fuel the humongous battle ships, air planes, jets, helicopters, humvees, tanks, and various machinery. For example, an Abrams tank gets less than a mile on a gallon of diesel and if you have seen the black smoke coming out the pipes you know the pollution factor is not low. And imagine–the HMS Queen Elizabeth, bless the Brits, burns 169,000 gallons of diesel per day when at full steam. Get this—an F-15 burns more than 23,000 gallons of fuel per hour! And how many of these ships are in constant operation hanging out in the Chinese Seas? God Forbid–you have the US, England, Australia, Japan and NATO over there harassing China in the China Sea not to mention screwing with Russia in the Black Sea. Now you understand why Biden wants the tax ;payer to chip in another 5 Billion. I wonder why he does not go to the Oligarchs and Bankers that put him in office for those monies and while he is at it put Hunter Biden in Charge of one of those ships–it would be a fitting completion of the folly.
So right now the greatest polluter is Biden and his Lloyd Austin who keeps wanting to add to the military budget.
Has your main media mentioned Russia a hypersonic rocket that is extremely accurate out at 600 miles. It is totally undetectable since it goes Mach 7–7xspeed of sound is almost 8000 ft. per second. The fastest rifle bullet goes half that amount and a common .308 round tracks along at less than 3000 ft. per second. The Trillions spent on defense, radar systems and the like are now useless.
These missiles are being equipped on submarines and Jets. So you can imagine a couple subs, each capable of 100 of these parked 400 miles off our own shores can unleash a barrage that would have absolutely no response time before just about every city and military base of any kind were vaporized off the face of the earth. These are facts, but has the main media mentioned this–5 billion added to the military bill is a fool’s effort to entertain the public..
I did notice at the Florida Trump rally the braggadocio and a mention of a Hawaiian Senator by Trump, although he would not use her name–this boy is smart. Well Telsie Gabbard is a person that sees things as they are and as someone wanting to work with sovereign nations, not against them by surrounding them with troops and huge flotillas of war ships. There is some hope of survival of this nation and the planet if we can get someone in the Presidency of such temper and wisdom. But that hope is slim–the juggernaut of the Oligarch military and industrial profiteering system is like a man attempting to replace the Three Mile Island Nuclear Plant with Solar. (solar panels covering the fenced area of the plant property will produce more electricity than that polluting and dangerous nuclear facility–but the media never told you did they?). It is a slim thing but worth the effort.
Slainte–there is a better way and may you wake up in your own bed and not your fall out shelter if you have one or are alive to use it.
About Solar which may help some of you–I was totally ignorant about the use of it and being the hermit type I am, I seldom see those that do Solar–but the wonders of the day are the internet.
When I was at Aguila I had installed solar since there was no electric as far out as I lived. But since then and thanks to the internet I was able to consult with some of the wisest in the work and have since gotten some better at the installation.
I keep getting calls–people pushing solar but these systems wind up slapping you with the cost of a new car.
Right now I have 20 solar panels on the roof and in operation pumping out 6500 watts of energy. Each panel cost me $105 and $200 in shipping. that was abut 2300 and add an inverter at 900 then another 220 down to 110 for refrigerator (double door job) was another hundred and then wiring and connectors about $200 more. The total is about $3600 and the grunt work of hauling those up the ladder and some rail road ties so I could angle them about right 15 degrees to the south is about right for this area.
When I got this last bill of $137 from El Paso Electric–I know inflation so they more than tripled my usual bill that would average about $40 –I did give them a ring to come and remove their meter. The guy did show up and said what will you do with not power? I told him that I am an old range hand–know survival skills and can handle the situation. He locked the meter and shook his head.
Well things have worked wonderfully–the sole problem I had was the hot water heater and I had purchased that thin about a year ago so I did not want to replace it –I think the thing was 600 new but actually I did not need that big of one yet I do not like running out of hot water in the middle of a shower. I looked and the heating elements are 4500 watts and if they both kick in that thing is drawing 9000 watts of power. Well it is not complicated to drain that system, get the socket and remove those elements and replace them with lower wattage elements. Lowes or Home Depo sells 3500 watt elements for 9.99 so that is a $20 fix I had to make. Works fine now except the water is hotter so I may have to turn them the temperature level on the hot water heater down a bit. It s;should be slower getting up to temperature but if so I did not notice.
So for what they wanted $26000 for I have done for $3600– It runs a 3/4 220V deep well pump, an oversized refrigerator, a constant running air conditioner with 1/2 horse 110 V. motor, lights, TV, Computer, and electric coffee maker all on at once. So don’t hesitate to do your own if you have any inclination at all.
And now the rest of the story and why I am so disgusted with these so called politicians that say they represent the people and the environment. They are damn liars if they are not pushing to put almost free electric in every home (almost free–these systems are good beyond 20 years) but instead are pushing a grid that is a rip off to profit the industrialists whether it be dangerous nuclear plants (used only because they want the plutonium and nuclear bomb side products from the processing to make fuel) or these coal burning plants that pollute the air. It is not that so many of these politicians are ignorant–it is more that they are greedy and power hungry to stay in office. Yet there are a few that do have common sense and would serve the people not the greed and power and war profiting Oligarchs.
In all fairness–I did add 8 Wall Mart Marine batteries for night time or cloudy day use–You would do better to get surplus lithium batteries for around $150 apiece–those last maybe 10 years and most of the used ones have 80% of life left. Mine are wired to 48 volts –the inverter charges them at that voltage which is more efficient. The voltage coming off my panels is 157 volts but usually above 240V–It is cloudy out there but they are still working and charging batteries at 48.7 despite my refigerator, computer and air conditioner on. So the Growatt 5000 inverter tells you all on a screen kind of like a Tesla does on its screen. You can input DC above 500 V if you desire and why I series wired my panels for higher voltage. Where you can run 220 V motors, you use half the wattage of 110 V motors of the same horsepower. Why I installed a 220V submersible pump instead of a 110V.
Well you do not need a bat hide to figure things out. I do believe had there been internet available I would not have bothered with the dim wit and institutionalized educational system–another profit and control scam. You can get the whole damn PhD thing on line from even these scammer Universities or not bother and learn anything you want by your own research. My opinions–some revere their bathides–Joy found mine blown out in the weeds–maybe I should have hung them on the tent wall to admire my perseverance in a world of bullshit.
Slaiente and may the gods of the Irish or your own perception of god and angels lead you on a path of peace and wisdom.
China had bragged some time ago that they could alter the weather. That is done by feeding electrons into the stratosphere with undulating frequencies. The effect is to move Jet Streams so that it is possible to create drought in one region and flooding in another. Of course the US has been experimenting with the technology through such megawatt devices in places like Alaska and Peru. HAARP as it is called was also designed to create a system whereby radar could be reflected for greater distance–at least the explanation the government gave while denying that it has anything to do with weather.
China is not so dishonest–they tell it like it is as a warning to those that might want to mess with their own climate. Their huge power dams and increased power from nuclear and solar sources for electricity makes me believe they are actually using their system. But apparently it is working too well concerning moving more water into China–the streams also affecting Europe that way but depleting water sources for the US. They may have to back off some for their own sake.
Yet carbon dioxide has increased greatly since the 50’s. By testing the ice down to two miles it is well known that CO2 levels were more or less level near an average of .6. Since the 50’s they have risen from a half percent to nearly 2%–the reason for the alarm and for seeing 100 F temperatures in the Arctic and such that a one degree temperature rise over earth has practically melted all the Arctic ice.
You can see that the Chinese are wise to this, therefore mandating EV vehicles by 2030. The US on the other hand is too heavily invested in oil and the use of a Military and War Industry that depends upon huge volumes of oil products. A big ship will burn 160 thousand gallons of diesel per day and a F-15 fighter jet burns 16,000 gallons of jet fuel per hour. So you see that the Military and the profits therefrom would be greatly diminished if the US government recognized their causation of copious amounts of CO2 and global warming.
Now, of course, with the new rockets and jets undetectable and flying beyond Mac7 the trillions spent on star wars, radar and NORAD protection are all useless–the people in Washington can be vaporized by Russia or China before they can even get out of their seats to get under their chair to put their head between their legs–something we had as a school drill as a kid. The new nukes are way beyond the power of an ancient A-Bomb. Now they are a thousand times as powerful or more if the Russian type mother of all Nukes were used.
This all begs the public to understand why so much is being spent on the Military when that money could be put to improving this country and even do what Musk is about to do for Hong Kong. He is about to build a solar array that will electrify the entire city. There are 7 million there and soon they will have cheap electricity so even the poor will be able to plug in. It will reduce the smog level and with the new EV vehicles people will be able to breath with minimal pollution.
Musk when queried said the project is a simple one–nothing complex at all. I would have to agree–I knew nothing about solar, yet with my limited brain put up a system that even this PC is working off of. The asses that tripled my electric bill did me a favor–goaded me into putting those panels up on this trailer and now I am completely free of their system and will spend that $137 on something besides contributing to some CEO 30 million dollar a year salary–or the million dollar bonus he/she gets.
Musk informed the government that if you shut 3 mile island down and instead covered the about two mile square fenced area with solar panels and storage units, then you would produce more electricity than those polluting Uranium plants are producing. But we well know that the reason scientists put in these polluting radioactive dangers was so they could produce the plutonium for nuclear bombs. They knew that there were better and clean and green energy methods–but security and profits according to their thinking comes from more nukes to scare hell out of the world.
If you can keep people in isolation with masks on you will be able to mitigate protest rallies. But the down side for the political greed seeking idiots is that the people also have access to internet and can share knowledge–do some fine investigating of their own and dig up facts the politicians and their puppeteers do not want the common folk to know.
The new generation is coming to realize you can get a damn good education of things you will never be told in the government controlled educational systems. Those young ones are the hope to save the planet. I have many grand sons and a few grand daughters. They are an intelligent group and very interested in the future of their generation. I have good hope they and all those young ones like them will be able to take the reins away from those fuddy duddy lame brained idiots we have running this country now. But I see they also have bred such types as Hunter Biden into the world–future leaders of that type that have not been exposed or that are not sure if the Russians might have planted that lap top or if it was his lap top. His ability to lie and not be detected ranks with that child molesting Prince Andrew.
But there again new laws are being passed so the truth Sayer will be branded a traitor and tried for treason or suicided if he has too many goods on those of the ilk of Prince Andrew, Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump and the many other child molesting people that were regulars on the Lolita Express and the island of child trafficking.
But they are all billionaires and own the political, judicial and legistative systems–even the Presidents past and present–certainly since the Viet Nam War. And now that every war we have fought was lost, we are out to challenge some really big powers. Do you believe the idiots that are using threats instead of diplomacy will change? No they will not–their million dollar retirement estates depend upon the War making.
It remains to be seen if in the end global warming or nuclear warming will win out and change their living in mansions on a huge estate and entertaining hundreds of celebrities to living in a cave or an underground city if they have not been vaporized with the rest of us.
But always look at it the Hopi way or the Laguna way. The changes are always for the good and the gods and old Mother Earth herself sometimes had to do the clean up when the cycle demands.
Slainte and may the Irish gods and South and North Ireland unite so they all remain neutral in the standoff against China and Russia. Some need to survive being directly nuked.
I should have mentioned the ice testing dated back 700,000 years–in all that time no negligible change in CO2 levels until the small span since the 50’s where the results of industry have sky rocketed. The US has been the top contributor–not only of pollution locally but globally.
People think it silly to not use plastic bags and EV cars–yet if we quit most of the plastic use and stopped dumping tons and tons of toxic retardant and other chemicals upon the environment the earth and its life might have a slim chance to survive and that even with the idiot war mongers in office at the present time.
Common Sense–where is it? China has an army of 2,185,000 active military personnel, 8,000,000 in reserve, and 385 million available if needed to fight any war. They are not sending them 5000 thousand miles away to the Gulf of Mexico or the Black Sea yet they have a Navy greater than our own. They are keeping their army at home and their Navy in the China Seas. China spends a fourth of what we spend on War efforts and so called Military defense.
Russian spends less than even China, yet she does not need to spend a big bundle on war efforts. Her deployment of the Mac7K+ system of nuclear missiles and a few more upgraded submarines is enough. This technology has negated and made obsolete trillions of dollars of so called defense spending. One submarine posted a couple hundred miles off the American coast can unleash 100 missiles all armed with nukes that can have no possible defense against–they would all hit their targets allowing the recipients but a few seconds to realize their demise–probably a good way to die if you have too go by war–vaporization.
The USA has a military of 480,000 troops. Unlike China and Russia who keep their armies at home, ours are being scattered about the world, now about 125,000 reported to be surrounding the 2,185,000 Chinese troops with 8,000,000 more on reserve and of course another 385 million they can call up if needed.
Now of course, Russia and China have been doing war maneuvers together even though China does not need Russian troops in a ground war. and Russia with its technology and an active military of a bit over 1,000,000 troops and another 2,000,000 in reserve. By the way, I was placed on active reserve for ten years after discharge–meaning I was due to train every year for ten years while on reserve and I have to believe these reserves in China and Russia are people that have already served and then placed on reserve. They are battle ready people with some already hardened by war.
So you have a puny army of 125,000 men or so pitted against two million on their own turf. They have another 8 million in reserve in case they by some quirk of luck would need them against 125,000–and that 8 million is not 5000 miles away from home–they are at home. Well we forget that England, Australia, Canada and even Japan are willing to chip in a few bodies to the war against China. So maybe another 100,000 willing Leaders to sacrifice some of their armies. But even 300,000 troops against 10,000.000 readily available troops is a 100 to 1 ration.
The odds are not favorable–especially since all the past five wars we have fought on other peoples turf were looses. We lost to China during the Korean war and Viet Cong drove us right out of Viet Nam. Afghanistan is a lost cause after 20 years of our military expertise and for over a year the Iraqis have asked us to leave a country we are leaving worse than when we started to make these regime changes.
God forbid the media inform people of the facts. I asked my daughter did she get any main stream news (she is pretty news conscious on main media) about lord Austin the war secretary being a 4 year board member of Raytheon? She said no but that is a conflict of interest. Well certainly not a conflict of Austin’s interest.
The thing over Taiwan nearly went to nukes during the conflict over that Island in 1958 when we had planned to nuke Shanghai. Daniel Elsberg, like Assange was charged with espionage for revealing classified information. That information could ruin a Presidents bid for reelection just as Assange’s information had to hurt the Bush and Clinton Clan reputation if that is possible.
Is Biden like old Ike (Eisenhower) figuring to nuke China? Only an idiot would do what he and his military advisor war lord Floyd Austin are doing unless they think nuking China would be the alternative. Eisenhower was a war hero and became President after taking credit for the WW2 destruction of Germany and the German army. He undoubtedly would have used nukes had not China backed off from shelling Taiwan.
Wikipedia states “both the 1943 Cairo Declaration and the 1945 Potsdam Declaration have reaffirmed in unequivocal terms China’s sovereignty over Taiwan as a matter of international law.
So why is the USA suddenly changing like the chameleon it has been and its Presidents continue to be.d? Well of course, Ford, GM, and missiles, and this computer, and just about all technology depend upon chips. Ford and GM can’t even make cars without them. Taiwan is the only country in the word that can make them properly and efficiently–it took ten years for their technology to develop and even China was unable to do the job due to the problems that arise in such technological and delicate work. Sorry Biden–with China’s Cheap labor and highly technical expertise that did not succeed in manufacturing chips do you think 50 billion might build a factory that is suddenly going to be successful?
So you see this war effort is a fool’s mission by even a cowboy’s horse sense. To my view, I am looking at a city slicker con man as President and a war lord Secretary of Defense cohort that know in fact this is a game to get a cold war started to justify now about 3/4 trillion in war efforts that will balloon since Russian is again being portrayed as the enemy.
I do believe if the public knew the facts and we had a honest media that demonstrations like the Viet Nam era would break out and a demand to get rid of the crooks in Washington would prevail. Those monies to war would be going into cheap solar power, new EV technology and distribution, environmental clean up and helping those that need help–not these bankers and Industrial giants in war industries. Forget bringing industry back here–they will never do it with these international companies that can get cheap labor and big profits manufacturing in China, Viet Nam, Indonesia, Mexico, etc. That is a political pipe dream.
Talking to my daughter whom had worked as a manager in Phoenix for the very Pharmaceutical company that is leaving West Virginia to make their medicines in China–she said no there was no main news said about that. She had quit the company about a year ago. That is the kind of information that hurts Presidents and politicians that keep bragging that they are going to bring jobs back to the US while meantime even pill makers are moving out for the cheap labor of China.
And maybe you understand now how little those in charge of governments can be trusted–especially when they are in bed with the people that have the big industries and war manufacturing firms while they claim to represent the people.
I for one am like a Chinaman in a way–only I am American but I, too, believe our troops and interests belong at home
Slainte
There will soon come a time that those that think as I do will have a knock on the door to let them know they have been selected to be sent to a reeducation class.
The public in general is already educated by the predetermined system. But to break that norm should you be a Professor or of a certain class means the loss of tenure and ostracism. Those may not have the opportunity of reeducation–instead suffer the treatment of a traitor or even a truthsayer such as the Journalist who feels it his duty to inform the people of the truth when those in power are in fact insolent and greedy criminals who care less about the people, but in truth are in position for themselves and those rich families that provide the millions to put them in office.
I am a loss to see how many people are fooled by these people that go into office poor and retire as multi millionaires. They have shut down all the small business concerns–salons, restaurant, mom and pop businesses, small farms and ranches, and the like. This while the large industries gain from it and instead of bankrupting are bailed out with more funds. Gates will be able to buy up farms cheap–and bankrupt small business will be absorbed by the big industries–and in the final analysis–the rich have gotten richer and the poor poorer. But the poor still cast their votes for the powers that they believe are representing them. Were this one party system not get votes and someone of an honest desire to represent the people be written in then the message would be clear–the people read these clowns but continue to hope for reprieve.
If you study such things as the French Revolution you will see that it came about just as money continued to be printed and devalued. The rich did not confiscate gold and silver but you were sent to the guillotine if you used it for money ore excange for goods. This government before confiscated it at 22 an ounce and then revalued it at 32 an ounce–another way to confiscate wealth. But this money printing such as every autocratic nation has done to devalue currency –something Venezuela had done recently as Hugo Chavez drained the wealth and at the same time the British Bank kept the billions in gold from being returned to Venezuela–people were taking a wheelbarrow of paper money to the store and worried more about the wheelbarrow than the money in it.
You can not print money out of thin air and have nothing to back it and expect it to hold value. Every big empire that has in the end come to decline has had a history of devaluing money. But those great PhD minds running the banks here think they can print trillions in paper and trillions more and expect that there will not be a cost to the people for this? Pennies were made of zinc suddenly–the copper in them was worth more than the penny, Silver was removed from dollars because the dollar was depreciated so much that people were melting silver down because it was now much more valuable than the dollar, and then gold was taken off the market as money because foreign countries were demanding gold for their worth-much-less dollars–and in reality the gold purported to be in Fort Knox is not there, else Nixon would not have had to stop backing the dollar.
So right now the inflation is hitting people hard while jobs are scarce except those at Micky Dee’s. At inflation rates it is well known that in order to equal the same minimum wage that was in the 80’s it should be $20 per hour yet you have a President and Congress that do not want even a $15 minimum wage. Yet on minimum wage people can not afford housing and the bare minimum of essentials–food, electric, water, fuel, and taxes.
So yes, more protests, more arrests, and Fema camps for those to loose their homes, jobs and hope. There will be a polite name for these things–reeducation camps and perhaps servitude jobs such as the CCC camps of the 30’s where a bare sustenance is allowed for planting trees and arroyo dams in burned out forests.
Keep your fire fighting jobs and federal jobs–like the past depression I suspect those will be mostly intact. Good reason not to complain or point out the skullduggery in those offices if you have family. Whistleblowers will not be tolerated on a more strict basis than even now due to job scarcity.
Yet there will always be those that are willing to keep their integrity over security and those who cherish freedom enough to stand up for human rights and what is right. The earth is suffering so tree planting might not be so bad–I have done a little myself except not under forced labor.
Slainte
As a psychologist I would tell you that we and all humans lie although there are certain levels of lies and those that are so addicted to lying that they are labeled pathological liars. Politicians more than often are in that class but we from birth are inoculated with so much untruth that it becomes our reality. Hitler did say if you tell a lie often enough it will be believed. What he did not add is the liar in time often also believes his own lie. We see that those in high places, rulers, religious leaders, educators, elite and people of secret societies are as unaware of reality and truth as those of the lower castes.
It takes a diet of truth to free the soul and mind although physical independence may never be realized until death on prison planet earth.
With a keen study of religion and governing powers we see that there is an unseen dimension that entered earth a number of thousands of years before 1500 when the first book of the Bible was written. The earlier religions speak of the Gods with superhuman powers that came down and taught men how to farm, the sciences, laws, and war making and set up monarchs and religions and leaders. These dimensional beings have had many different names –angels, demons. reptilians, fairies and the like.
And the unseen and seldom appearing gods that can manipulate wave forms so as to appear, shape shift, be on radar or heat seeking detectors, or even fleetingly seen physically in craft or in presence generally remain as unseen gods manipulating humanity with use of their chosen overseers and elite enforcers. They feed off of the master/slave methods and regard humans as a form of cattle for manipulation. Their methods and controls are in the realm of evil–a thing somehow imparted and infused into mankind since their arrival.
Before the archaeologist will tell you people lived in peace with each other in the freedom of life as hunter gatherer populations.. Yet once the appearance of these superhuman “gods” unseen and demanding worship of the slave mentality they created, life of the human species began to entail the greatest of evil–including though out history people such as our example of Hitler–yet our own leaders under the guise of Christian and “good” men are guilty of atrocities even worse than that mind controlled beast was. Yet these leaders retire in their comfort and gated zones while the common bloke admires and worships them and the unseen forces they had been manipulated with.
As a person, an underground miner who has been thousands of feet below the ground in the dark recesses of the earth where there is total darkness, and having experienced death in at least two instances only to come back to life for more short time that we all have–I conclude there is only one way to battle and perhaps constrain these evil and unseen forces–that is to open the mind with a diet of truth–alert to the reality that life will present a lie so that the human life is in the greatest ream of master/slave or god/human association with little hope the human would have any effect at breaking the chain.
Footsteps of mankind in woven sandal prints in antediluvian times –even some in geological formations that date to hundreds of thousands of years ago–some even millions bear witness to the times of ancient humans. The evil imparted to our minds –a scheme of evil forces that for most remain unseen.
Slainte fear the Leprechaun if you dare, fear more to believe the lies of the unseen evil forces.
Of great concern is the massive effort of government to censor truth and truth seeking and revealing journalists. The effort has worked for the leaders and puppets of the corporate and oligarchic world controllers. To expose their lies and evil deeds is the last thing they want the public to know–as of the killing of the 19–keep the operations clean in the public view and most certainly the leaders of operations that are suspect. Especially Journalists that seek and reveal only truth must be censored and demonized since their revelations are most apt to expose the hidden crimes of these officials.
Secrets held in any organization make that organization suspect. When in fact these officials are supported by the very toil and blood of the citizen so they set on their fat asses looking down their noses at the poor working stiff laboring long hours to support these loafers they forget that the higher up the ladder they go the more their asses are public exposed and scrutinized. Yet they make ever effort–redactions, black out of material, manipulation of cohorts and courts, outright false statements under the guise of professional wisdom, jargon, threats and media presentations in uniform.
However, credentials, statements, and “expert” opinion will always be questioned by the good Investigator and Investigative Journalist. That is, unless he is employed by the body he is investigating. That would be conflict of interest in most circles–but it was not in the State and Forest Service terms of investigation. The true Investigator and Journalist will want to know what is under those many pages of redaction, why people are threatened if they talk in a society of freedom of speech, and many questions such as in the case 19 deaths why such people as were in danger could be allowed to have bosses that continued to break common sense safety rules–even to the point of playing the job as you would a game of Russian Roulette.
And the higher up those entities that rule are being exposed for their lies, the more they sic their police and army and venom of lies against the ex poser Journalist and whistle blower. It is quite a sick society when you see those that exposed the criminal actions being punished while the criminals run free and people even admire these felons. I know Biden has to have read the fact that if you tell a lie often enough it will soon be believed. His son’s denial of the lap top–a Russian Agent could have left it there for repair–I don’t know and Daddy wasn’t getting 10% of anything from those millions we were getting under secret trade deals for our daddy’s good influences in business deals.
Then is it any wonder a cowboy is in confusion as to why one would even bother a trip to town to vote for a system that is so corrupt but so efficient at lies and propaganda that they can garner support and have people thinking they really have a say in who they would worship.
These shape shifters and half breed alien types have had their blue blood deleted and their shape shifting abilities degraded over time. One wonders how the public can be so bumfuzzled. (meaning so mind fucked).
I did buy 10 more panels from that guy in Gilbert so will head over there next week to pick them up. They sold me 250 watt panels for $50 each so 10 will add 2500 watt of power to my system and I will add either 4 more wall mart batteries or try to find a golf cart battery 48 V. I want to put those ten on the west side so I catch that afternoon sun which I am loosing. I run good but close at night with the fridge and the days that were cloudy.
People do not know–but if you go on ebay and look at that Gilbert Guy’s store he has thousands of solar panels for sale cheap==some as low as $40 for 250 watt panels. What I have done for about $4000 over time and good for 20 years that would cost around $26000 to have done. These solar companies are getting 6 times or more than what these things are worth and they are not that hard to install. It is a racket and this damn government does not want people to know how cheap this can be done–they want to keep the oil companies in business. If you have cheap or free energy you would not have to work so hard to pay for gas, oil and heating. I intend to eventually get an electric vehicle to use for town trips off solar charging. You can always keep a clunker around for long distance gas driving–
Here they are getting twice or more the price of electric vehicles as China sells. The shits in office want to make sure import duties are so that the oil companies stay wealthy. A chinese car that will go 650 miles and is decent costs less than 25 grand and here same car is worth 45 grand. These politicians are not for the people but people keep voting and tolerating the bullshit. With cheap energy you are no longer the slave–those EV’s are simple and last forever–mostly all needs replacing is the tires and with batteries improved they are cheaper and lasting up to 20 years.
I will get a used one sometime but now people are wising up and with gas going up again and the restrictions on imports from china the EV market is still outrageous in this country.
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That letter was sent to Joy–It might get a few to thinking–there is a better way to a cleaner environment and the ability to get out from under a system that has devolved into a serfdom. Prices are going up so the more independent you can become the better. The politicians can’t be more obvious in their loyalty to the corporate enterprises–anything such as cheap solar that will reduce your 6 month per year obligation to work for the feds and feed corporate and oil and banking profits before you get your depleted check will be discouraged by the powers that be. The whole family is having to strive to make it while two people on top this past year made more money than the 40% of our lower class labor people. Yet they paid less than 3% tax if any. This is not looking to me like that the politicians represent the interests of the people.
One evil I will address is the use of slave labor–those unfortunate people in prisons that are paid a dollar a day to risk their lives because they have no alternative. They are among the people that had committed low level crimes–certainly they do not deserve to be subjected to work that will jeopardize their lives.
But the other evil is that as long as the state can use people in that was as slave labor, they will continue to debase the wages of the man and woman who work fire fighting as a livelihood and career. We are no better than the Chinese and other totalitarian systems that continue to abuse the working class.
It is well known that Nike was paying such low wages to Asians so they were making something like $3 a day and long hours at the line of tedious work. Nike was able to produce shoes that cost them only a few dollars to produce, yet selling their product for more than a hundred in many cases. The company was profiting into the billions while their workers were living in small cubicles worse than a jail cell except they had some kind of tv or radio and perhaps no guard to antagonize their existence.
I would not be a prison guard and brag how I was helping those women and men to improve their life while risking it for nothing and robbing the hard working fire fighter of his dues because he is now competing with slave labor. On the contrary, I would see that individual as a perp–certainly a nincompoop. Instead I see these idiots bragging on how they are helping the slave prisoner and society as a whole. They should get rid of those guards and replace them with trusted prisoners since they could get the trusted prisoner to do the job of a guard at slave wages–even for less than a dollar a day and baloney sandwiches I should think.
We do need to free up more time for the worker–that is how people invent and come up with great positive advances to help all. But to use slave labor and cause depletion of wages of people already working at poverty wage is the very nature of evil.
Slainte
And Charlie–How do you free up more time for the wild land fire figher?–Ans> give them a living wage congruent with the dangerous and unhealthy work they do. Then they will be able to help their families, their wives can stay at home if they please and when spare time is available they can use it privately instead of having to work second jobs.
Do what is right because it is right.
The ongoing sad case of Donut and thanks to WTKTT for following. I did watch the video and certain that Donut says the crew was asked to come down. And that might be they were ordered down. Maybe after his finding Christ he could come forward with a little more truth–you be the judge on that. Certainly his heroine addiction and other problems could have distorted his perceptions and whether he was using at the time of the incident is unknown. However, it seems he was depleted that day from partying and had been assigned to be a look out in place of someone else because of his condition.
You have to sympathize with his position but his actions from the beginning were deceptive–something I do not think he is capable of processing how his deception had in effect hindered the truth of why those men were killed and the whole of overall deceptive actions has put future crews in danger. He does want to cover for his bosses who accepted him into their crew when he truly was a border line case to be a wild land fire fighter. But going by what Gary Olson says, they need bodies so that qualifications might easily be overlooked. seeing how prisoners with little or no wild land fire fighting experience are put on these fires, it is no wonder that the crews so often get killed. And looking back at some of the deaths it was sometimes prisoners that were killed.
Donut also stated that the GMHS crew were attempting a burn where they were at but it was not going well due to retardant dispersion –and I would add that where they were at in the boulders the fire was having a hard time to advance due to sparseness of vegetation. He also mentions that the fire was at the north end of town while the wind was still moving to the North East and had not turned. The only way that fire could have been at the North end of town would have been because burns were going on there.
You see that fire went down that canyon from the top of the mountain on the north side of the grader and out about a half mile. Donut was stationed at about 300 yards NE of the old grader and perched on the rocks of a small hill. Joy and I were on the two track watching the fire advance with a steady wind behind it driving it toward Peeples Valley in a NE direction and away from Donut’s position. By the time we had arrived at Foothills drive that fire was already burning the houses just up the street a quarter mile from where my old station wagon was parked. I had estimated that even though I had lost 40 minutes of time to return and get Joy off the two track where she was about to descend and they soon after would descend to their demise, there should have been an hour by the time we arrived at our exit point. That fire was at about 3 miles advanced toward Peeples Valley and away from Yarnell altogether.
However, I know how quickly winds can change and the velocity that can happen due to cold air higher in the mountains from a storm–something we were watching since 9 that morning to the NE and as Donut said in the area of Prescott. Prescott is some 35 miles to the NE but that storm was likely closer and as he said 60 mile an hour winds which would bring the colder air down very quickly–much sooner than he expected, although those bosses would know these things–that is if they were worth their salt which in this case they were not. Those men were killed outright due to negligence, stupidity and the disregard for the safety procedures regarding dropping off into a choke full of dry tangle and almost impassable dehydrated manzanita growth. Willis had said a regular citizen could not get though that but wild fighters could–well they did not yet fire fighters and bosses in that area were well aware of how dense and impassable that canyon was. That begs the question why would they “ask” those men to drop into a box canyon trap knowing that the winds were due to reverse in an instant and at any moment.
Certainly those men were killed by negligent homicide yet the whole matter was covered up. And Donut, despite his pitiful situation of being the lone survivor, contributed to and continues to contribute to the lie that jeopardizes the lives of those he professes to care so much about. And if you want Christ involved, this good man would tell you to tell the real truth of why those men are dead and hold the culprits that caused the deaths responsible so measures can be taken to make future fire fighting safer and therefore even save lives.
I do have sympathy for this man. And it is well known a dope fein will steal from you and then help you hunt for the what you have lost. Donut is helping us hunt and in his case does not even know it.
For a little better perspective–that fire came down to the North East of where Donut was doing the look out thing. It passed his position about a half mile to the north of him and had burned about 3 miles to the NE from his position and directly toward Peeples Valley when we were on the two track where the GMHS crew went down into the death canyon. It was some after 1 PM–Joy would have the exact time–and that fire was located approximately 6 miles North of Yarnell. So there should have been ample time for our excape which in the final analysis was a matter of only minutes–less than ten or we would have been killed. I know now that burns were being made in the Shrine area for certain–I saw those being done on film that took us time to verify by actually comparing what we saw on film to the spot we had known–despite that we did travel to Peeples Valley to see if there might be an area similar to the Shrine area with the same look alike rock foundation along the road so we might be mistaken. We were not but wondered why they fire fighters would deny that they were doing burns in that area. The facts were that they had set those burns but were fearful that they might have contributed to the demise of the GMHS crew. Later we learned that not only were burns set there but also in other places also. There in fact is no conclusion as to whether those burns in fact had anything to do with the killing of the GMHS crew because all that information was hidden from investigators. The film was removed from You Tube as were the documents declaring the area where the men died as a restricted area–signed and sealed on June 16, 2013 some two weeks before the burning of Yarnell. That FS document was on line but deleted as well. This whole ordeal was handled as if it were a classified National Secret Event with mum orders and threats that you could only believe CIA operatives would commit. And the results leave a bad taste in the mouths of people that care about improving safety for the heroes battling these fires.
“This year’s wildfire season is predicted to be another severe one. From January 1 to May 13, 2021 there were about 20,780 wildfires, compared with 14,890 in the same period 2020, according to the National Interagency Fire Center. About 547,000 acres were burned, compared with 324,500 in 2020.”
That copy and paste is about what the country faces and now the Feds are considering making permanent wild land fire fighting crews for all year wild land fire fighting. Global warming and droughts are causing this increase, glaciers are melting and we are seeing 100 year record heat waves in the 100’s in places that have never before recorded such high temperatures.
So yes it is alarming that incidents such as we saw at Yarnell are arranged so there is not culpability and no change when lives of these young heroes are at stake. Certainly we can sympathize with survivors–but truth should be mandatory when lives are at stake. And let us not forget the American taxpayer foots the bill and deserves the truth–not lies, mum orders, failure to give FOIA reports, and bullshit to maintain reputations that were involved in failed operations and deaths.
Some of you will like this post. Joy Collura is destined to be listed as one of the known heroes concerning exposing the truth of the GMHS ordeal and improving the safety procedures going forward in fire fighting work. There are many others here as well and to be a wild land fire fighter is a tough job only a few could do or are even willing to do. Joy did certify as a wild land fire fighter after her years of incessant work on the causes of the deaths of the GMHS crew. There deaths had been given only a cursory investigation and were more or less designed to maintain reputations but enough so that appearances were sufficient to satisfy the public.
Some might not thing Joy is not a tough gal but I have seen her in action–hell, I had moved a double wide trailer some guy had given me at Dolan Springs. Sometimes I did things that I wonder how –but I pulled that thing a half at a time with a ford Ranger pickup some ten miles and over a mile of rough dirt road to hang it off the side of a mountain where I had ten acres of desert land. I had leveled it by raising one end and using RR ties to hold it up. I hauled water in a thousand gallon tank mounted on a trailer–and the hill was good since I could pull it up above the trailer for gravity feed.
Well I did have a set up so you could heat a rigged hot water tank so that a wood fire underneath would heat the water. But I only fired it up now and again for a shower. It was outside the trailer and in open air–no neighbors for miles and with a mountain behind and an open desert miles beyond that, no problem taking a shower in the open. Except there was Joy taking a cold water outdoor shower and it snowing. Now that is a tough gal and don’t tell me she would not qualify as a wild land fire fighter. Now, of course, as all Yarnellite guinea pigs, the retardant experiment has taken its toll on her as well. Sad to say, she is scheduled to have trepanning to remove a brain tumor.
Certainly Joy deserves honors for her work toward truth and the safety of wild land fire fighting efforts. You fellows and gals in the industry deserve the honor and respect for the hard work and bravery needed to fight these terrible fires.
Correction–Donut was NW of the grader and wind blowing NW toward Peeples valley– I had hiked with others and alone to the very spot that Donut was stationed. Once Dr. Ted was along and we were looking for evidence of where he might have left food wrappers or other proof of location but knew by his description where that was. Very close to his place was a hole about 6 ft deep that would have been much safer than the grader where he would have been burned to death had he went there as he had once said thought it to be a safe place to survive the fire should he have to use it. The plate floor plate on the grader after the fire had turned a pretty blue color. Steel turns purple at 575 degrees and blue at 800–so he would have had more than singed eybrows on or under that grader–lead melts at 621 degrees–we found those old carnation cream cans near the grader that had the center lead seal melted to a tear drop. So, yes the grader had about 20 yards of clearing about it. The survival blankets did not work for the GMHS in a similar situation where they had cleared area. However–supposedly the blankets will withstand 1000 degree temperatures while Dr. Ted tells me one breath of 1000 degree air can sear your lungs so that you wind up dead anyway. Maybe you could hold your breath until the air is breathable–something maybe you older firemen would know and must have happened since a few have survived burn overs with terrible burns.
There is much concern but not much talk about the Gulf War Syndrome. Most do not know that about 50% of the Gulf War military has been diagnosed with the Syndrome. The symptoms include Fibromyalgia. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Functional Gastrointestinal Disorders, and an array of other problems such as abnormal weight loss, cardiovascular disease, neurological and psychological issues, rash or other skin problem, muscle and joint pain.
Doctors have no explanation as to the origin of these diseases and symptoms–a few people have said the depleted Uranium used in tank rounds. Certainly the many burning oil wells caused much of the problem in some of the veterans. But nothing has been said about the vaccinations that veterans go though. Here then is a list of some of the vaccines: “In total, the US GW1Vs received, at least, 17 different vaccines [1] including live vaccines (polio and yellow fever as well as experimental vaccines that had not been approved (anthrax, botulinum toxoid) and were of doubtful efficacy [2]. In the UK, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has declared only 10 vaccines given, but records exist to show that some troops received a greater number [3]. Among them were two experimental vaccines, anthrax with pertussis as an adjuvant (shown in 1990 to cause serious deconditioning in mice) [4], and plague, given to UK but not USA troops [1]. The manufacturers of pertussis were not advised of the unlicensed use on GW1Vs [1,4]. ”
I had to give this some thought since I am a veteran that uses the VA Health Care System whereupon my visits I have over the past ten years seen a huge increase in these young men from the Gulf War. Now we did know that veterans were used as guinea pigs in experimental vaccinations and even drug experiments such as LSD early on but I had not known that the Gulf war people had been given untested vaccines during the Gulf War times. What I do wonder is why the Medical Doctors are scratching their heads as to the great incidence of various symptoms that have erupted in the Gulf War Veterans. Of course there will be denial that these men and women have suffered from the experiments but it ought to be common sense that people injected with so many experimental chemicals will somewhere evidence the side effects.
When I was injected with so many vaccines after being drafted in 1967, I paid it no mind. There was some reaction but a young person can recover to some degree. It is that these chemicals including metals such as aluminum and now the new live virus types injected that remain in the body and over time do their damage. But as the doctor has a license to inject anything and vaccines are not an issue that can be court challenged, whatever Monsanto, Dow, Johnson and Johnson, Pfizer and all the Bill Gates Big Pharma companies decide to inject veterans with–they must accept. And the victims have no recourse or say in any experimental crap injected into their bodies. The final side effects wind up at the VA clinics and hospitals and people and doctors scratch their heads at what are the causes.
Well one thing, these companies and Bill Gates profit greatly and they also spend billions and hire wonderful medical experts such as Dr. Fauchi to entertain the public and tell them how wonderful the vaccines are. Well maybe so–you will have to decide whether you want the injections or not if you are a free citizen–if a veteran expect to suffer the side effects whether you want them or not.
I am suspicious of any chemical–look at the deaths and sickness at Yarnell after the retardant dispersion. We did honor the GMHS crew during the visits at the Yarnell Death Site and Canyon. Yet did we recognize the people that died and are now sick after the heavy inundation of Yarnell on two occasions –those of the days of the demise of the GMHS crew of June 30, 2013 and also of the Tenderfoot fire only a couple years later? Those people gave their lives and health as experiments of the effects of the chemical retardant dumped in the hundreds of thousands of gallons on their homes, yards and around the town. But there is no comment on this–not even the people complain. They have been brainwashed to believe it was in their best interests to paint the town red–maybe a fitting color for the bloody murder of so many residents.
Slainte–may your life’s journey be true with concern for your fellows.
I forgot to add one metal that is used in the majority of vaccines –Mercury–Hg. Of course they will tell you it is used in such small amounts that you need not worry. Shit any Hg in the system is not good and will have bad results. It will amalgamate with other substances–copper is one and another poison to the system, especially after it accumulates along with the lead and other elements such as the aluminum. It is no wonder these Gulf people are ill –and they put the figure at 50% but I can tell you it is more since like Yarnell many people that are suffering ill effects from the retardant never report them. It is a human trait that we not complain–it is just life. But then it should not be a life where people poison your yard, body and even your mind with their chemicals. But then this is a free country–If you want to sprinkle your cereal with retardant–be my guest but leave mine alone.
My daughter, who I am very proud of–well all my kids have me proud–is a church going Catholic. I think it is a good thing–informed Catholics are good people. Any religious person is usually of good character and respectable.
Well my daughter has a very close friend that is of Palestinian origin and still has relatives living in Palestine. She wears the traditional black head covering and I have to believe is more or less a devout Muslim. As the story goes, the two decided to visit those relatives and do some travels about Arab lands. They even decided to visit Jerusalem after and that of course would require crossing into Israel from Palestine. Of course the two were carrying American Passports since her friend is an American born citizen.
Melissa, my daughter, says Dad you would not believe the nasty treatment the Jews gave us coming into Israel even though we were both American Citizens. They pulled my daughter aside and asked here why was she traveling with an Arab? Now that little daughter of mine is not one to argue with–she did light into them admonishing them for treating American Citizens so terribly. She reminded them that American taxes have supported Israel in the billions of dollars, provided military equipment and helped them in their war efforts.
Any good Rabbi will tell you God abandoned the Jews in Germany when Hitler was hanging around. In some ways you could say Hitler was given carte blanch to genocide of Jews by their God. Old Hitler could have been snuffed by this great God that knows all things–so if you see a crime and do not stop it–especially if it is in your power, are you not responsible for the crime in some degree? Well if you are all powerful or a cop and do not at least make an attempt, then you certainly are derelict in duty and need to be fired. So Hitler might by some be assumed to some degree have been allowed to preform his evil actions. Some might say it was not his fault at all for the killing of Jews when the God of the Jews just stood by.
So by Rabbi standards and why the Jews have suffered so much, perhaps he could say. Is it their sins or maybe they don’t bump heads enough on the wall or perhaps falter on following the Day of Atonement services–any way God gets pissed at them pretty often and now has put them in Israel by taking away lands the Palestinians have owned for over 900 years.
But there again it was the English that decided to put the Jews in that area–they had no homeland after being expelled from Europe, even Russia and other places did not like their religion. So again God and the English are in cahoots with locating these people where now there is nothing but a continual war between the people the English took land from and the Jewish population. Well I thing America was some in on this decision, but the English were in charge and eventually expelled by Monachem Begin and his warriors.
When will we and the English quit trying to arrange the world? Everything they and we do of Imperialistic nature, including regime changes, political assignations and false war fronts comes back on the perpetrators–and it is too bad because most Americans know better.
Perhaps this explains much and I would agree: In case you are younger and do not know who Herman Goering was–he was Hitler’s right hand man, head of the Luftwaffe and probably the second most powerful individual in the German Reich. He was also condemned to hang at Nuremberg but beat the gallows by taking a smuggled cyanide pill–ironically the same chemical he had celebrated killing so many Jews, dissidents and mentally and physically challenged people with.: Goering told a NY Times Reporter:
“Naturally the common people do not want war. Neither in Russia, nor England, nor for that matter Germany, that is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy. And it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is democracy or of fascist dictatorship, or of a Parliamentary or a Communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for a lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
I am certain Julian Assange and other Journalists know this quote–Julian is living it and you can believe anyone that goes against the war mongering industrial complex will feel the heat. .
We should fill this out with mention a bit on economy. Some of the math scholars will want to approximate things.
Putin is probably of at least a minimum genius mentality. He has wisdom that we wish our own mentally deficient President could have–but our President is busy messing with China, Arabs, and even prodding England on to screw with Russia. Those items are a real challenge for his mind, I am sure–but of course he has the illustrious Harris to help him think things through.
Putin has purchased another 4 billion in gold for July–does he know something we ought to know? Well gold is just $3 short of 1800 right today. So if you understand the fiat dollar is now only worth 2 cents of its original value the the actual cost of gold in real money would be $36 per troy ounce. There are 12 ounces troy in a pound so the actual value of a pound of gold would be $4320. However I was taking the value of the dollar before 6 trillion fiat script was pumped into the banks for bail outs, military spending, the pittance of 9% given to the public by Biden and such strange monies these great economists deem necessary.
So maybe Putin is just beefing up his gold supply–but I would suggest it is a good idea to have at least 10% of your assets in gold. And if you are on the poor side–silver is recognized as money the world over even during these times. That is something that has happened since Noah survived the flood and about 25 thousand years before the Book of Genesis was imagined.
Nixon was wrong and so is Warren Buffet–Gold has many uses beyond just money–but few enough that most of it stays in existence. Gold does not oxidize or disintegrate with time–the same gold Noah handled somewhere exists today. You might call it God’s money since the gods mined it for their own uses–even the Aztecs set it aside for the gods.
So no matter what people say to disparage you stacking a bit of silver and gold do not believe it. They both will hold value while our imaginary money will continue to loose value. I am certain soon we will have thousand dollar bills and see more of the zinc pennies that soon dissolve in soil.
However, with some notice–if you have the change for investment purposes–Bitcoin will make you some fiat and is sure to rebound–too many of the Oligarchy have billions invested there–they will keep the ball rolling in their favor.
Praise your God and pass the bullets–Biden and Company’s idea.
Slainte
Opps–bullets is old fashioned–Biden would say Praise God and Bomb the objectors and anyone that is near by that looks suspicious. Eliminate them–they are the enemy–they might swim the ocean and kill you.–Well that would be a little much –he would stammer on the first sentence.
The woman fatally shot inside the U.S. Capitol Wednesday has been identified as Ashli Babbitt, a friend confirms to Fox News. Babbitt was a 14-year veteran who served four tours with the Air Force and resided in San Diego, according to media reports.
It was this Veteran Hero’s right to protest –she was and is a Hero who made four tours Ashli Babbitt was a 14-year veteran who served four tours with the Air Force and resided in San Diego, according to media reports. The coward that killed her was ironically a black cop named Michael Leroy Byrd. She had protested and walked with Black Lives Matter. Was that cop charged as Chavin had for murder? Instead he was likely given a award for bravery–and the cop that was supposedly killed actually died of a heart condition–the excitement got him, not the protesters but as much as could possibly be done was done to demonize the protestors. Yet there were many good citizens among them including previous law enforcement who were seeing the injustice.
And maybe the cop got his repressed hatred to white people off his chest that way. Either way he killed a hero and now can go down in the book of infamy, Certainly she was no threat to that man’s life–yet he willingly shot a beautiful person just because he could behind that badge.
These politicians are so out of touch with the masses–and in a way they are only puppets for those that own them.
England has now passed a law to give the Journalist or any other revealer of crimes of the governing a 14 year sentence in one of their most dreadful prisons. You won’t have the company of Prince Andrew–he is exempt.
Obama used the Patriot law nine times where former Presidents had used it only once each after its enactment. Bush and Biden were the originators of the terrorist act with Biden the big one on its invention to restrict freedoms and allow torture under the act. It was supposed to be temporary but Obama found it so useful that it is now a permanent item to restrict truth sayers by claiming the exposure of government crimes is a danger t o the security of the Nation. The only danger it is to are the asses that are doing the criminal activity–once exposed it besmirches their reputations, just as the deaths of the GMHS crew besmirched not a few that have covered up the lie. And do you think the law will be repealed since Biden and gang have it as a method to strike fear into any Journalist that dare expose their chicanery? If so, there is an ocean front property you can get dirt cheap in Arizona.
Democracy and a media that claims to have the news–what of some Epstein and Grislane drama? Moral depravity is abundant enough in the offices–so much so the general public is jaded to it. How else could a Hunter Biden rip the people off and pass along 10% to the Big Daddy fund or have two Bills and a Prince raping underage trafficked children while Obama and company look on? Well he gave permission and whatever good fortune the White House position is==that 400 thousand salary is chump change compared to the insider side benefits. If your goal is to be a multi millionaire with no scruples–run for president–but then you can do pretty well working for the main media if you stay in line. If not you will be doing time or for sure flipping burgers at Micky Dees.
Now these are my opinions–we all know these are on the surface good honest church going hold up the Bible people. Throw a dart at the voting paper–you might do better than putting the x in a slot that only says you were a good citizen and yes they did count the vote along with a few thousand extras of unknown origin.
It is all a perception after all–as long as you perceive the way you are trained or allowed to perceive
If you have not read Thoreau’s writings and his ideas about the simple life and the experiences he had then you in my estimation are missing a load of wisdom. He was of English decent–had some prejudicial views of the Irish but then we are all with some sort of bias and can look over ignorance to find value even in the thorniest cactus–well one I do despise–the jumping cactus which if you even encounter at close range and even slightly brush then this creature will attack you with and refuse to leave you without considerable infliction of pain and effort to detach from its velcro grasp to your skin and clothes. The only thing it easily detaches from is the main body of the plant. If in Arizona–make yourself scarce from a patch of it–kind of like the crony system there unless you are a part of it–not a friendly thing to outsiders.
But this is not about the blood suckers or cactus–it is about Freedom and the simple life that Thoreau lived and resolutely exercised–even to the point of doing jail time when he saw the evils of the controlling masters of manipulation of the times. He did only thirty days–Assange had done 10 years and our other good angel of truth revealing–Snowden continues to self exile in order to escape the leaches and criminals running this government.
You see, I have lived the way of the Thoreau and know that his truths are universal and essential to know for those the web of the insolent manipulators has made serfs of the ignorant masses. Education–but only the correct education is certain to free many. Education can be a release agent or if of a Prussian variety is nothing more than a mind jail meant to increase the servitude of the masses by the inventors–those of the Rothschild variety and the like.
Hitler even knew that if you control the educational system, you mold the minds of those young one to mind the bosses no matter what. They are the ones to put you in a neat little brown suit or if at a Catholic school are they all blue? Conformity and not Informity is the rule –free thinkers a threat to all and by God do not allow people that seek truth and tell it to be known or treated well. They are the demons of the good life of the Oligarch, the boss, the manipulator.
Make America Great again–the most aggressive of dogs is the Chihuahua. But some people love them –they constantly yap and attack even the greatest of dogs so their masters must hold them back. But then they are not armed with nukes or you can bet there would be no big dogs left anywhere. We are 4% of the world’s population–but we are the greatest and most imperialistic nation on earth–we are the Chihuahua with nukes. And as Trump would say we are making America great again–well Biden is–he is waving the big stick at China.
In the last few days China said she has driven an American War Ship out of her sovereign waters. This war department says no way–and what is the truth? We do know for sure because a journalist was aboard the British Ship in Russian waters that the Russians did drive that ship out of Russian waters–and the British Commander said the same–no way. Maybe they have since recanted.
The trouble is the big dogs have nukes—It is said that China only has
350 vs the US with 5800—and Russia with a few hundred less than the US. Why do they say only 350 nukes? Good lord, the new Hydrogen and super nukes make the Hiroshima killing look like speck on the wall. A salvo sent in from one of their nuclear subs–even should two or three get through would cause devastation of this Great America that would bring it to ruin. When the twin towers came down the country was shut down for days–with even one nuke exploded above our country in the atmosphere would end everything we understand about life.
Putin knows these things and so does Xi Jing–but you scare them enough with your bully tactics and they may well decide to make the first strike. They know that Nixon came within inches of pressing the button, Kennedy expected to when Russia was confronted with missiles off Cuba, and Wilson had no qualms of taking the lives of hundreds of thousands of citizens in the two cities of Japan–and he was ready to drop a third except it was taking some time to get it ready.
So if two minuscule Atom Bombs had a nation to it knees and at total surrender what does the fool Biden think a couple of the modern versions would do? Do the fool that runs Britain and Biden have any intelligence or have they conferred with the Chinese and Russians and it is all a ploy to scare the masses so more war production can be done.
Maybe, but with the Iranians there will be no such collaboration–they did cheer on the Arabians when they hit the Twin Towers and after years of feeling the sanctions we have not made many friends in the Arabian deserts and oil fields. The world is changing–look at the thousands of drones in Iran. Look how we have treated Russia and China badly including sanctions on Russia to make life harder there for the common man. And the shrieks of Arabia trained here have our American Journalist cut into pieces and flushed down a toilet. They learned from us–and do we object–how can we when you see how Snowden and Assange are treated–Journalists of such ilk seeking and telling the truth are a threat to security–whose security? The Clintons, and the whole family of Oligarchs that are committing these crimes exposed by these journalists–not the common man who is kept in ignorance.
So it is the man Thereau has much to say and would it be great should he be here today to see the even worse pack of fools and feeble minds running things today. I should think he would delight in writing of these people of monkey minds.
Slaiente
I did look back at this one–but not as bad as some had written just after being shot in the back with a twelve gauge shotgun.
If you are worried about your health you should be. The spread ;of retardant is rampant along with the wild fires from global warming effects–something that will escalate and quite rapidly once the polar ice caps melt away. The North Pole is crucial but is now gone by 95% during summer months. Oddly–old ice reflects 90% of the sunlight back into space except for a small amount stopped by clouds. However with the increased carbon dioxide, methane and other global warming gasses, more and more of that is diffused into heat waves–the reason scientists concern about global warming. But conversely once the ice is melted away the dark ocean waters absorb [email protected] of the light turning it into infrared heat so the oceans are warmed to an even greater heat melting away more ice so that there will be no ice during the summer months in the Arctic. In a time of 700 thousand years there has never been a summer in the Arctic when the ice cap had melted and ocean waters exposed.
So that is not the only danger facing us right now. The even greater immediate danger sets in our White House and his method and those advising him to involve in messing with the Chinese, Russians, Iranians and other sovereign nations.
There are now attempts being made to fully engage in a cold war with China and Russia–something that we believed was over with after Russian split up and more or less threw in the towel. Because many of us believed those we had elected, like the Bush and Clinton clans, we were behind the war efforts, making America Great thing, and justifications given for killing Arabs and affiliates. But in time some of us began to realize when good and true and brave journalists started revealing that we were the fools and the Oligarchs of the aforesaid clans were snakes in the grass spewing lies to maintain wars and profits and control of the serfs. We now no longer are so easily fooled–the internet and especially those who had the fortitude to reveal the lies has exposed these charlatans. Still they continue in power and continue with their media control and their manipulation–few see the truth and if they do they do not believe it.
So if you worry too much about your health, lighten up. Everyday I wake up wondering if there will be a big nuclear cloud of fallout full of vaporized bodies out of Los Angeles and even perhaps Phoenix, God fobid–my daughter lives there.
But this is reality and some of the truth of things comes off the shunned You Tube type news. I just watched the Russian talking to the Japanese about the peace treaty they want with Russia, The reply was you forget about Heroshima and Nagasaki and the thousands that died even after the nuclear bombs were dropped and now you are allowing the US to place missiles on your lands within reach you say for China but they are also near our borders as well. A peace treaty is not needed–you should think about what you are doing with a country that had no problem with nuking your country.
You see that these people in Russian, China, Iran are no fools and goad them enough you may well see a first strike.
If there ever was a time to put someone in charge that would begin dismantling the war machine and most especially the war mongering Bully attitude it is now. The world needs to be put at ease and know that America is not out to change other peoples regimes, ways to live or to sanction them so their people suffer.
And if you believe or even imagine that China, Russia or maybe even Iran could not get several nukes through off a submarine or otherwise–Russia now has an underwater torpedo like drone that can deliver a nuke right to the Statue of Liberty or to Fisherman Warf in Seattle, San Francisco,, LA , San Diego, Houston and Miami all simultaneously–and with the new technology leaving only a 5 minute response time– Would Biden be able to get up the stairs to Air Force One quick enough–or be it the White House Stairs without stumbling in 5 minutes. Would there even be a return response given the small limits to respond?
Hopefully some one will come to represent the good of America once this Yahoo is out of power. He has loaded his pockets as has his son under his guidance done well. But as always, those with money revel in and covet power even more than the wealth they have stolen from the common man.
I had suspected the Vaccine hype–The new delta variety–there are something like 89,000 cases from it. The lethality is the same as the flu–.2%. Now if you are over 50 and have been vaccinated already then get the Delta your chances of going into the hospital are 69%. If you are not vaccinated and get the Delta variety your chances of going into the hospital are 31%. Now this changes if you are under 50 and get the Delta you have less chance of going into the hospital than if you are not vaccinated.
This data was slow in coming out of the UK and there is none here in the US. Fauchi and Biden are promoting. Go read the data yourself htt//.UK/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1000678/Variants_o_Concern_VDC_Technical_Briefing_18.p
The above I copied by vision off You Tube and to get a view of the actual document on You Tube go to find the chart again–I went back to get the name of the doctor that put it on–could not find the site again. But you can see how people put out crap to scare hell out of people so they run to get the vaccine.
In my case with the Delta thing I would not want to get it and be vaccinated. But if you are under 50 you will lest likely go into the hospital. However, also the Delta variety kills a minuscule amount of people being the same death rate as the flu. However the regular Covid 19 killes at as I remember on the chart 1.9% of people that get it which is about 10 times as often as the Delta Variety. There were a whole list of other variants and they all had only 1 death attributed to each of about 6 other variants of covid. Why do these people feed us a line? Go look at the chart and you will see that Bill Gates deal of presenting 38 grand to Fauchi has addled the brain of Fauchi or else he is a damned liar trying to scare people into a vaccine if they do not want one or in bad health as I am and should I take a vaccine would likely be my last. There are some that had taken the first vaccine and were found to have a terrible reaction and could not therefore take a second one. But in the UK you will need a certificate to go ta a pub or to a restaurant or have had a test the day prior proving you do not have Covid.
Well if you get the Delta variety, do not worry–if you had the flu you will likely get over it the same as you did the flu because the statistics show your rate of death the same as for flu. Those that might worry are people that are obese, have a lung shot out, have bad immune systems, are dying of aids or cancer, are sick already. So you ought not worry too much–that fear they promote has no basis except someone profits from a vaccine. And I say take the damn thing if you think it will help–but be aware that the Delta variety is not going to kill you unless you are already immune compromised and would die from even the common flu.
My opinion–do your own thing and research–believe the facts of what is really going on–not the hype.
I hope I copied that site correctly–it was quite an eye opener and the good Doctor that pat it on said almost always variants of a disease are less potent–why he researched for data on the Delta. Thanks Doc, sorry I did not find your site again and remember your name.
Truth is what makes good–and the lies we get from government officials and even many of those Doctors, Psychologists, and others working for the government or industries selling pills and vaccines are suspect. Seems everyone has a price and I flinch to think I actually once considered working as a Psychologist for Industry because they wave big wages toward students in those departments that take up work with them–much more than the poor wages managing a half way house I can tell you.
But times have changed–even wild land fire fighters are promised better wages by Biden–we’ll see.
Those cases would be the UK–that was a UK document.
Did some organic weeding (used the Hoe–the metal marvel). No round up on my yard–Round up company is paying money to those they cause cancer and other ailments to. They don’t care–the court costs and payments are considered business expenses–loosing a few millions in order to make billions. I notice Round up is still on Wal Mart shelves in an area I generally avoid unless I pass through accidentally.
These things like the retardants and Round Up should have proper labels–Deadly toxins guaranteed sooner or later to poison the environment, give you one or more of the following diseases –cancer, kidney disease, COPD, liver rot, ED, heart disease and numerous other problems such as fibromialgia and various skin allergies. Your use will contribute to poisoning scarce fresh water and ground water supplies, sicken and kill fish and wild life, and create dead zones in the ocean environment. In short you will be taking part in destroying the eco system–that thing that keeps you alive and healthy.
It might be a long thing to read and the skull and bones that may of our Presidents and other high officials ascribe to ought to be on the label just as we do any poison product. It might seem outlandish to some that are educated but the common man ordinarily does not know these things if he has 5 kids and is busting ass to make a living. Do I expect any change–no but I will not apply any of those poisons to my vegetables or fruits as they may be–and I have always been leary of these lazy man toxins.
Maybe it is why I have reached the age of 77 despite working in some of the worst environments. Well I did not really reach 77 but was killed in 2014 by the retardant toxins–one that causes cholesterol to quickly coat the arteries that forces a heart failure. But some of us get a second and in my case about 6 more chances at life–6 heart attacks and then another death down the tunnel–maybe to hell–some think so–but I am back in spite of the last death and a hole in my back and loaded with an ounce of lead birdshot. So maybe I needed to say a few things before leaving the planet. And I am not worried about going to hell–like some think–I already was there when I lived in Dolan Spring AZ–and that could go even more for a few other areas in Arizona some that are occupied with a pack of cronies the Devil is salivating over. Some that even claim to be Christians.—just don’t be riding the plane when they are raptured off to Hell. Who knows?
It is coffee time–add a morning banana to kill the acid and add some potassium to your diet.
I am amused at how our attention is drawn away from the real problems of the world by what the Doctor that exposed the facts about the Delta Variant–he called it Fear Porn. The fact that the Delta virus is no more deadly than the common flu ought to register–but meantime the ignorant President suffering dementia and a WHO official Fauchi bought off by Bill Gates and his many lucrative vaccine companies (he has the monopoly on that one) , it is a good thing they can scare hell out of people to divert their attention to the really dangerous situation.
The War Department and that black guy running it are happy–they do not want the general public to take notice that they have deployed 140,000 of our soldiers to surround China with a hoard of our war ships provoking war over there. There was a treaty signed by China and the US, England and other allies that Taiwan would always be a part of China. But of course times have changed and the Taiwanese want their independence–and this is likely to lead to another war.
What fool would put 140 thousand soldiers against 2.12 million active soldiers. Yet Biden wants 5 more Billion dollars just to surround and harass China. But these Military men in charge here are talking macho–and it seems they have a mind that if they do not get at China now the idea that America will continue to dominate the world with its imperialistic ideas will be gone with the rise of China.
China is not the old China–they have the same technology–submarines–and mind you 350 nukes is enough to take out any nation of any size several times over.
It is hopeful that we can get though this administration without a war with China that the War Department is now working as hard as possible to justify and keep the public attention away from what they are doing. The man called Biden is Trump with a different voice–but then Make America Great again in War sense is to be the Big Boss of All. It ain’t gonna happen–the world changes and it is time we started taking care of our own affairs at home before there is no world to take care of. Megalomania is a disease of the elite that may well ruin the planet.
Here is something to consider about the China-Taiwan ordeal–
“In 1972, under the “Nixon Shock” and strong domestic pressure, Mr. Kakuei Tanaka and Mr. Ohira and other Japanese statesmen speeded up the process of the normalization of diplomatic relations between China and Japan so as to keep in conformity with the aspiration of Japanese people. The Tanaka Diet stated clearly that they fully understood the three principles for restoring diplomatic relations put forward by China, namely (1) The People’s Republic of China is the sole legal government of China; (2). Taiwan is an inalienable part of the territory of the People’s Republic of China; (3)The so-called “Peace Treaty” between Japan and the Chiang Kaishek authorities is illegal and invalid and must be annulled. Through repeated negotiations, the two sides signed the Sino-Japanese Joint Statement on September 29, 1972, in which the Article 3 said: “The government of the People’s Republic of China reiterates that Taiwan is an inalienable part of the territory of the People’s Republic of China. The government of Japan fully understands and respects this position of the government of the People’s Republic of China, and shall firmly abide by the principles under Article 8 in the Potsdam Proclamation.”
What is the real reason we are goading China? Does someone smell war profits in the wind?
Jen Psaki said she will bring “truth and transparency to the White House briefing room”; .
I do not know about the truth part but there is plenty of transparency concerning the purpose of the Biden team of crime operations. How else can you describe outright censoring of the news–actions we only see in dictatorships and communist governments.
She says “We” meaning the Biden conies had teamed up with Bezos, Twitter, Media, etc. to censor anything negative about the vaccine. They did before did not censor anything negative about Trump but did censor anything negative about Biden. In fact any information about the lap top the dope head Hunter had left behind was kept out of the new, off You Tube, off any media. It tied the Bidens in to criminal activity. It is ;not surprising the public has increasingly come to distrust these main media outlets.
The fake news mantra invented by Trump is well understood, although Trump himself is a danger to the environment, prone to ignorance but extremely wise to how to be a leader. Extreme leaders such as Trump are vociferous –The Biden group are less so yet when you see opposing opinions being censored then Big Brother of Orson Welles 1984 book of prophecy is here.
And you see not one thing has been said about releasing Julian Assange despite the admission of the false testimony of the fat kid in Iceland.. Nor has anything been done to release charges on Snowden, nor mention of the murder of the American journalist Jamal Khashoggi by Saudi’s trained here in the good old USof A. This should tell you there is an all out restriction against any Journalist or news outlet that seeks to find truth and alternative views. And that Journalist dare not expose the bastards in charge else he/she like the Saudi Prince that was insulted by Jamal might just end up flushed down a toilet after being hacked into pieces.
And you think you live in a democracy?
I won’t take the vaccine–It is my right and enough doctors say there is not much benefit to those under 50–Covid would not kill them and in most instances words like or even less than the flu for those ages. And there is a big hint when the Pfizer CEO refuses it and is well over 50. Of Course, in my case I have faced death several times even to the point of going being dead–not a bad situation and something no one escapes. But to live a life of censorship and forced vaccinations is the death of the free spirit and soul that only the ignorant and fearful will allow.
Slainte
I should add–there will soon come a time when there will be a knock on your door and a team of armed men dressed and masked in black with automatic weapons will be pointed at you. A NAZI type doctor or nurse will have needle in hand–you the free thinker and objector to vaccines will be grabbed and injected whether you like it or not. The alternative will be a prison camp or a bullet to the brain–something you might get if they have to break down the door or you reach for your phone.
This might seem extreme but that extreme is already here yet veiled to the majority.
The sickness of these war criminals defies comprehension. Rumsfeld had passed on June 29 at Taos, New Mexico according to news articles. He had written in his memoirs of 2011, “Known and Unknown,” Mr. Rumsfeld, more than four years out of office, still expressed no regrets over the decision to invade Iraq, which had cost the United States $700 billion and 4,400 American lives, insisting that the removal of President Hussein had justified the effort.
Of course he only mentions the deaths of 4400 of our heroes, yet there have been millions of innocent people killed in their own countries because of his and his cronies efforts to protect their oil wealth and promote more profits for the war industries. Malaysia tried the Bush people in abstention, including Cheney, Rumsfeld and a list of the cronies and lawyers, all masters of deception, torture, and assignations and murders and found them guilty of war crimes–rightfully so in my way of thinking. And should the Military arrest those available then justice should be dealt to them as they have dealt to our young military men and women in service so sacrificed and to the hundreds of thousands of civilians including women, men and children whose only crime was attempting to survive in their poverty ridden lands. You have to want to puke to see these men in $10,000 Armani pen stripped suits smiling as they kill off the real heroes of this country and those innocents in foreign lands–even under false Flag events allowed and perpetrated.
They put the figure at 400 billion but the truth is that the taxpayer has been burdened with trillions–something admitted to since no accounting has ever been made for monies used in black ops programs.
The actual loss of US military lives has now reached 7,000 while the civilian lives lost in the Afghan and Iraq war has been listed as 266,000. That is enough blood sacrifice under false pretense–Iraq and Afghanistan did not bring down the twin towers nor did Saddam have nukes and our intelligence and these Rumsfeld, Cheny and Bush people knew it) . And all those deaths to hold on to oil while these people know there are alternative energy sources and at the same time we were exporting oil. All a death game to trade innocent lives of our own and foreign civilians so a few families could enrich themselves and assure there generations to continue their power positions. And Biden has made his moves with China for wealth that his family–though Hunter complains that he is not getting his fair share from Daddy. Yet the general American public believes they have representation, honest leaders and true politicians that concern for their subjects.
I had to shake my head when I saw that Biden dropped the stimulus from 2000 he promised to 1400. And the sum set out was only 9% of the Trillions set aside for the stimulus–what I pay in state tax when I buy off Ebay–another tax scam since used crap has already been taxed and should not be taxed again. But people still go to the polls believing these crooks are truly representing them?
These supposed leaders of good have left their mark alright–an ugly one when facts are known.
Chuck Shumer said we must allot more billions to industry because we are at risk of loosing our position as the world’s premier super power. And this is the kind of bunk Shumer and cronies feed us. They damn well know that no matter how much money you put into making chips, technology here, manufacturing, etc.–there will be little or no change. That cheap labor of people in China working for $2 an hour at serf wages and having to use company script will keep the manufacturing in China. There is no way this country can win back those jobs that have gone overseas. Those billions will be another folly that will only burden the taxpayer more and enrich the oligarchs.
I would vote for Telsie Gabbard or even Jesse Ventura–both war heroes who want to stop the needless wars and regime change tactics by assassination and intentional instigation of revolutions so the small countries can be raped of their resources. I wonder though how long they would last with corruptions as thick as it is.
There is a better way–yes–will it happen? Cleaning the corruption possible? I do wish I did not see what I see–but I have seen now I understand why the good messenger of truth is on a hit list. It is better to die unfettered than to live in the chains of fear and ignorance.
Slainte
Assassinations not assignation although there were some nasty assignments–including the killing of Ben Lauden–Perhaps a patsy since he was a known CIA operative before the 911 and after all managed to avoid his disposal for some time.
Maybe Gates, Biden and others of the ruling and control classes will be able to censor any opposition as they did via media to promote the shut down of the country and the defeat of Trump. Bill Gates new patent on an injected crypto chip so you can wave your hand as you walk though the check out device at Wal Mart, etc.–is the precursor to events. His patent number is easy to remember–W0202060606. The 666 has meaning and so does the W and the 22. Codes have been a thing with the secret societies–and if you are a Mason you have quite a few that you learn as you go up the ladder. 33 has special meaning but few get that far.
Do you trust Gates and his cohort in the vaccine business–Fauchi? Gates’ wife doesn’t. Once he started business with Epstein where they were going to build safe houses for youthful abused girls, Mrs. Gates filed for divorce. Of course she did not need to expose him–she will get plenty of billions and the fuss messing with a turd is wasted effort. Too many are fooled by his BS and Charitable actions. Well sure–when you pay less than 2% of your income in taxes and save yourself billions, no problem tossing out a few millions to look good. But then he is legal–the Oligarchy makes the laws–or they purchase those that make the laws. The working stiff will go on paying half his hard earned check to Taxes, SS, and more taxes while the Oligarch types such as Gates and Bezos and Buffet pay a pittance to none.
Do expect a reset–but it will not hurt the Oligarch–you will maybe even get another stimulus–more script but it is loosing value quickly.
Some had asked my opinion on religion in thinking I might have an inkling because I had done my thesis for what is termed a Master’s degree in Theology. You and I would do better to investigate our own core beliefs in Religion rather than accept the things we might have been taught by good ole Mom and Dad if we had one–if not we might have a better chance to have a mind that is willing to consider all evidence to come to a conclusion that is more near the truth concerning religious ideas.
I had written that thesis defending the Schofield translation as the best translation of the King James Bible–later translations of the Bible have changed meanings so often. But in truth, there are no translations that can be valid concerning the time discrepancies and how languages change meaning and not only that we saw the meaning of hoe change quickly in some circles and booty as well as many others in a matter of a few years. Now that minorities are overpopulating the white races, so are their colloquialisms being accepted as legitimate English words.
Over time I have concluded that religion is a guessing game at best but a definite method of mass psychology involving calming and control procedures–not at all taken seriously by those leaders that attend to produce a fine face to the public. Their Skull and Bones, Masonic, University Education, etc. will have them waving the cross because that is another usable instrument to appease, calm and control the masses. And of course if that does not work, then the alternative is police and military action–something they are not hesitant to use–you saw that at Washington where police and military were brought in to quell the masses that were generally peaceful demonstrations.
I do know the whole Flood concerning Noah had been written 2000 years before the Israelite Religious Dads decided to rewrite it in a form to worship a monotheistic God unseen with no images made to represent him. The 2000 year earlier cuneiform writing of the flood lists a number of Gods involved in the creation of man and even the allowance of the flood due to natural causes they knew were about to happen. The gods according to earlier records were alien types–Annunaki later identified as the Shining Ones or Angels in the Bible.
Well you want to know which is more reliable? My own opinion that you should get more truth out of the earlier version–2000 years is a long span of time for the story to change. But of course the Church Dads will say oh Hell, God inspired every word of the Bible.–but it is also the Church Dads that constantly argue over Greek that they waited over 1600 years before they decided to translate a long dead Greek Language so that they had to have 52 so called Greek language experts to argue out the meaning of the words. I don’t know if God was hanging around those 52 any more than he was hanging around the original writers of the Greek texts. I have a hunch he was off with his other lesser gods hanging around Nibiru trying to getting the gold into the god atmosphere to plug up the Ozone holes.
Gold by the way can be pounded so thin ( 0.18 microns (seven millionths of an inch) thick;) it becomes translucent. So the alien gods that manipulated primitive man into slave laborers for their purposes by giving them their reptilian minds were no dummies.
Those such as the author Zechariah Sitchen who had spent a lifetime interpreting the Sumerian clay tablets and has out many books discussing those interpretations. A very short book if you have an open mind and do not feel your destiny will be hell, another easy reading book and short for a starter would be “The Reptilian Alien Origens of the Human Species” by Aktar. You can treat it as science fiction since your mind will be warped by false History from school and religious bunco you were fed by your church or government inspired educational system.
Then if you want to learn about the Jesus story you can go back in history on that one as well. Flavius Josephus was the prolific writer and Pharasee that had written numerous volumes of books concerning the Roman Empire during the siege when Jerusalem fell to the Romans. The works we have only mention Jesus once. You know of course that Jesus was also a Pharisee. The parallels in the gospels and the writings of Josephus are uncanny–as if he wrote them himself and he may well have. He was working as the historian for the Emperors and they did need a parallel to the coming Jewish Messiah idea for Romans. And Josephus was right there when Jesus was reportedly hanging around. yet mentions him only once–and that is been found to be a paragraph inserted by a different writer at a later time. So how much of the New Testament is fabrication or misinterpreted? Well you have hope if you believe in the Christian doctrine–144,000 will be saved and it is laughable some will be suck up called a rapture–something invented in the past hundred years since that rapture is not even a word in the Bible. Do you think with 7 billion people and a hell of a bunch of Christians around your chance of being saved are good. The odds are bad–all have sinned and sinned like hell–most break the speed limits every day and gobble down MacDonald’s while they can.
So if you squirm a bit, good for you. I too was befuddled during a part of my life until taking a good open minded look at many facts. The stories about evolution, dates and theories of live and earth beginnings you are fed in Schools and Universities are theories just as religions are, although religions are designs manufactured to maintain and manipulate the masses. Truth is a better alternative but then that would throw mud in the face of most of those Politicos and the Puppeteers that control them. But those of you not willing to follow the head goat will be whipped–so expect the stripes.
My opinions –may your good gods give you some true ones if you can handle them.
That should have been mud in the face to the Church Fathers as well and they will give me an extra stripe for misspelling Scofield–even though I did a thesis on his translation–there are good footnotes and side notes everywhere–he had extensive knowledge of the Bible and refers and correlates lots of it. And may your gods or god or no god give you some truth if you can handle it.
It is time to sing and dance with the gods for one never knows what these Yahoos in control have connived.
Have you noticed the people that run this country are not healthy in either body, mind or spirit? Indeed they should be wearing their masks and taking their vaccinations. The white ones look like ghosts and the dark ones act like ghosts. And the sickness to ask for more war funds and promote more cold war operations, more armaments and even more improved nukes.
Ignorance is a great evil. Those in charge have no inkling of how their industrial puppeteers are the very ones to sicken their children and even worse sicken the planet so everyone’s children are at extreme danger. These are drunken with power given them that they are incapable of managing to the benefit of those they continue to tighten the cinches upon.
The news was tonight that the ammunition is flying off the shelves. People are preparing for what they feel is coming. The rent reprieve is up and now thousands will be homeless and more will be loosing their properties because the payment monies on their mortgages will not be there. And thousands of refugees are admitted to this country to be fed and cared for in cages–while we have a President and War Industries pushing for a new war–one where thousands of our young military are sent off to attempt to fend off millions.
In 1972 the US in a treaty with China agreed that Taiwan would always be a part of mainland China. What changed their minds? Certain the communist ruler XI says there will be annexation whether the US agrees or not. The Communists are watching for the right time to move but that may be sooner than later if Biden and War Friends decide to push an early war. They know that China is not getting weaker, but stronger. So how determined is this War Department and its Commander in Chief to prove America is the world’s greatest imperial power? Hubris in this case will be costly.
So far the Trillions have done nothing to improve our infrastructure. They have bailed out the rich industries and banks but have thrown scraps to the people and the
real problems we have at home. These war mongers are too busy surrounding China and playing expensive war games in the Black Sea to antagonize the Russians. But are they going to be able to figure out a ploy to justify their actions as previous President could fabricate? People are wiser than they were but then too many are hoping this government and its actions will be their safety shield. It may instead be the fall of the Empire and a great devastation of the planet.
So where are the peacemakers? They have been rejected–those that wanted to stop the war mentality insanity and regime change wars were called traitors shaking hands with the Russians. In fact they were the real heroes who wanted diplomacy and not insane actions.
They wanted to take the tack of respect of other Sovereign nations rather than sanctions and Bully tactic and talk.
If you think there are not a Russian and Chinese subs a few hundred miles off our Shores with more than a hundred nukes pointed our way, then you better think again. The Chinese and Russians see our actions in their waters and lands 5000 miles from our Shores and realize only crazy and dangerous people would take such actions. They may well decide to take a first strike–and Russian technology and undoubtedly Chinese technology is such that there will be no opportunity for a response. Then it will be left up to some of our Submarine people to decide whether to respond or to take their sub to some southern hemisphere country as the Nazis did to attempt to survive.
As I told my grandson on the Nuclear Sub–He may be one of the few survivors of the next war and that might be a very slime chance in the short run.
Namaste- The Hindu greeting for another–respect for others no matter their race, creed or color. But it must also mean a respect for the planet and creatures in it. I see none of that in our officials–only the run of the mill hedonists who pleasure in their power abuses.
And what is important news–Trump and Covid–even though the new Variant is no more dangerous than the common flu if you get it–and that is likely even if you have had the vaccination.
Slaiente –Health the best you can cosidering. Get your mind and body prepared for the worst while we hope for the best.
I did speak with Scott–loose ends are getting tied up and we should be seeing a documentary before the end of the year if the creeks don’t rise and the gods be willing.
You fellows keep up the good work–and good tidings to Scott and his work at getting the truth out.
This old world will keep on turning and we hope better than it has been. Jessee Ventura noted that that Bill was a regular on the Lolita Express–27 times and the little black book lists a bunch of riders–including the great vaccinator Bill Gates and Prince Charming was a regular for years with Epstein, Is it any wonder he was suicided–could you imagine the web of crimes he would have exposed when under oath? You can bet Grislane will get another nice deal rather than be put under oath. She is also noticing how Mr. Epstein got suicided.
But this world needs entertainment–we already know about these criminals–and why they are off in China instead of here taking care of the worst of home front problems. The only manufacturing we have is war materials–where the big profits are. But most of us know we already have enough to blow this world to kingdom come and yet it seems the big thing is either Trump or Grislane and the child molesters that will go unpunished the same as Hunter Biden and the Biden criminal enterprise has. You see, they have goods on each other and all have their hands in the black bird pie. So talk big but not against your cronies. Ha, what a charade–more entertaining and laughable if it were not for the fact it will bring this country down.
I think the vote deal if another entertainment and diversion. You need to keep the public looking somewhere now that football and other games are pretty much shut down. If people see too much there will be some mighty big protestations.
But then the world must change. The Hopi have it right–there is a cycle and the destruction now that there is little respect for the land, creatures and the environment there will necessarily be a clearing of things so the earth can be renewed. The native Indian way of respect the land and creatures was always a good way. Being a part of the environment instead of an enemy of the environment is the right thing.
Fortunately the younger generation away from the profit over life idea of the industrial and war profit generation have been waking up to their situation. Covid is in one way a good thing for the survivors–they have had time away from their mundane tasks and school chains to think for themselves–maybe even see that their perceptions have been molded from false premises. Of course as government and authorities lie truth becomes traitorous. Obama put away 9 Journalists on charges of espionage–they told too much truth of the wrong doings in government. Maybe not as bad as the Fruer –he would have had them shot immediately–but then what is the difference–you lock a journalist away and he may as well have been dead–you shut up the truth sayer under espionage charges. And did you see one President in 10 years aid these people that expose the wrongs?
So the brave ones among us are those that go forward with the truth despite the warnings and examples they see of those that are maimed or suicided or in some way harmed for being good citizens.
And the poor wild land fire fighter better walk the line or he will be hunting a job. This is why the gods and nature have begun the process of cleaning the morass–the black mold and mosquito swamp.
Get your case of beans–I have a couple–if you come my direction you are welcome to join in a feast of beans and amaranth washed down with some stout cowboy coffee.
Slaiente–may your gods guide you well.
In watching the Senate hearings involving Intelligence reports that castigate China I had to be amazed at the simplicity of people that supposedly are intelligent.
They know that our political system encouraged the move of industry to China for cheap labor. They know that Hunter Biden, the Clinton Clan, the Bush bunch and so on have greatly increased their personal wealth from these associations with China. They have pushed the New World Order where boundaries and National Interests are minimize and open borders encourage. Yet these intelligence people, supported by the like of Senator Rubio declare that the Chinese have been stealing secrets every year that amount to some 300 to 600 billion in value. Yet in all this rhetoric they fail to admit that the Chinese were encouraged by our own industries and politicians to engage in research in our own Universities, even funded by the American Taxpayer grants. The Covid gain of function was just one example–all sorts of technology were encouraged by our government agencies–Dr. Fauchi in medical research and war germ gain of function experiments but especially the Clinton gang were not at all hesitant to share technological information about war equipment.
So it is a side show of clowns now complaining that the US is taking a back seat in the World Stage Directors chair. There is no comeback and this stupid moves being made to demonize China so more war profits can be made by the Industrial War connivers is now being drummed into the public mind –a mass psychology ploy to justify the China assault.
In order to control the masses the books written on the art by such people as Vaclav Havel (dissident against the Russian Communist regimen who later became President of Czechoslovakia) you must create a parallel structure to the enemy. And the control mechanisms of the masses begins with fear followed by resolution and calm then again fear is manufactured and more intense since it was already ingrained in the masses. The end result is a people willing to forgo freedoms for the safety offered by the elite.
Carl Jung recognized that escape from mass psychosis begins with order of ones own mind. The possibility to influence such an assault on the masses has little hope but Jung believed at least one mind could be saved from the trap–that being your own.
There are some very educated and keen individuals out there. I see that too many of them though are willing to sell their birthrights to freedom or to join the powers that manipulate. So, yes the true facts are controlled and any that are a threat to the collective powers owned by the globalist industrialists and other elite forces will be dangerous moved and thwarted as quickly and as meanly as possible. Good and true fact finding Journalists beware.
I do understand the Oliver Stone has made a movie concerning Ed Snowden. It should be an interesting take on the methods of truth suppression concerning the political hacks. I doubt the Bidens will bother to watch–they are too busy counting their booty.
Take it all in good humor but if you have young children, it would be wise to have them learn Chinese.
Our Republic was sold out some time ago–these late moves and rhetoric against China are only done to incense the American public so more war funds might be justified in the public eye. Muslims make up 25% of the world’s population and our elite and politicos have done a good job to create hate toward the people of America. China has 7.5 Billion people–a third of the worlds population. Now these war mongering fools are doing their best to demonize these people by claiming they have stolen the secrets that were mostly handed to them either by technical industries moved there or a pillaging politician.
It is a shame since we have wrecked the lives of tens of millions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Vietnam, Lybia and seem to be on an endless game of war and destruction for regime change and to prove that America is Great again. And will we get someone of sense in office–well perhaps but it will be the younger generation that will have to demand the changes.
And it is too bad there is not a Snowden in the retardant industry to tell those of us that have suffered the exposure as to what chemicals are secretly added to the toxins that are dumped on people.
But then you should smile and laugh at such Buffoons that run the country–you voted for them and did now know you only got another Trump with a different mask. Clowns are funny to watch, so perhaps the entertainment value is what counts now a days since these fools care less about the environment or whether our country makes more enemies. We just do not have enought in their eyes.
Slainte
Why? Nineteen of our heroes dead and another 200 out of 645 dead from the same fire–the latter mostly the elders in their golden years of retirement and yet so many would put it behind us–treat it as if it were an act of God that should be mourned but allowed to float into the river of time without being fully addressed. We humans have a tendency to forgive and forget–yet at Yarnell too many folk believe that there were no actions to blame–all these deaths were accidental. Yet the calling down of the GMHS crew to enter a death canyon and the dumping of thousands of tons of toxic retardant upon the small town were not accidents nor were they acts of God or Jesus who runs things now according to Christian belief. There are no negligent criminal actions to be seen because the powers involved made it that way.
There are some nasty criminals in the world–many of them have smiley faces as they do their dirty work. How they sleep at night meas they can only be subjects of a sociopathic mind. Just as the Yarnell fire had killed so many with no repercussions to all involved, I had to see there are others of criminal mentality.
People of that mind are often in the highest places wearing Avani suits, sporting Rolex watches and entertaining celebrities on their multimillion dollar estates secured by ill-gotten gains–most usually at tax payer expense. I had been looking at the Afghanistan war statistics–2.3 Trillion spent on that war since 2001. Yes many military men and all war industries have prospered greatly. Those retired Colonels, Majors, Generals and others that invested in stocks have multiplied their fortunes many times–some in the millions of dollars. Of course, the Presidents have known where to put their dollars as well–and certainly the likes of a Lloyd Austin have benefited greatly being a board member of Ratheon–salary 1.4 million including stock and his net worth is $10,000,000. That General, now Secretary of Defense knew where to put his money and knew the ropes of promoting war profits–and Ratheon as well knew whose pockets to line. Conflict of interest? That was an issue but waived by the President Biden.
This Afghan War has cost a total of between 238,000 and 241,000 lives Of those about 78,000 lives were civilians–women and children about half that figure. There were 136 Journalists killed and 549 humanitarian aid workers. The Taliban lost 84,111 while 2,442 with allies over there loosing 1144 military. The Taliban also killed an estimated 78,000 of the Afghan National troops.
This was all started on a false premise and continued under the Bush, Clinton, and Trump administrations. They were all knowledgeable of their actions and the false flag events to make the Ratheon and other War Production Industries and their stock insiders wealthy. Are these liars and false flag war instigators, the men and their war promoters not guilty of war crimes worthy to be tried on an international court of justice?
Biden has pulled our men out–but rather than bringing them home he is sending them off to remote islands, Japan, and in War Ships invading the Chinese and Black Seas. He expects even bigger war profits from these maneuvers–War Lord Austin’s 10 million will balloon to 100 million quickly as will many others invested in the War programs and stocks.
You do not have to be a psychologist to see the sickness in the souls of these war mongering types. The power and the wealth involved is enormous and so are the costs to human lives. And yes the common man and woman working two jobs, the miner, the fire fighter, the logger, the carpenter, the poor bloke greeting at Wal Mart–the common hard working soul will foot the bill for all this killing and murder going on under the pretense of war and protecting democracy and killing terrorists. Remember the terrorists were only 19 and they were almost all Saudis and their leader Osama Bin Lauden was trained by our own CIA right here in the USA.
You can see that if the American Public were told the truth from the beginning it would have never been that war. But why not they said–because the oil they had big interests in and the war profits to be made from such war to make them even more wealthy and their own personal greed drove them to what they did–and the Journalists that exposed them, they would kill either outright or by character assassination.
If you can not win a war on other people’s soil in a small country like Afghanistan then I wonder how Biden thinks things will go against China with an army of over 2 million and a Russian army that has been challenged with a Napoleonic Army and onward and after many attempts has never been defeated. They do not invade our shores or waters now do they care to, yet our President and his war lords have the gall to attempt to intimidate them in their own waters and lands some 5 thousand miles from our homeland. Why?
We have no business going to other people’s sovereign nations and invading their lands thousands of miles from our home land. Let them come here and invade our lands then we have every right to defend just as they have proven in all those countries we have invaded that they will fight to the end.
The continued offensive Presidential stance continues with Biden group–they are not at all subtle about their motives and now they would use the US Military against the public as a police force because they know people are getting fed up with these endless false flag wars to profit the wealthy at the expense of the common citizen.
This next war endeavor may very well lead to nuclear yet these fools of Britain and the US are stupid enough to think they can just play war games by floating ships constantly around off the China shores in the China Seas and those in the Black Seas off the shores of Russia. Clinton sold all the war technology to China so they even have the Stealth Bombers now. Look to see the earth scorched with more than just wild fires in the near future if they keep pushing China and Russia.
Perhaps the young of this country will see what is going on–I think a lot do while the rest are entertained by these games and the older by Epstein drama and the pedophiles like Clinton and Prince Andrew and so many others in our high offices.
Truth and Journalists that expose the outrageous criminal acts committed by these people and their war mongering cronies may be the only hope to turn the tide so people of good character and sense can safely come forward to take the reins of a nation that is quickly becoming the Pariah of the World. Yet even so, millions of illegal immigrants are entering the country thinking this is where the hope of a sane and democratic home would be. How ill informed they may be–and as it is there is no industry beyond the war industry–perhaps Biden and his war cronies seeing the extra war fodder may well be needed.
And Obama–How or Why do you vote for these war criminals?
Among the most repugnant affronts to a free society are secret societies that includes crony systems designed for insider knowledge and facts hidden from public view. The government excuses that national security will be compromised if the public knows the facts is used so often that very little information is leaked to the public by these public servants that claim to have your basic safety as their greatest concern. Truthfully, as we see in the small amount of leaked information, their greatest concern is exposure of activity that too often either borders on criminal or is criminal action.
In order to make informed decisions and understand the motives and truth behind the political process we need facts. And the leaked facts have been ugly –so ugly that the perpetrators have taken vengeance against those revealers of the insider criminal activities.
And who are the recipients of this retribution? It is of course the Journalists foremost since they are a continual thorn in the criminal actions covered under classified information. Just about everything is classified–thousands of documents since a simple stamp of classification can make it a crime to look at not matter how insignificant the information. But classification is not the only means of protection afforded the secret crony insider “elites” or good ole boy crony organization. At Yarnell the cover up included mum orders by the Judges involved, threats of prosecution and persecution to those employees that wanted to talk, denial of FOIA information despite legal requirements to allow, black outs of pages of documents and pertinent information sent out on FOIA, and even public presentations of outright lies under the political rhetoric of disinformation, and certainly omission of facts so that the real truth of the death of the 19 GMHS crew story could never be sanctioned by the main cadre of Forest Officials–those who the Press believes and quotes and whose tainted versions were presented with honest masks.
So we see in the analysis of life that the secrecy, whether it be KKK, NAZI, Skull and Bones, Masonic, Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Politics, and the like–not so much the common low level member–but the hierarchies lies a festered group prone to deception. They believe their insider knowledge, their direct talk to God, and their grandiose opinion of themselves sets them apart so their believed profound wisdom mandates a closed loop of information kept away from public view.
The persistent truth seeker, that good Journalist that will not cow tow away his integrity, is seen as the terrible enemy–and to their false hoods and methods he/she is.
And so it is no wonder that the powerful will destroy certain of the good Journalists–as we saw in Assange and Snowden, and how a whistleblower, Hale, was given a 4 year prison sentence for his revealing of the International Crimes of indiscriminate killing of Civilians including women and children in drone attacks that were only 10% successful of killing the intended target.
The killing of the 19 GMHS crew was no small crime. It though, like the drone killings have been whitewashed into history much as the Catholic and Protestant abuse and killing of. native children were committed and minimized in Canada. This is life–the reality of it many would rather do the easy thing–do not rock the boat nor question those in the crony, elite, and political powers–just let the river flow as it will, yet can you not smell the sewage it has accumulated?
Slainte–may the good gods of the Irish bless your paths should they be blessable.
In some ways it is a good thing having both feet on an ice sheet and looking down into the eternal six foot resting spot. Who knows, one day someone may dig up my fossilized bones and say this fellow must have had a few enemies considering an ounce of these small BB’s and how his shoulder bones are in splinters and his ribs cracked. I smile at the thought–it will be good to leave a mystery to future anthropologists. I think of the ice man that was retrieved from the ice and we wonder how he got an arrow in the back after xrays showed an arrowhead stuck there. But in fact I have no enemies that I know of as that man might have had since it might have been a random killing if you look at how human nature preforms throughout history.
It has been no problem for our own leaders to murder thousands randomly–the hero journalist Julian Assange gave us information that proved the Obama warrior group were killing 90% of the people that were not even terrorists but proved to be women, children and other citizens not even members of the so called enemy that I believe were only warriors wanting our invading forces to leave their country. Aft er all, I can tell you even at my age should an invading army enter this country, I would take up arms to defend the sovereignty of our nation. So what gives us the right to invade these countries under what we now know were false pretenses?
The truth is hard to swallow for some, but even harder to stand for. Once a system gets embedded and power systems become tyrannies there is little hope to change them back to sensible and reasonable systems. Once in the crony system, if you want to continue your job and even your well being, you best not stand up for the truth. That was quite evident at Yarnell concerning the deaths of the GMHS crew of 19.
But also journalists and whistleblowers are on the black list of those to be shunned and where possible harassed, besmirched, and if the powers are strong enough even use means to persecute and prosecute with impunity. Something we see to be continuing against Assange –Biden after all was VP when Obama was doing all his share of the foreign murder incorporated.
Both profited greatly from their tenure–the war profits are immense–and we saw even the President of Kabul–a US educated crony escape with something like 140 million. We had an endless war going but the War Departments and people of clout connected were all gaining great wealth –about 2 Trillion over the 20 years there in Afghanistan. Albeit there was a cost of our young soldiers in the thousands not to mention the wounded and PTSD cases involved as an aftermath. The body count of the so called enemy was in the millions from these foreign wars–yet they are now back in control of their country just as they were in the beginning when Bush and cronies came up with a plan to incense the American Public so they would sanction war.
Clinton later had Ben Lauden in his sights several times–but his seals were told to stand down. It was not about killing Ben Lauden, it was about continuing the war and war profits. But these days, 20 years later, people and true and brave whistleblowers and journalists have exposed the criminality of it all and how the crony war system has ripped of the public taxpayer and murdered so many of our own brave men. The juggernaut and the crony system is so deeply embedded that little can be done about it from the citizen point of view. We have been sold a lie and deception.
On a smaller scale, Joy has been one of those that has incessantly needled those of the crony mentality concerning the deaths of the 19 GMHS so that she has of lately been getting flack. So many of her FOIA posting are on her web site now–and yes that is what she must expect for exposing the wrong that was done involving those deaths. A different story was mandated by those powers involved in the deaths and certainly anyone working in the FS or officialdom involved in the whitewash of the deaths dare not stand up for the truth. Some will even harass her in order to placate their bosses–how else can they continue their work and be promoted?
Life is not fair and truth does not always win the game. But it is the right way to live and be: however, it is a strong medicine for the soul and the right thing to do. Culprits will always be vengeful when exposed–their will to change is weak and their motives to remain a crony will be strong. God help their misery
Slainte Stay strong
he groundwater on Tucson’s south side has become so contaminated that Tucson Water will soon shut down the plant that’s been treating it for 27 years.
Although city officials say the plant has always delivered water that’s safe to drink, they can’t guarantee that any longer because of rising levels of chemical compounds known as PFAS in groundwater the plant is supposed to clean up.
EPA states that only 70 parts per TRILLION of PFAS are safe for drinking water. The Tucson waters are testing as high as 10,000 parts per Billion. These PFAC’s and PFAS chemicals are direct contamination runoff from fire retardants–higly concentrated in soils where fire men practice with their retardants and around air ports were these things are used in large quantities.
The plant, known as TARP, has served 60,000 customers in downtown Tucson and other parts of the city’s urban core with water that’s been treated to remove PFAS and two other contaminants, trichloroethylene (TCE) and 1,4-dioxane.
This is real–and the hundreds of thousands of gallons that were dumped on Yarnell are now soaked into the soils and you can bet have found their way through ground fractures into the ground waters. You better have the town waters tested and best to have an independent agency do the work considering the deceptions so prevalent in that county.
This is the shame of the fire fighting community and those in high positions that deal with the retardant. They seem to either be ignorant or are turning a blind eye to the dangers this retardant and its chemicals are to human health and the actual contamination to the environment it is causing.
You are better off using water for slowing fires than the highly profitable retardant, yet the greed of some apparently has many looking the other way. It is damned obvious when a Tucson water supply that supplies tens of thousands people has to be shut down due to retardant chemicals invading ground waters, people ought to realize the dangers.
This crap costs the tax payer anywhere from $3 to $5 a gallon and hundreds of thousands of gallons were dropped on Yarnell–billions of gallons now being used in California and elsewhere. But the real cost is ;the ruining of safe ground water supplies not to forget the contamination of ground soils and the creation of ocean dead zones. There is a wholesale destruction of water shed environment in Florida where ground waters there are being ruined on a grand level similar to that of the Tucson debacle.
You ought to realize that these chemical companies that work with and provide the retardant chemicals hidden secret formulae are making hundreds of billions out of their deadly chemical spreading. They are not about to tell the truth or go along with studies proving their chemicals are ruining environment, water supplies, health and ocean environments. The dead zones are not only the oceans, they include people dead zones that we witnessed in Yarnell, Arizona after the two inundations of the orange and red poisons.
We do not have the lobby monies–but I can tell you we will continue to speak about the dangers. I rather watch my house burn than suffer death because I went back to inhale and ingest the chemicals dumped on my residence and about my yard. Water is available–and yes winds disperse the water much more than that retardant–but I can tell you the retardant was almost 100% ineffective at Yarnell due to winds as well but they kept unloading it anyway. Never let a profit making situation go to waste no matter how useless the dumps are–right?
Well the choice is not ours–the dumping will go on and the fiction that these retardants are safe will continue–and there will always be the honcho that says look at the benefits–you can’t expect the benefits without the costs. But I say what horrible pain to endure for those benefits.
My email to Joy this morning:: Your photos are the clincher for causing some change on the retardant–they keep dropping it on homes as you see in California–more dead people–the homes not worth the lives and damage that shit causes. Tucson water supply is ruined and especially where the firemen practice near airport tarmac where the soil is so contaminated they are having to come in and dig it up–but it is too late the ground water is already above 10,000 parts per billion where EPA says 70 parts per trillion of the PFC’s is all that is allowable for safe drinking water. They have ruined their main water supplies for drinkability and have had to shut down some wells.
I will post this email since I am not well enough to stay at the computer that long. At least the part about your photos and Tucson water. You can bet Yarnell water by now has some bad in it as well the way they dumped hundreds of thousands gallons there.
So you see some of us are very concerned about the retardant chemical contamination situation. It is not only because our health has been directly affected by the chemical but because we have seen our neighbors suffer and have their lives shortened–sometimes in the most horrific way. Also, because I have been a long time underground miner for such huge corporations as Kerr McGhee, Standard Oil of Ohio, United Nuclear, Union Carbide –I realize how little concern there is for the health and safety of the miner–their profit producers they gladly use to the bone in the efficient manner possible to produce profits–health and safety will always be secondary to profits and disregarded where possible where they get in the way of production.
The fire fighter is a great hero to the country–much like the soldier and veteran of wars–he is willing to take the chances and even lay his life down for others. He/she deserves the truth and to keep it from him/her is the ultimate travesty of justice. Especially hiding secrets of chemicals under so called trade secret laws is an injustice. Information is with held –has main stream media made a big deal out of the ruining of Tucson Water Supplies by fire retardant chemicals. That should be bigger than the Epstein story–it has to do with the health and well being of all humanity not to forget the destruction of soils, environment, and causation of ocean dead zones.
It is obvious that media, as the political idiots, do not want to shake the funds from the huge corporations involved–those that own huge chunks of their corporate media stocks and fund the expensive political campaigns. It is a deadly animal created over time that feeds upon the poison it creates.
It will take facts and the protests of many to make any changes–these corporate entities control 60% of the wealth and their top dogs care less where they live or how your health is –the corporations and their 1% elite are without conscience. The way they see it, they can always get another miner or another wild land fire fighter or fireman-woman.
Be aware and thanks Joy, for the many photos you do to document events and help change things for the better. Those thanks to others documenting facts and exposing tragic circumstances hidden that need to be brought to light. That information helps others and saves health, environment and lives.
Slaiente (Health)
I received an email from one of the elder and wise wild land fire fighters whom has not only been on the lines of danger more than most but has for years managed crews and kept them safe and alive. His record was such that he also now has moved from manager of crews to that of safety training. I am certain he informed me about the way government–especially Biden and others are now forcing people to take the vaccine or loose their jobs. Will this removal of freedom of choice end and can we expect escalation?
Karl Brant and 6 other doctors were hung at Landsberg Prison on 2 June 1948.[ The reason being they were part of the “Doctors Trial” of the Nuremberg hearings concerning NAZI experiments on humans. They were guilty of participation in, Freezing, Malaria, LOST Gas, Sulfanilamide, Bone, Muscle and Nerve Regeneration and Bone Transplantation, Sea-Water, Epidemic Jaundice, Sterilization, and Typhus Experiments,
Because of their forced experiments the Nuremberg code concerning the use of humans in medical experiments was put forth with ten rules. The very first rule begins:. “The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential”..
Moreover information from Wikipedia informs us that: “Title 45 Part 46,[16][17] which are the regulations issued by the United States Department of Health and Human Services for the ethical treatment of human subjects, and are used in Institutional Review Boards (IRBs). In 1966, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights was adopted by the United Nations, and supposed to be in force by 23 March 1976. Article seven prohibits experiments conducted without the “free consent to medical or scientific experimentation” of the subject.[14] The Covenant has 173 states parties as of September 2019. ”
In other words experiments forced on humans without consent is prohibited by US and International law. These vaccines are experiments of a high order much as the dumping of unknown chemicals included with retardant was and is on residents and residential areas. You have no prior knowledge of how the vaccines will eventually react in the body no more than Yarnell residents knew about how those chemicals would react badly on their health. However, the general consensus is that the vaccines are working and good. The same concensus is on the retardant used in residentual areas. The latter proved to be wrong–Vaccines still have yet the time to be proven–they are still experiments in the experimental stages. There are unknowns as to the effects that may eventually evolve.
It is truly a crime to force people to take experimental vaccines or be subjected to chemical inundations of their property without consent. Certainly if you feel good and believe that the information bears out that you should be vaccinated then go too it. You might find that as they have, the first dose was not enough. So you can go get the second, and now there is a need for a third I understand. Or you can do as I do–and I am the one that may well die because I am in the highest possible risk category. I refuse to take the thing because of my own compromised health–even a vaccine could kill me–and if I do get Covid and die be assured there will be a big article man who excaped death by dog shooting and 6 heart attacks is now dead due to Covid–the fool refused the Covid Vaccine. Bill Gates will smile because it will scare more into the shot. Well if I did take the shot and bit the dust–you can bet it won’t be news.
But the major point here is that if you allow the government, Biden or any other fool to break the law by taking away your right to refuse medical experiments or any other experiment on you then that right will never be returned and what is the next thing the swat team will show up to force you to take? If you look at the experiment the Nazi’s were doing–they excused them in the name of science and the benefit of the human race–albeit the ARYAN generally. It is indeed criminal to enforce any medical experiment that an individual does not want to participate in.
Undoubtedly be careful and make your consent by informed decision related to your personal situation.
Slainte
There are two occupations I would avoid if I were to return to this life and start over. The occupations would be underground mining- uranium mining or coal mining especially, although that should include any mining. The second would be any type of fire fighting, structure fighting the worse. Those are two occupations guaranteed to shorten your life span whether you retire from them unscathed or not There are of course many very dangerous occupations I have not mentioned–for instance working in a retardant making factory or plastic forming industry–even smelling the insides of a new vehicle as it emits the many dangerous chemicals plastics diffuse into the air and people say they love shortening their lives by the new car smell.
I am very serious about these life shortening jobs. You might say well my Dad was a Uranium Miner that lived to the ripe old age of 80. And I will tell you he did it miserably with depleted health and in his case would have lived to 110 with a smile on his face instead of visiting doctors for his ill feelings and many remedies to keep him limping along.
With Uranium mining or Coal mining and even other types of mining we know where the problems come from and their results–cancer, COPD, silicosis, black lung and the like. With fire fighting there is very little said and what is told is not well advertised. The States and Governments do not like to add to their health benefits so much, scare people away from such occupations, and pay higher wages, nor let it be known how dangerous the lucrative chemicals used in fire fighting actually are.
Just as the Forest Service and the State of Arizona did everything possible to make the killing of the 19 an accident to save monies (each family I hope received at least a million for their loss)–so will the full knowledge of smoke dangers and the chemicals they add to it be down played. Just as every pack of cigarettes has a warning of its toxic effects to health, so should a fire fighter be warned. In fact each young man should be required a week or so study on what will happen to his life and family and the necessary health issues he will have to deal with later in life. It indeed will be a sacrifice he/she will have to make being a wild land fire fighter. Of Course such courses will be discouraged by the FS and States–they need bodies—and informed people will be loathe to take these jobs on and those that do will demand much higher wages.
The proof that these government agencies will drag their feet and continue using uninformed young people is already there. Take a look at the record of young Donut–the ex doper gone straight?–he knew nothing about wild land fire fighting safety, yet there he was stationed in a death zone and saved only by chance while the rest of his crew also were ignorant of the safe procedures in fire fighting, except perhaps their bosses who if they knew completely ignored them.
That example I put forth because even less informed about the disasters to health are people that enter these jobs. CO-Carbon Monoxide attaches to the hemoglobin in blood until it starves the blood of O2 so that the brain and other organs shut down for lack of life giving Oxygen. These people running the FS and government entities attach themselves to their crony system, money and power provided by funds of the chemical companies and by thier greed and sometimes ignorance and lack of education allow these disasters to continue. I am saying they knowingly allow in these cases the killing and sickness of the young uninformed people that enter these professions.
Donut is indeed a prime example and if you asked him about chemicals in smoke I can tell you he will have the same answer he did to safety procedures in wild land fire fighting–what chemicals–does smoke have chemicals he would say and it does not matter no more than the safety rules mattered. He was not trained, yet allowed to do the dangerous and health destroying work he did.
If you go read about the health effects of retardant you will see that there are no long time studies on it. Like cigarette smoking, you cough a little at first but then adjust to the smoke and your brain becomes addicted like the high of being a wild land fire fighter. Yet that cigarette habit in time will be the one thing you wish you never did. And were you more informed, you might not have ever started yet the tobacco companies will continue to hire psychologists and advertising propagandists to do everything in their power to convince you to keep smoking and lining their pockets with their ill gotten gain.
To the credit of Cigarette and tobacco companies, their product is a slower killer than retardant contaminated smoke and does much less damage to the environment and health of the oceans. It does not even kill fish and other aquatic life, although the plastic filters wind up as tiny particulates in ocean fish and other aquatic life.
The primary pollutants from wild fires list only those chemicals found in the smoke less the retardant additives. In truth the wild land fire figher faces as great or perhaps even greater health dangers than the structure fighter. The structure fighter is better informed of the chemicals he faces and is equipped with respirator and filtering systems to eliminate the toxins or at least partially–while the wild land fire fighter faces these fires and retardant fumes with no protection or very little under the belief that there is little or no danger to health.
However, because of the chemical additives to wild land smoke, you should know that you are being exposed to every toxin and perhaps even more than a structure fighter must endure. There are many hidden chemicals you do not even know about but the toxins from retardant smoke combined with the natural smoke makes a toxic combination that only a visit to Yarnell and the results of that inundation of retardant will alarm you to the dangers.
I believe among the highest danger is the cyanide gases produced, yet the phosphates, ammonium and other gaseous combinations with the unknown chemicals are producing toxins that have killed almost at a 33% rate in 7 years at Yarnell and sickened I would say all the rest of the population there to one degree or another. Some are ill to a very high degree–much as you see prolonged radiation cases after exposure.
These are of course my own informed opinions–do your own informing so you know where you stand should you do as I did–take on jobs that early on I did not know would eventually take their toll on my health.
Slainte–Only the Brave but sometimes foolish–Be Ye Better Informed
are gases–plural nouns require proper verbs. and d’s left off–whew proof read before posting–forgive me you English related blokes, us serfs from the Irish decents might mangle the English a bit but we have also forgotten our own language since the English outlawed it in Ireland for so many years. Language is interesting–the Sumarian language in written form is the only language that remains in its pure original form–that because it was written on thousands of clay tables that have endure the thousands of years of time–20,000 plus in many cases.
If you religious blokes would like an earlier unaltered version of creation predating the bible by thousands of years then you would be better informed to go to those earlier cuneiform tablet histories. Those libraries of clay tablets were mostly uncovered in southern Iraq–one of the reasons the Bush family and others of the Skull and Bones ilk and other educated Ivy league and tower types wanted access to. Knowledge is power–and especially when the rulers know things the common bloke does not.
However, Biden is removing the military and sources from Iraq due to a high degree of war intention directed at China. Also the Iranians have so damn many drones now that are hard to detect by our systems and the Iraqis are tired of our people bossing them around on their own lands. There are many Iraq residents well educated in the states–I know I attended the University here in New Mexico and there were many students there from Iraq and Iran–that was back in the 80’s so I do not know how the count is now.
Well what do you think? Does Biden and Company think we need a new war with China–he benefited like Midas from his and his son Hunter’s dealings with China–enough to make his family filthy rich. Hunter Biden the doper never had sense or clear enough thinking to do the deals–but he made a good front since politicians have to distance themselves from making money because of their position and influence. We wonder what China got out of the deals and has Biden now decided that it was only a pittance what his family gained from former deals. Well my opinions again–it is hard to know all but Hunter’s careless or dope minded loss of his laptop told much of the real truth (Hunter can’t tell if he left that lap top or it was his despite the many photos of him smoking dope and meetings mentioned he and Daddy did attend during life in the fast and lucrative lane of political life).
My opinions–no offense to Demos or Rhinos or Repubs of honest intentions.
You should not feel bad if you believe in aliens and UFO’s. The government has now admitted to their existence and even the incidents in Montana where UFO’s had hovered over missile silos and shut their electronic systems down. Russia had reported that they had the same experience except the UFO intrusion had done the opposite and turned their nuke system on ready to fire. The government says these systems can not be explained and the way they maneuver and can appear or disappear is a technology unknown to our scientists and engineers.
Whether Jesus is on any of these is also unknown but if you listen to Travis Walton and his 5 day experience near Heber, AZ you will see that there were both grays and individuals that would pass as humans–blond and about 6 Ft. in height. Where they took him and what they did to him is unknown except some of what he has memory of. Certain his 6 coworker timber fellers passed numerous lie detector tests and so did he–the Sheriff admitted later he had seen a craft much as they described it around the same time. People were afraid to talk about these things before but now that the government that said it was no longer investigating UFO phenomenon after Majestic 12 was shut down supposedly in 1969 has now admitted they continued their investigations.
But then when can you rely on the information and false information given out by federal agencies. However, the videos and stories put out now are real according to Luis Elizondo. Mr. Elizondo as a CIA agent has been head of the group investigating these UFO and Underwater unidentified craft and now has gone public. You have to know he is only letting us know some of the facts and explaining how these things are a threat to National Security when they can go into restricted Military Zones and shut down missile silos or follow ships around to observe their actions. Pilots attempting to approach or fire upon them have had their jet electronic controls shut off. Well one wonders if they are a real threat then they could easily take out an army or destroy at will with their obvious advanced technology. So maybe Jesus is on board one of these things and checking things out–though I have to believe it is the Irish Gods or the Sumarian Annunaki returning and watching things here. Whether they would intervene in a nuclear war to save the planet is questionable–seems they are hands off and allowing the war mongers to continue–Biden is now surrounding China with 140,000 American Troops and equipment staitioned on Islands about China. The English are screwing around in the Black Sea trying to get something going with Russia and who knows if the Israelis will nuke Iran or if Iran can get a nuke and hit Israel. Well the Bible does say if God does not intervene no flesh would be saved alive in the story of the Apocalypse and the work of the four Horsemen. Someone was wise enough in old times to realize that there would be a time when technology would come about and humans would eventually come to self destruct.
Meantime I did have a call from Joy–some more people dead from the retardant pollution at Yarnell. Go get her photo of a man whose yard was red from retardant–you will avoid that crap like the plague after you see what this retardant did to that man. It is scary what we allow under pretenses so that people profit.
I have wondered–is Luis revealing these UFO events so the government and CIA can justify more billions in planetary war defensive spending. More Star Wars justification to spend tax payer dollars to counter the alien threat?
Do we have technology to make these tic tack things operate without humans aboard. I know there is technology to do holograms–something I sometimes had thought might have happened in my own past experience.
Living near the very missile range–(it is only 30 miles to the border of it) anything unusual is suspect. There is a photo of Van Braun other NAZI’s and scientists–mostly of the 32 degree varieties together in El Paso celebrating some of their successes with missiles, etc. Russia perhaps got more of the NAZI scientists than we did–maybe they were behind the eventual production of the hyper-sonic missiles and their development of the H-Bomb, etc. Undoubtedly Hitler and his Thule Society had summoned up forces and the sciences to a point that his thousand year reign was about to come to pass.
The fascist nature of things is back upon us–again the gestapo under another alias has arrived. The Patriot Act–weed out the terrorists–generally those that are in Journalism these days–they are labeled troublemakers and traitor when they expose the crimes and criminals so abundant in certain circles of the political regime.
‘And what can we do–a vote does not count in a one system two party clones–but maybe the young can organize–it is their planet–but perhaps they will be befogged by the think tanks of control–I hope not.
So many titles and who made them up and for what reason? They appeal to the ego of people and give them roles to play–a guard and a prisoner–yet they are all prisoners made so by some higher intelligence that profits from the game either by amusement or lucrative gain or by power play. There is no escape on this plane of existence–the society was given the role whether, Russian, American, rogue, worker, elite, Jew or Muslim, or be it a queen of hearts. It is a trap unseen yet designed by that we do not see nor can we know.
We can not understand but we can feel and intuit–the good is inside us but there is an interference and a subtle force that would bind our freedom of existence. There is an escape and may it happen before the final escape which is no escape but a return to relive the same until the truth is found.
Slainte–that of mind first that directs all else.
This fellow named Boris Johnson of England is addle brained by purposely entering Russian waters with a war ship. The English would be speaking German today if it were not for the Russians.
Germany had tried taking on the Bear more than once as have other countries–even Napoleon gave it a try. Those Russian people have sacrificed millions to protect their country and only a fool country would attempt to invade their territory. England, is but a small Island now and even smaller considering the nuclear age. I hope the winds blow away from Ireland if Boris keeps up his bravado.
Hitler had tried two fronts–the western and the eastern fronts–It was the Russian front that ruined him. And now I know that the US is behind England and you know Biden had to be in on this provocation made with Russia. Do the British-American cohorts believe two fronts with the Russian and Chinese will be any more winnable than Hitler did against two fronts.
We have fools running our country–and England has nothing better. What happened that we have suddenly turned the Russians and Chinese into cold war enemies and even provoking them toward a hot war? Well we have laid aside at least half a trillion in monies to support war efforts and as undeclared funds go that is likely to approach a full trillion if it does not exceed. Those war monies need justification.
But the scary thing is when we see Russia provoked and at the same time we have been surrounding China with more than a hundred thousand of our young troops and entered their China Sea with a flotilla of war ships. We forget that in North Korea we were driven back to the sea by the Chinese–their country consists of over 3 billion people while we have only 350 million.
I do not believe we have the technology to keep out a nuke no more than England does. We could not even keep out 19 terrorists and several airplanes loaded and taking down the twin towers and even exploding on part of the Pentegon. Although evidence makes it appear that the event was staged as a false flag to cause a war with Afghanistan and Iraq–too many coincidences on that one and no one ever investigated how a building 7 could implode on its own yet was never hit with anything but some light debris off the towers.
So you though Trump was bad–well Biden is proving he can outdo even Trump with a smile and a vice to back him up with a hysterical laugh. Keep it up the way they are bad acting and those smiles may turn to woeful expressions of lamentation.
Whew–the mega fires are on and now we even see Canada having unusual fire activity. Australia is burning aplenty and New Mexico is hot–Is Arizona burned away yet and California has em movin out. You fellows in the wild land fire fighting profession look to be busy this summer and maybe even into the winter. And there is hope –Biden even wants to increase pay for the wild land fire fighter–they need extras now so are producing an incentive. The prisoner still gets a dollar an hour and that is likely docked at the prison–they figure a slave does not need much cash, just a good lashing now and again by the masochistic tendencies of the guard section.
Is there global warming? Well above 97% of Climatologists think it is already in action and if steps are not enforced to alleviate the carbon and other atmospheric pollution then at some point a nuclear reaction will take place– meaning critical mass will be met and the planet heating will react on its own with no possibility of detainment. That point Climatologists have determined to be somewhere between 2500 and 4000 ppm of carbon monoxide.
Some people believe Carbon Dioxide is an inert gas and such levels would not effect your health. Well look at this quote — “At concentrations of from 2,500 ppm to 5,000 ppm carbon dioxide can cause headaches. At extremely high levels of 100,000 ppm (10 percent) people lose consciousness in ten minutes, and at 200,000 ppm (20 percent) CO2 causes partial or complete closure of the glottis. Levels of 2,500 to 5,000 ppm do not normally occur in structures.” Safe levels in homes are rated at below 1000 ppm–that is less than one percent while levels are now at above 1% over the globe–in fact reported at 1.9 % by tests.
You see, CO, Carbon Monoxide poisoning is a cheap way to commit suicide unless you join a group of wild land firefighters with a boss such as Eric Marsh where you can get paid for the act. What happens is the CO grabs a molecule from the Oxygen in the air and in your lungs and runs the Carbon Dioxide level up in the air so that 20% level is reached where your brain can no longer function properly and of course death.
I think the problem with most of us is that we are ignorant of the true facts of things–something industries that put profits before health and life work hard to hide. Once you find such facts that the Dow Chemical Company has been dumping dioxin into the Tittabawassee River for more than thirty years you come to realize how insidious these industries act. They work all angles and even hire top psychologists to propagandize their work. It was sickening to see Trump celebrating with a hard hat at a plastic plant–part of his plan to make America Great again at one of the worst dioxin emitters and ocean and fish life destroyers on earth. Of course plastics require benzine and other chemicals–all excellent cancer starters and animal life killers. But don’t discount Trump–he means well for the economy–he is just about as ignorant of the effects these plastics have on the planet as he is about the use of fertilizers, herbicides and over use of fresh water supplies are on his golf courses. His eyeballs only see dollar signs–and that is what most people equate with greatness.
This world is screwed because these industries and the oligarchy and Banks that create money out of thin air and distribute it to you live where they want in gated and environmentally clean areas, more often other countries or something like the child molester island Epstein had and have no mercy for what they consider the low life and eater of the planet.
They are convinced, like Trump and Biden types, that they are going to do the right thing for themselves first and if they after draining 60% of the wealth have enough left over–give it to the low life. Well what do you expect when the industry Oligarchs own the media, the politicians, and their own scientists and psychologists.
However, their problem in many ways is the internet. You really do not need a bat hide to find facts to educate you. In fact you are better off without a bat hide since if they are not outright owned by big business, it is heavily influenced by endowments and even government politics and CIA operatives.
So yes–there was a dip in CO2 levels during the worst of the Covid restrictions. But cars and trucks are back on the road, industry is back doing its dirty work and life goes on with it attendant erosion of the ecosystem. Yet instead of 480 billion being spent on more nukes and war divices–why not take 80 billion and give America free solar panels–not free because your taxes pay–but a damn site better use of tax monies than building more war machines.
But then again with people like Boris Johnson poking at Russia and Biden sending great war fleets into the China Sea to antagonize China while at the same time bombing the Arab Nations we are almost certain to see the use of those war funds–and then whether we have solar panels or have stopped polluting and global warming will be just a mute point.
I had a long talk with my daughter–they bought their home for a million–it in the last year is now worth two million. They of course are moving into another home a bit more valuable–Fortunately their home is paid for–so a tidy profit. But then if you sell, then the next home purchase is going to be costly as well–However fortunate again for them since they can pay the upgrade and also her husband is an expert in Real Estate with business experience. Education and experience are great wisdom makers. But in Mining, Logging and Firefighting I would say go to the very old timer who managed to escape for much of your learning. It is safer being a cowboy if you stay out of Saloons.
Slainte
First paragraph should have read Carbon Dioxide–Monoxide is a short lived pollutant–Cow Dung give off methane as does decaying organic matter but Methane too is temporary if you consider ten years as temporary–However methane has many times the warming effects of CO2. In fact over a 100 year period methane has 34 times the effect on global warming climate change than C)2. That is why the Climatologists are so concerned about the permafrost thawing in the Arctic regions. There are 20 other pollutants our industries and modern life introduce into the atmosphere–such things as Lead, Nitric Oxide, fluorocarbon, ozone and so on. Nothing can be considered minor when it comes to destruction of the planet ecosystem, Do install an air conditioner even if you live in Oregon.
I was watching the news to see that millions were going to be evicted but the good willed President decided to give them a moratorium of a couple more months. It might not be a good time to own rental property, especially if you owe payments . Maybe the President will give them a reprieve too. But I doubt that unless they are too big to fail–i.e. the Billionaire class. Then they can get billions in bail outs at the expense of the tax payer.
I have been watching Africa–seems like those poor countries all have trouble finding decent leaders. This country now is also in a time of great change. Biden has said you better get used to minorities running things because the whites are now the minority. And that is true and more and more are entering the country. People are people but cultures do vary, educated here yes, but also there is the smell of bad odors in the air. I see a great revolution soon to break out. There is absolutely no way these moratoriums can be ongoing and people are very unsettled at this time.
It is the ultimate stupidity for Biden and cronies to be sending ships and armies to the China Seas considering the problems this country faces here at home. He has summoned about 6 nations into the China Seas all with their war ships all on the home Seas of China whom also owns the worlds largest and most technological Navy in the world. They of these countries summoned and pushed by the US to be there are highly likely to get a war going–it is a real crowd of war ships in that Sea right now.
Obama celebrating on his 12 million dollar estate–my is it not nice to be a politician. You start out broke and become a multi millionaire and the people of the nation fall at your feet–well at least many of them do. Well we saw his Vice President and Son visiting China and how well they have done under Obama’s approvals. And China has greatly gained as well–especially in the field of technology and deals to sell us cheap goods and attract manufacturing firms from here to China. Hunter can’t remember if he left that lap top or not–but Big Daddy was only getting 10% for his own coffers–but the monies had to be split around to those entities that allowed this transfer of technology for wealth. But the Biden group were not the only ones sharing technology for perks–Bill Clinton openly did it–much like his sexual tirades that continue even to the Epstein Island crimes.
But some are exempt from criminal charges–if they know the right people and have the goods on them as well.
It is going to be a rough ride forward–you see people have cleaned out the ammunition shelves so many intuit something drastic.
You see Obama used the espionage act to punish journalists who had revealed the nasty truth of the political, military and secret undercover works. It was more use of the act than any President before. So his Vice President was readily aware of all that going on during his time of 8 years there and a life time as a politician benefiting from the crony system. Do not expect any changes in decent and honest people in the ruling class. It is not going to happen–this world of greed and millionaires trying to become billionaires and power mongering will not change-they really do not see beyond their own selfish interests.
Change will come however. And do not forget that this country did go though a civil war that these political hacks are guilty of fomenting at home while they continue to play war games abroad and attempt to manage the affairs of other sovereign nations.
Most of the wild land fire fighters will be OK–they are a tough bunch and again will be the front line fighters when the shit hits the fan and it will. One thing –when there are problems, these are the men that this country will have to depend upon to try to restore sanity. Yet it is going to cost heavily in lives and sacrifices. The corruption has gone too far and is beyond the threshold so this must happen even though we would wish not.
It is better to understand a situation and truth about it than to bury your head in the sand. Patrick Henry had it right–give me liberty or give me death–this life is a fleeting thing and so it his been with liberty. That will and must change.
I said men of the wild land fire fighter group–but women as well. If you look at the history of women in the Russian War when it came to defending their homeland, there were many decorated female warriors–those you would have never expected to lay in the mud and trenches or stand the cold of the Russian front with rifle in hand. They were the best of snipers as well–some with over 500 enemy kills. So I do not discount the ladies when it comes to defending their country.
Although Eric Marsh put his men at unnecessary risk and against objections of Jesse Steed, who apparently had greater knowledge of safety rules, Steed did finally cave in after threats to his job status. But allowing dangerous Marsh types to boss appears to be a habit in the FS hiring procedures.
Gary Olson in an interview states he was put on as crew manager at the young age of 22. He also says he came close to killing his crew at least three times. He did not and over time became knowledgeable and an expert at wild land fire fighting. But it goes to show how little the Forest Service cares for the lives of the wild land fire fighter when this sort of practice is allowed. Of course Marsh was much older at 45 and perhaps had a bit more experience than Gary when he took the job as a crew boss. He, however was an extreme risk taker-so much so he demanded Steed bring the men down off the mountain into what Steed knew was extremely dangerous act and something that cost the lives of the GMHS crew.
Certainly you can ask any young wild land fire fighter if he would boss a crew and he would more than likely accept. But that does not make it right and in the final there is definitely going to be a young whippersnapper that acts like Marsh did and takes his crew into spots they should not be by all common sense and where a long experience wild land fire fighter would know better.
I can tell you that Gary is a well educated and respected wild land fire fighter and he would more than likely tell you that he is fortunate to have gotten his crew out alive in certain instances while he was learning the nature of wild land fire fighting. I do not think these days he would advise any young man to go work in wild land fire fighting under a very young inexperience boss or one that is a high risk taker willing to break all rules of safety taught in wild land fire fighting.
So covering up of the Yarnell debacle that killed the young GMHS crew is the ugliest action one can imagine since it allows the sorry practice of putting dangerous or inexperienced people in charge of the lives and safety of their subordinates.
These are my opinions, but if I had a grandson that wanted to enter wild land fire fighting I certainly would inform him of how the Forest Service does so little to protect its wild land fire fighters by hiring unqualified or even dangerous risk takers that would get you killed. You better learn about that boss and find out what his record is if possible–and if you see any boss is ignorant enough to drop you off in a box canyon full of dead brush with a fire at a lower elevation and a storm brewing about to change wind direction–walk off from the job.
The problem is that peer pressure keeps the young man from refusing and maybe also because he needs the job. Miners are more independent because they work alone or just with one helper so I have been able to walk off when I saw that a rat hole was about to cave and catch me. In wild land fire fighting I can see how hard that might be since you likely would be black balled or criticized as a pansy for doing so. Life is too short to become a dead Hero because some boss wanted you to protect structures with a 5 gallon piss bottle on your back and that even in a mega fire that obviously nothing could stop–not even the poisonous retardant and certainly not a five gallon piss bottle.
You in a way can not blame Marsh–who would put such a man in charge of these young men? Certainly Jesse Steed would not have killed the men had he been left to be the boss without coercion These things need to be told and known so they are changed. People and Judges that put in mum orders to hide the facts are depriving the loved ones, tax payers, and most importantly allowing high risk bosses to continue. .
This is why I applaud Joy and all the others that have demanded the truth. Gary Olson and his honesty has done much to expose the bad practices he knows are evident in the wild land fire fighting profession. He with other older retired wild land fire fighters are the ones that can correct these problems and the ones I would want to send a son or grandson to for some wisdom on how to stay alive and what bosses to work under considering the terrible hiring practices used in wild land fire fighting circles. Do not count on those survivors that are threatened or widows of dead fire bosses attempting to protect reputations that balk or are afraid to change anything. We can only pity them when they fudge the story.
You will wonder why I would consider a story from a Sri Lankan news agency. What does it have to do with wild fires–Definitely and and some terrible ones–more billions profits for those poisoning these people–there they are fed the same baloney as to how wonderful the retardant is–saving homes and then polluting the beaches there just as in Australia, The US and many other countries . But whoever heard of Sri Lanken wild fires?–an opportunity for a wild land fire fighter to get away from this US should he/she want. Global warming is at hand and fire fighters are hard to find.
And considering that Canada too is now experiencing considerable wildfire activity, know that there are other stories ablaze there–here is a copy paste from a Sri Lankan New Agency:
“Why have no human rights champions the angels fighting for people’s rights questioned what happened to 10 indigent children of the Canadian Kamloops Indian Residential School who went on a picnic on 10th Oct 1964 with Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip and did not return.
These 10 join a list of 50,000 other missing children from 80 Indian residential schools that had been run by the Canadian Government and the United Church of Canada.
Known as the ‘Canadian Holocaust’ Canada cannot escape or hide from questions that surround the whereabouts of 150,000 Native Canadian children who had been forcibly removed from their homes and kept in church-administered residential schools between 1864 and 1984.”
I have to say that there is yet one leader of a religious organization or leader of a country–most recently of course in the past 40-60 years of Presidents and include those reptiles ruling England that when their actions and secret life and means to control are bought to light would sicken any decent citizen. Even Jesus said to harm the little ones is the most atrocious act imaginable. So what have they done with those little ones they did not massacre and hauled off to England or other parts of the world–perhaps Epstein Island or the Isle of Mann.
The higher the ladder the more the corruption–600 years of Inquisition and records of it that weigh into the tons–Napoleon had captured the secret files listing of all the torture and murdering of those deemed incorrigible. That Inquisition in some countries continued up until the 60’s in some countries and undoubtedly is part of some connivance when we see the connection to these missing Indigenous Children of Canada that were forcibly removed from their families then found to be missing and now many buried in mass graves throughout Canada–Why hasn’t the main Media been in an uproar about this?
We have too much rot in our systems of Authority–Look at how the Forest Service and the State and Government agencies and their minions order mum to those that knew about the slaying of the GMHS crew? They are allowed to cover up their tracks because their reputations and the cronies they are associated with are demanding that their reputations not be tainted and as would be with the Queen and associated reptiles–you best be quiet about it. In either case your job security will go down the toilet and if you are in Media, you likely will find yourself so blackballed you may find yourself in a forced suicide event.
Julian Assange and Snowden are messengers of good–angels that watched for and exposed the ill deeds of those that can not stand to be exposed for their crooked and murdering ways. Have you seen Biden do the right thing? Hell no–look at his past record that his Son revealed–do you think he wants a messenger to expose his dirty laundry?
The messengers that look out for the people, the environment and what is right and proper ever willing to expose the scoundrels who would Mum the good Journalist are messing with Angels–and they should well deserve their dues. Do not allow these autocrats and so called good leaders demonize the Messenger. The Good Messenger belongs to the people–not to the crony system.
Slainte–may the good gods of the Irish light your paths be ye doers of good.
Yes I write under the moniker “charlie” and this was a post I copied and pasted.
I appreciate your comment–I do write much toward informing people about the chemicals in that retardant–you see so much being dumped but if people knew the poisons involved and especially the phosphates and how they are killing the eco system with it and the others, it would be banned. But EPA officials are bought off–well known if you are an EPA official at the top level you will be guaranteed a job on the board with big pay on the chemical companies involved–in fact some have even left the EPA to go over to better pay in the Chemical Industries.
As little as a tousand gallons dumped into the Fall River in Oregon killed 6 miles and 20,000 fish. Anything that deadly–if you google Florida Phosphate Mines abandoned and see some of the beaches strewn with ocean fish so that no human can go there, you can see the damage from phosphate. Phosphate and ammonium–what they use in these retardants is the feed for red ocean dead zone algae. But they add hidden chemicals under trade secret laws and God and only a few are allowed to know what they are.
So I had written EPA about the deaths at Yarnell and you know that included my own. Something in the retardant causes increased cholesterol and the many heart attack deaths that were soon being seen in many at Yarnell after those hundreds of thousands of gallons of the Orange and Red retardant were dumped on the town. It is made in designer pink now–maybe because I have written so much how it mimics agent Orange defoliant even to the color.
If you google Investigative Media Yarnell Fire and click on XXX1 you will see charlie’s tirade against the chemicals in retardant. Perhaps some person’s health may be saved by reading about the chemicals involved–they indeed are deadly and perhaps even worse when you were an eye witness to those people that I greeted daily at Yarnell turn from robust healthly people to within a short time either cadavers or ill people barely able to function. Within the first year there was a death in nearly every home up and down my block–some like the librarian did not die but were suffering open heart surgery and on the list of those in depleted health.
Reality is sometimes sad but the worse sadness comes when nothing is done to inform the public and especially the wild land fire fighter of what he/she faces concerning health issues. The young can tolerate the chemical contamination–it is cumulative toward bad effects on health–but the elderly, the fish and aquatic life, the ocean and the eco system can not. They are immediate victims–and the ocean being on the brink of disaster at this very moment. When any ocean fish has plastic micro particles you know we are in trouble.
I will post this one as well–you are the finest person I know and I am so proud you are my daughter. You are an example of what a good person should be.
Thanks, love Dad “charlie”
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The post about Dr. Leroy Anderson would include the Yarnell Fire that Joy reminds me was even more soaked with retardant than even the Tenderfoot fire. The horror Dr. Leroy faced during his last days can only be imagined after seeing his photo a few weeks before his death at the last of June. I will be facing removal of another tumor on Sept. 2–by the grace of the good gods of the Irish I have not yet suffered the fate of Dr. Leroy. That is if it can even be called fate when your yard is soaked with some of the worst chemical toxins and some that are not even identified due to trade secret laws made to protect the industry from legal battles. It is evident that some of the chemicals fertilize cancer–my own have been agressive and when you are older, cancer is a slower killer unless jump started and fed by various chemicals–flourocarbons being among the worst but among the best fire retardant chemicals. Flourocarbons are great cholesterol precipatators–that ought to be evident from the extreme fireman’s plague of heart deaths and many of those at early ages.
I have written Senator Karen Fann. As much as 15% of the retardant is hidden chemicals under the trade secret laws. Only a licensed Medical Doctor can find them out and he/she dare not tell the public what they are or be at risk of being sued and loss of license. I am hoping Senator Fann will address the issue–we need to know what those hidden chemicals are. It is criminal to inundate residences and living areas with dangerous unknown chemicals. We should be entitled to know anything spread upon our residences and working areas, now especially with the dismal record of illness and death at Yarnell after the two wildfires of 2013 and 2015. You would take this seriously if you saw a photo of the horror that Dr. Leroy endured for months until his death this past June. I did send her a photo–and it is something you can only view for a few seconds-a real heart breaker knowing the value of this man’s life.
In some way I am one of the guinea pigs of Yarnell–the cabin I lived in there had been painted red as well. And you damn well know I fell dead with a heart attack some months after the wild fire–as did that whole street just about. Some were fit people before the fire–ones like Flippen and the Librarian and even Bret Yodel being a young quadriplegic did not look that bad. Flippen was a young 50’s robust man many would know since he attended all the town meetings after the fire–he was dead of a heart attack only about a year or so after the second fire. The Librarian had to have open heart surgery only months after the fire. That went for another Anderson not related to Leroy that we had stayed with in the gym during the Fema military shut out of people from entering Yarnell.
But I say a guinea pig because after 6 heart attacks and 6 heart stints from cholesterol deposits blocking arteries, i finally sold that cabin and left Yarnell. After several years away from that chemical jungle I have had 3 recent–once a year for the past three–catheters into my arteries and heart. because of extreme pain mimicking past heart attacks. Each time the doctors have concurred that my arteries look clear–I have not again had the cholesterol build up. But on the other hand these cancers have escalated in frequency and aggressiveness.
The reason I write about these things is because it is any persons duty to warn people of the dangers of the chemicals the State, Forest Service, and the Oligarchs making billions in retardant profits are doing without qualms.
Most of the people left in Yarnell realize by now that something is not right concerning the excessive illness and death since the Retardant dumps in hundreds of thousands of gallons on the town. I do hope Senator Fann will propose legislation to keep this retardant away from residential areas. Fish are not the only thing it kills–and we certainly need legislation to access all the chemicals that were dumped on that small village of 645.
I had asked Joy to list people that deceased since the fire along with those known to be ill- for instance the cheerful and robust couple of Raul and Teresa–soon unable even to make it to their front gate after some months of the retardant drops. She has rightfully been heavily involved with the GMHS fake news problem and I understand since we were the last civilians to see them alive and even were only minutes before on the two track at the exact spot they went down. ( I found a melted ball of pink tape right on that two track that would have marked the exact place Marsh had left where he wanted then to descend–Dr. Ted Putnam was with us on that hike). The point is I do hope if Senator Fann finds interest that Joy Collura would be consulted since she knows every individual by name in that town and most of those that have fallen ill or died since the wild fires. Many had moved away after the fire so their health would be unknown–though likely close to normal if they did not hang around Yarnell any significant amount of time.
Slainte–keep working the good works.
There was a probable link to Perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) exposure for diagnosed high cholesterol, ulcerative colitis, thyroid disease, testicular cancer, kidney cancer and pregnancy-induced hypertension.
Flourine and its compounds are among the most highly toxic substances on earth. The PFOA’s are found to be in everyone’s blood these days. The chemical industry Due to the surfactant properties of both PFOA and its related non-polymeric surfactants, applications exist for the use of these substances, e.g. fire-fighting foams, wetting agents and cleaners. Side-chain fluorinated polymers provide durable water, oil and stain repellence and find use as surface finishes for textiles and apparel, leather, paper and cardboard, paints, lacquers and other uses (non-woven medical garments, floor waxes, and stone/wood sealants, thread sealant tapes and pastes, adhesives, products for apparel).
Undoubtedly one of the secret ingredients will be some form of the Carboon-Flourine compounds that are not biodegradable and because the chemical industry has used these profusely and without concern dumped these compounds into the environment since the early 40’s, the soils and waters, humans, land animals and sea creatures all have high levels of contamination. The EPA has had over the years little regard for controlling these compounds and they continued to be used in teflon, plastics, fire retardants and the many other places aforementioned.
If you notice the concentrations in humans causes high cholesterol–these flouro carbons are cumulative in the human system–so you can see how that so many died at Yarnell from heart attack–my own was from clogged arteries. The high incidence of cancer is also a factor there–since the fire my own cancer problem escalated to a high degree–nine were taken off my body and face–some tumors required as much as nice stitches and I am scheduled again to get more removed. I have to believe that people were also degraded in their lung functions as well from these flouro carbon chemicals.
Fish are immediately killed by these chemicals. And now we are seeing birds in 6 states– Kentucky, Maryland, Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, and Washington, D.C. You can bet that they are victims of the chemical poisoning of the environment. As a miner well knows, a canary is often taken underground to test the air–they sicken and die from bad air or chemicals giving a human ample time to escape the area. In the case of chemicals we can outlast the bird quite a while–at Yarnell many lasted 6 months to a number of years before death arrived. The birds there were scarce eventhough some would fly in but you can bet many did not fly out.
So EPA is really no help–the chemical companies have them bought off. They have no restrictions on PFOA’s but they do suggest that water ought not have more than 77 parts per million. The chemical companies have people pretty well propagandized just as the tobacco companies still are able to convince many that they should enjoy a smoke and look like the Marlboro man riding off into the sunset. A fitting thing since he is definitely riding off into the sunset of his life–yet the psychologists and propagandists will continue their assault on life and environment for the profits.
The fluorides and fluorine are sometimes hauled by airplane. The pilot or anyone getting near the yellow and distinctly skull and crossbones marked containers must be handled with special gloves. If anyone even touches these containers they are required to immediately report to medical people and make a report of the incident.
And with all this contamination of our lives the medical people pretend they do not understand why there are so many cancer cases. Well light up a cigarette and think about it.
And meantime Biden made promises to the wild land firefighter to increase the pay but he and his gang refused the idea of a $15 minimum wage while the wealthy billionaire group increased their wealth by 1.3 trillion during the covid crisis while the common bloke was given a 1400 check that he lied about (it was promised to be $2000). Their checks went to rent or credit card debt while their income taxes are due to be increased above 14% as the Bezos types pay almost none. Well why should they –they have bought these politicians and own them so that all laws will favor the rich.
And now you have a War Secretary that served on the Board for Ratheon–no wonder that Biden is expecting a few more billion to add to the half trillion alloted already. After all the war industry that Ratheon, Boeing and other war industries are all that is left. Clinton and Obama sent all the industries off with Clinton’s NAFTA promotion. And Biden was quite a supporter of that and the Patriot Act and Obama’s promotion of the Army as now a police force. The rich and powerful are running scared–they are worried that the common man is getting tired of being fleeced, lied to and poisoned by the chemical industries.
It is a sad world when when even the justice system is in line with the wealthy and this country continues to build new prisons. But then the system is set up to add more prisoners–charge a poor man with a charge like the war on dope–and he is going to take a plea deal every time. Three strikes and he is a permanent resident in the criminal system. Yet if he goes to a jury –if he can afford it–then the judge will make an example of him and give him a harsh sentence. They only want plea deals so you have plenty of people–more than 50% that are there on trumped charges and had never been convicted of a violent crime. But educating them in prison and embittering people is part of the game of control by fear.
The only change that might make change is all out protesting. It stopped the Viet Nam killing–but I do wonder if it would matter now. As far as I can see we are over a threshold and the birds are talking to us while Biden and his War Secretary arrange for more money to distribute to the War Industrial giants and meantime create more false justification for war profits. It is more than the birds that are sick.
Slainte
I should refer you to RT news about the nuclear classified leak by Daniel Ellsberg concerning the way the War Department had intentions of nuking China as far north as Shanghai. Dr. Ellsberg was a graduate of Harvard and here is a bit from Wikipedia “Ellsberg worked in the Pentagon from August 1964[6] under Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara as special assistant to Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs John McNaughton. [At this point of Lyndon Johnson’s escalation into the Vietnam War, Ellsberg would later discover the lies and subsequent cover-up of the “non-attacks” upon the USS Maddox, in the Gulf of Tonkin (“by North Vietnam”), which led to bombing raids into North Vietnam on August 2 and 4, 1964, under orders by President Lyndon B. Johnson. This unprovoked attack upon North Vietnam followed Senator Barry Goldwater’s presidential campaign statement where he stated that Johnson was soft on Communism, “no matter where it is!” Johnson’s actions risked bringing Chinese forces into the war.”
The result of uncovering the lies being fed the public and the costs of so many young soldiers being brought home in body bags led Ellsberg to reveal the facts. It could have cost the former marine 115 years since he was charged under the espionage act. He was not convicted and his actions have over the time encouraged others to leak information when crimes are being committed by government agencies–and you have to applaud such bravery that has exposed so much chicanery and save so many young American lives. The powers the be care less about the lives they destroy, and just as we saw at Yarnell they seem to have no inkling as to how their falsehoods affect families and friends and future lives that are lost due to these connivers.
The Ellsberg revelation of the 1958 readiness to nuke China has to be again in force and China would know that. They have had that information since 1971 and are now rolling out their stealth bomber thanks to the Clinton Clan that shared that technology and much more war secrets to China. But have you heard anything from the main media about this?
And now you have Daniel Hale sentenced to 4 years in prison for whistle blowing about the civilians being killed by indiscriminate drone attacks. Over 90% of those killed by the attacks are non-combatant citizens of those Arabian countries and more often than not the drone attacks do not kill the intended target. This has angered the whole of the whole of the Muslim community while the American public has been kept in the dark about the real actions of the military complex.
We see the darkness of it all by the appointment of Lloyd Austin as Secretary of Defense. He has a lustrious history having served 41 years as a military graduate from West Point. He had been retired for four years and here is a bit of his history “Lloyd Austin’s ties to Raytheon After Lloyd retired from the Army four years ago, he joined the board of directors at United Technologies and opened a consulting firm. In April, United Technologies and Raytheon merged, which makes Austin a member of Raytheon’s board. ” You know that Ratheon i”sells everything from missiles and jet engines to ejection seats and radar systems to all branches of the US military. According to the Project on Government Oversight (POGO), Raytheon maintains government contracts worth more than $16 billion. ”
So you see that Biden has chosen a man representing, not the public interests but the interests of the huge military industrial complex promoting war and the profits to make Mr. Austin’s stock prices and side benefits go up. He, like Obama will have a 12 million or more estate to bask upon and at the cost of how many lives for these profits? But is the main media pointing out what is really going on?
Instead Daniel Hale is going off to prison for 4 years for revealing crimes of the war department, Ed Snowden is holding out in Russia, and Assange is persecuted. These powerful people detest the fact that they are public servants being exposed for their criminal actions–and the public media is in bed with them. You should know that Obama used the espionage act 9 times to attempt to quash his crimes–but he now is lauded as a great President retiring with a 12 million dollar reported nest egg (likely more like 100 million) while the Presidential salary amounts to $400,000 a year. And in fact, there is no accountability for the America young lives he and those before him have sacrificed to gain those fortunes–not to mention the millions of civilian lives of citizens of other countries that have been wholesalely wrecked under some terrorist threat that was concocted to bring us to war.
Yet it is the whistle blowers and those journalists and truth sayers bold enough to expose the crimes in these high offices purporting to represent the public. Should the main media expose these crimes the public would be outraged and demand better and honest leadership. Yet instead they play all sorts of word games including omission of facts, distortions and diversions with what I call non-news to avoid the realities of truth.
And do not think that Biden, as mentally challenged from the onset of dementia or Alzheimers, knows damn well the connection of his Secretary of Defense and the War Industries hungry for profits at the expense of lives and now even the possibility of nuclear war.
You have to believe if you have any common sense at all or certainly if you have ba hides in Psychology that these people running the War Departments are living in illusions and are a sick bunch to boot. But then if you are a Psychologist you would know that power and greed puts blinders on people so they become infused with grandiose machinations. They even convince themselves that their criminal actions are in fact benevolent favors to those they purport to serve.
Well I for one am not convinced and too many these days are informed enough to protest. But how many still among the masses are dimmed down by the educational system and the media all owned and manipulated by the power brokers?
Get your garden started–you will need the greens and potatoes–expect the markets shelves to dry up and those checks to continue to buy less. You will soon be able to light your Camel with a hundred dollar bill and not feel too bad since it will soon be destined to only buy a loaf of chlorine bleached and depleted white bread.
Slainte–if you avoid the retardant and other Chemicals and the powers that have us flooding the China Seas with our young military allow.
Again–written and printed without proof reading–that Queen is likely to send a letter of defamation for abusing the English language. Also, do not think that Biden does not know about his Sec of Defense connections–and drop the allow, etc. But I know most that read this have flinched a few times at the errors–my apologies but I believe spontaneity is better than a few typo errors. Maybe a new keyboard is in order and a new left hand would help. May your gods bless your paths if they be true and deserving.
To understand the modern day Christian idea of imperialism and the Catholic doctrine of Discovery our modern day school history lessons would rather you not see. Here is the Catholic Bull put out by Pope Nicholas V that explains why 5,000,000 slaves were already in America even before the declaration was signed. The Protesting Daughters of the Church started with Martin Luther agreed with that particular doctrine and said why not and the doctrine is continued even to this day and even explains the invasion of Irish peoples, their time of famine as the English invaders fared well, and the invasions of South America, America and Canada where natives were treated as non-souls to be exploited or extinguished if convenient–or preferable. Spain and Portugal did their pillaging, raping and slave trades in full accordance and under direction of the Bull of Discovery while Protestants followed in full agreement with the Papal Order. This history is not taught in any school but then the truth where it is not convenient to the powers that be will always be omitted.
This Bull is easily found on line these days so you can read it as a direct order from God and Christ as transmitted though the Vicar of Christ, that Pope and any that follow.-[ if you be a Christian Catholic–it has been followed diligently and sometimes gleefully by those that have enjoyed inflicting injury on non-Christian culture and the spoils of invasion.
Pope Nicholas V issued the papal bull Dum Diversas on 18 June, 1452. It authorised Alfonso V of Portugal to reduce any “Saracens (Muslims) and pagans and any other unbelievers” to perpetual slavery. This facilitated the Portuguese slave trade from West Africa. The same pope wrote the bull Romanus Pontifex on January 5, 1455 to the same Alfonso. As a follow-up to the Dum diversas, it extended to the Catholic nations of Europe dominion over discovered lands during the Age of Discovery. Along with sanctifying the seizure of non-Christian lands, it encouraged the enslavement of native, non-Christian peoples in Africa and the New World. “We weighing all and singular the premises with due meditation, and noting that since we had formerly by other letters of ours granted among other things free and ample faculty to the aforesaid King Alfonso – to invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens and pagans whatsoever, and other enemies of Christ wheresoever placed, and the kingdoms, dukedoms, principalities, dominions, possessions, and all movable and immovable goods whatsoever held and possessed by them and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery, and to apply and appropriate to himself and his successors the kingdoms, dukedoms, counties, principalities, dominions, possessions, and goods, and to convert them to his and their use and profit – by having secured the said faculty, the said King Alfonso, or, by his authority, the aforesaid infante, justly and lawfully has acquired and possessed, and doth possess, these islands, lands, harbors, and seas, and they do of right belong and pertain to the said King Alfonso and his successors”. In 1493 Alexander VI issued the bull Inter Caetera stating one Christian nation did not have the right to establish dominion over lands previously dominated by another Christian nation, thus establishing the Law of Nations. Together, the Dum Diversas, the Romanus Pontifex and the Inter Caetera came to serve as the basis and justification for the Doctrine of Discovery, the global slave-trade of the 15th and 16th centuries, and the Age of Imperialism.
The full Bull can be read in English and the origional Latin if you are educated in the language. It should bring you to an understanding of why we continue to believe that the Christian way of Discovery and proselytizing foreign cultures is no more than a method of increasing the wealth and power of those interested in world domination. You can understand also why the Catholic Church was not adverse to smuggling NAZI’s out of Germany after the war–Hitler after all was a life long Catholic and those of that religion were safe as long as they went along with the Fuehrer and the Bull.
I do believe if people understood more of why this nation is so aggressive and war prone in its attempts to promote its Greatness and enforce its way on other nations we would demand the Biden and Trump types to back off. Our industries have been given away–mostly to China but also other cheap labor countries and they will not be brought back. That does not mean we do not have the resources and strong and intelligent people so we do not have to be the dominant world force or a pack of Christians or others still practicing the Bull edicts of imperial rape and force against weaker countries.
Many of these cultures were thousands of years older than Christianity and live and do well without the imperialistic ways. Some such as the Hindu religion discourage any such method of imperialism but respect every human as an equal on a journey of learning and respect to all life.
Education can be a great thing but only if all the truth are known and allowed. The use of omissions of truth and half truths are ways the powers use to control the masses and bring about the wars and divisions and promote the ongoing imperialism this country has continued to do. Perceptions based that way can and does manipulate the general public to engage in endless wars just as Biden and his war lord Secretary of War are presently engaged in. Those troops belong at home, not the China or Black Sea. And should China or Russia send their war ships into the Gulf of Mexico then we should put them in the cross hairs of our missiles.
So may the good gods of the Irish put some sense into these Criminal Minds we have as leaders–though I suspect they will set and watch the melee. Namaste and Slainte
From ProPublica–independent investigative news reporting under “Near Misses” “The mouse infected with a lab-created type of SARS coronavirus was squirming upside down, dangling by its tail as a scientist carried it to a weighing container one day in February 2016. But the mundane task turned dangerous in seconds inside the North Carolina laboratory, which has drawn scrutiny for its partnership on similar research with China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology.”
Very little is said about the Chapel Hill Lab, Level 3, gain of function experiments that have all along been carried out under the WHO auspices and under Fauchi’s authorization here as chief of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in the US. The lab at Chapel Hill was working with China under Chinese and American funds to invent the gain of function Covid virus strains. There were several instances of health violations there including the one involving the gain of function SARS virus and that mouse bite. The Lab refused to divulge information on the other Lab incidents. And of course, Covid 19 is made by gain of function of the SARS Virus. SARS is not so virulent and the purpose of gain of function is to make SARS a virulent virus and that was accomplished by US and China funds resulting in the Covid 19 and several of its mutant varieties.
Looking at the statistics–China shows 94,842 cases with 4,636; deaths by August of 2021. The US has 38,790,295 cases up to now with 634,157 deaths. Politically we are pointing the finger at China despite our own Fauchi authorizing the gain of function experiments that were going on and well documented at Chapel Hill in North Carolina and as well at Ft. Detrick, MD. You will note that soon after the virus outbreak, FT. Detrick was shut down during the Fall of 2019 after a vaping disease and an unusually large outbreak of the Flu Virus across the US. That of course, like Chapel Hill is another secret set up–but the satellite images show a complete destruction of buildings and now remodeling of the facility.
There are several plausible scenarios but one thing is certain–government will continue to lie. Here our politicos are doing everything possible to demonize China so it is going to cover up any idea that the virus outbreak is as much our fault as the Chinese fault. We after all were funding the gain of function virus along with China. We have at least 11 Labs of level 3 and level 4 such as Ft. Detrick and as you saw a lady scientist bitten by an infected mouse was not quarantined of a mouse that had the gain of function SARS virus. She well could have been one that shows almost know symptoms, yet carried the virus to people outside the lab that do show symptoms. This Covid 19 took some time to identify since it mimics the flu virus in many ways. And as well, that Chinese doctor that went back to Wuhan may well have been infected right at the Chapel Hill Lab where she and others were doing these gain of function experiments.
If you look at the time of recognition, the Chinese time was set at the last part of December while the US time of recognition was set at January 20. These dates are very close but the real odd thing is that China only has 4,636 deaths vs. the US 634,157 deaths. That is one hell of a difference considering our population. Well you can say China if fudging the numbers and has a Communist totalitarian regime. I would say no more totalitarian than our own and certainly no more secretive than our own system. Last year 15.6 million documents were classified while information from Classified documents requires 25 years before they can be public. So we have a secret government that needs only stamp nearly every document they want to hide as classified–and they do that as you can see. Transparancy is a lie and we are under a system ever as secret or likely more hidden than even the Communist tyrants enforce.
I have to believe that virus was being worked on in all of our 11 known labs and looking at the statistics one would think we may well have been the source, albeit convenient to get the cold war ramped up any possible way.
And cowboy sense says that the pulling out of Afghanistan is because there are expectations of bigger things to feed the war industries. We have made enemies of 1.8 billion Muslims, now we are working on making enemies to 1,4 Billion Chinese, not to mention 138 million Russians and quite a number of Koreans and other Asians who have not forgotten our destruction of VietNam. And if you live in another country and do not love Democracy–Biden or Trump or the next idiot will send the army in to jam it down your throat. War, after all, is the only industry left in this country unless you call Mickey Dee’s or Wally Mart as industry.
Slainte–life is interesting in this police country where 25% of the world’s prisoners exist and 1.6 Billion documents classified per year is the norm.
Plant your garden if you do not want your food sprayed with plenty poison and the Organic at the Farmer’s markets is only 30% true–many of those farmers buy the commercial and pull off the lables. That is life in the profit world and it is no wonder that peace and tranquility are a rare item.
Oh–that mouse crawled back on her glove and bit though the glove undoubtedly infecting that lady–she had a good immune system and did not have to be quarantined. But that too is leaked classified–another possible 175 years for a Journalist for the leak. Well new prisons need new prisoners and 25% is by now likely more like 30% of the world population since that statistic came out some time ago.
Correction last paragraph–1.6 million documents –plenty enough to keep you in the dark and cover any chicanery that is now so rampant in the system.
Reading the situation and problems John D. had in Peru involving HudBay Minerals and their use of Peruvian police to keep their rip off mining operations incognito reminds me of the also mentioned Bear Creek Mining Company. As a kid helping my dad in his small mining and prospecting operation way back in the 50’s and early 60’s Dad was having run in’s with Bear Creek. They were really a front for Phillips Dodge at the time and would go in and influence local Sheriff and Judges to assist them in running off the small miner where. Dad had 12 claims while Bear Creek came in and surrounded him with 240 mining claims. A mining claim covers 20 acres–and somehow he wound up in the middle of their claims but had been there years before they decided to come in and take over the area. As it turned out his claims were declared null and void, so they could then stake over him. I know they spent thousands in drilling all around his claims but of course you would never know what they found.
Money talks and the big companies will somehow get the police involved and politics under the guise that their work is going to create jobs and be best for the community. The Peruvian operation enriches the mining company, rips off the people of Peru and leaves a destruction of the area–too often a waste land of pollution that can never be remedied–. Copper and arsenic from these mining operations leach into the water systems once mined into dumps–something you will see in the Peruvian area and when the Cornodo Forest mines open up.
If you go by Globe, Arizona or view the immense Tyrone Mine Dumps near Silver City, New Mexico you can easily see how rain waters go through those loose dumps that once were intact in solid bed rock. They are now spread out for miles open to the leaching process where leached waters end up poisoning not only above ground streams but certainly aquifers that are already scarce due to pollution from chemical factories.
You do not need to be a geologist or earth scientist to understand this. In fact too many of the geologists and earth scientists have their livelihoods and salaries dependent upon these polluting mining companies and industries. They will often give you a line of shit for that simple reason–they support the polluters that butter their bread. Common sense often overrides these biased individuals.
The dumps of Uranium in the Ambrosia Lake region and mines all about it from Gallup, NM to Grants, NM has hundreds of thousands of tons of mine dumps that are now contaminating Indian Reservation Lands and other lands where the mine dumps are abandoned. That is just from rain water leaching. And of course much copper is extracted by circulating acid infused water through the mine dumps and collected then copper electronically removed from the water. A great deal of that type extraction seeps into the ground waters–but in this world of profits the media is not about to knock a system that owns the politicians and in influences media with so much propaganda.
These culprits think the public has no brain–but there are a few out there giving them a brain–the truth of what is going on in the name of progress that indeed is destruction of environment, waters, and health of planet people and wild life. Be mindful of the reality of how people allow greed to blind their vision.
Slainte
The great thing about the mining and logging occupation was the independence of it all. I have always had jobs that paid you for what you could produce, not for standing around doing jaw work. We had a saying in mining that miners and muckers are hard to find, bosses a dime a dozen. That went for logging I did as well.
In mining the boss made a bit above days wage which was around $7 per hour and jacked up a dollar for a boss. Well while that boss was taking home $8 an hour we were taking home anywhere from $15-$30 per hour depending upon how much we produced. The same went in logging–you were paid according to the footage you produced. So in effect you could get paid for what you did not for what you did not do –but in those jobs you either were a miner or logger or you were not. If you were not then you would take on the easy work of a floor sweeper or a boss–and some of those bosses really were old miners that no longer could handle the heavy work like hauling a mining machine with hoses up a ladder that weighed as much as you do.
In effect though it is experience and time to learn a trade such as mining or logging. I never had to become a miners helper since I had helped my Dad for years. With logging I had been cutting fire wood for some time as a private little business so falling timber was already a given. They are both hard jobs and dependent upon skills that take some time to learn.
I think these days people get some kind of a bat hide and think that is the know all situation. You can strut around with those things hanging on the wall and I have a few earned degrees–even I spent a year and a half at NMSU learning welding. That was after I had a bat hide in Psychology. I do not think you should limit yourself–life if full of interesting things to work at.
My son Ted had said, he wanted some life experience before he took on a University degree. When I learned he was taking on underwater welding, I decided to try that myself–but then I found that after 45 you can not be hired as an underwater welder. Those guys make a hundred grand in just a few months but like mining it is highly dangerous–perhaps more so. If you are down a ways and an empty pipe breaks the pressure will suck you right into a 4 or 6 inch pipe, not to mention the limits and dangers of getting the bends if time is not taken at intervals coming up.
Or worst bosses are those running the country now. Power somehow corrupts but the mediocre people in office that have made politics their livelihood have been long time corrupted. Somehow over time a system that was never intended to be a livelihood and long time occupation has turned into a circus full of full time clowns. These offices were meant to serve the people and by people that expect to do their time then move on to allow others to serve. But when Corporations and Lobby groups became part of the scene and the servants became bloated tyrants in a lucrative occupation things have turned against serving the people. These politicians naturally now serve the Corporations, Banks, the elite and rich that grease their skillets made at Tiffany’s They have now become servants to the rich and Corporate and tyrants to the people they claim to serve.
The sad thing is that most are idiots with low qualifications. but you see them retire from politics with huge estates and millions in their bank accounts. Most would say these are not idiots–look at all the wealth they have amassed serving themselves. Folks, politics was never supposed to get people rich–in fact if anything it was only meant to be a side line. Most of us Americans are wise enough to manage our own affairs in the peaceful and free way we deem to be best for our own needs and without as little offense as possible to our neighbor, the environment, and the planet as well as other people in other sovereign nations.
A psychologist’s point of view of the nation as a whole is that on the main it is psychotic. That goes for the head that wags the tail–for what man in his right mind would go from his home to another street and start screaming at people because they live in a neighborhood that allows parking your car on your grass. Yet our revered and voted for assholes running the show are stupid enough to send their war ships into seas, even within 12 mile boundaries just to provocate other nations–those waters being thousands of miles from our own shores. Yet the very nations they antagonize and threaten are no where near our own waters nor are they interested in provoking our Nation. Now if that is not a sick bunch that run this nation, then tell me what these people should be.
DSM-5–the latest diagnostic reference to mental disorders would lead us to see that our leaders on the main suffer from attenuated psychosis syndrome. They have committed murders in a wholesale manner, continue with their delusions of grandeur by increasing their war budgets in a pattern of associated schizophrenic and paranoiac actions without affect. The behavior in psychology is a mental illness–in a court of law it is criminality of high felony.
The history of spending above 2 trillion tax monies to murder thousands of Iraqi and Afghani Citizens and a few terrorists under the false flag operation manufactured during the Bush-Chenny-Rumsfeld era and continued vigilantly even to the present day gives us an idea of how mentally taxed these leader are. If anything is obvious would be that the power and psychotic mind set is escalating to even bigger crimes.
The shame of all this is that the American people have been lied to and robbed–those Trillions of dollars belonged here for the making of the country great–even providing solar, cleaning the environment and preforming the necessary infra structure improvements.
What we do see is enriched politicians and a destroyed economy all thanks to these clowns people vote for. And how can you answer these power and war mongering fools? They certainly do not represent the people but the Corporate and money robbers of the tax monies controlling the wealth and the army and police are indeed challenges since we see the associated corruption–even in the Judicial systems.
I believe the answer will be in the young people that are well aware of the world destruction these people are guilty of but also of the destruction of our own American way of life. They indeed are inviting in third world countries by the hundreds of thousands and these people are going to find themselves in another third world country no different to the one they left. Is this by design or because of idiots running things? Maybe both–perhaps the younger gerneration can assemble to protest–the other thing just laugh at the stupidity of the clowns and criminals we have running the show.
Slainte
Correction–both fires covered Dr. Anderson’s yard and home with retardant. Our concern is why so many died–about a third of the town of Yarnell with only 645 residents have deceased at this time in only 8 years. The ratio of deaths per 100,000 in the US for 2013 was 732:100000. That then for 645 resident should mean that there should have been a ratio of 4.7 deaths in 645 residents. If you multiply that by 8 you come up with only 37 people should have died there in 8 years. Folks, withing the first couple years there were already about a hundred deaths. By 2015 the second fire called the Tenderfoot fire required more retardant dumping to add to the hundreds of thousands of gallons that had colored the town during the Yarnell killer fire of 2013.
Looking at it at another way–there were over the 8 years 6-7 times as many deaths than should have been at Yarnell. That does not include the illness caused by the retardant–and as a long time fireman told me–he could only look at the photo of Dr. Anderson a few seconds without turning away. It is traumatic just viewing the photo. Of course there are plenty that will refute the idea that retardant has had anything to do with the deaths and sickness at Yarnell. However they can not deny that fish are instantly killed from even small amounts of the retardant, nor the fact that EPA has already spent more than 140 million dollars cleaning up phosphate dumps from abandoned mine dump seepage into waters in Florida. The ground waters there are being contaminated with the phosphates–the main ingredient of your retardant.
But our major concern are the hidden ingredients under trade secret laws. I suspect they are Fluorocarbons–PFC’s–banned in most European countries. They have many uses and are excellent fire retardant chemicals–used in plastics, treating cloths for fire retardant safety, fire retardant foams, plastics and numerous other uses. They are organic compounds soluable in water and cumulative in human organic systems. Maybe they will make you immune to Covid 19 since they are so deadly but they also are known to thicken your blood platelets so cholesterol sticks to your arteries and can eventually cause heart failure.
Have you not noticed how much more firemen suffer heart attacks than the general population. Many of the deaths at Yarnell, including my own some months after the first dumping of 2013, were due to heart attack–plugged arteries. The retardant seems to have a fertilizing effect on cancer as well.
Carbon is of course an inert element but Florine is one of the most deadly substances on earth. The pilots that haul it in barrels for water treatment plants will tell you that they can not even touch the barrels without special gloves and hazmat equipment. To do so requires a report and immediate medical attention. The barrels are bright yellow with the black skull and bones warning labels everywhere on them.
Most of these chemicals were Monsanto originals. If you want to see their long criminal history of chemical dispersion and death and disease causal–it is there. But of course they pay fines as a part of business expense–there is not conscience, nor does anyone get prosecuted for the death and sickness they cause. They obviously care less about lives, but that is the corporate attitude. Monsanto sold out to another corporation and that corporation sold out to an Israeli outfit that now produces much of the world’s retardant poisons.
If you want to know the great injustice, not only to citizens whose yards and homes are laden with chemical retardant during fires, it is that these chemicals in as much as 15% of the retardant are kept secret under trade secret laws. Neither the citizen nor the fire fighter knows what he is being contaminated with. A doctor can know but can not publicize it.
Now if you do not understand the gravity of the situation–California waters are now in many areas so contaminated with phosphates and fluorocarbons from retardant run off that whole aquifers are becoming useless for human hydration. EPA is now spending millions there to clean up lands –especially around airports where firemen practice and use much retardant.
The government surely knows this–and sending a fireman or wild land fire fighter into these dangerous chemicals is a guarantee that his life will be shortened just as so many citizens had at Yarnell. I do not know how compensation is due the fire men subjected to these dangerous chemicals, but certainly there needs to be an adjustment in pay and education to the real truth of what they are facing.
As I see it and cowboy commons sense says don’t get trapped in a canyon above a raging fire near and keep your self away from the retardant chemicals if you value your health.
Much credit and appreciation to–There Goes Joy again. Her photos of the wild land fire and the last photo of the GMHS crew going up the mountain for their last climb as if they were ascending to Heaven was a classic. He single photo speaks more than a thousand of my own words. And There again–her photo of Dr. Anderson’s last struggle with the effect he suffered after his yard and home had been plastered red with retardant speaks more than a thousand words of my own. There are many of our heroes getting ill but not knowing the reason yet there are plenty in the medical and chemical world that do. People need to be forewarned of the dangers –and yes most know about radiation and stand back from it, but early on people did not know and many a lady lost her tongue and life in the most hideous of manners just by painting watch faces with radium based glow in the dark paint. And sadly–even after knowing the dangers, the profiteers continued as long as they could to do their dirty work. Will you walk a mile for a camel? I would but that camel better not smoke.
WTKTT shows that Brendan either gave two different accounts of that whether the crew was “asked” to come into town or where he reported to SAIT a different version. Or else someone wrote up the SAIT report version to present the fiction as we know the official story to be. You can’t trust Donut’s talk but it would stand to reason that someone had ordered the GMHS crew to come to leave their safe in the black situation to come down out of the black into the box canyon to do structure protection. I do not know who reported that there was a disagreement between Steed and Marsh over taking the risk and also that once they knew they were about to be burned over Steed had said something like you killed us this time. So it stands to my way of thinking common sense that someone had “asked” Marsh to bring the men down for structure protection. I would have thought that to be Willis since the GMHS crew was his baby–but then it could have been the boss that knew they were coming down by his comments saying they knew where the crew was at all times.
It is hard to believe they would not know exactly where the men were at any instant considering the extreme nature of the fire and its fast movements. It would be common sense that with communications going and Donut’s talking with Marsh as he was escaping behind Frisby, then handing communications over to Frisby that Frisby and plenty of others knew exactly what the GMHS crew were doing and where they had been ordered down.
With the burn over, smoke and a bad description to the rescue helicopter I could see that the copter crew might be looking for the crew at another ranch site that was some farther north near Peeples Valley and that due to the ground crew not explaining that.
It is very close to the anniversary now–and I am sorry that I am physically unable to make the hike to honor those men. It is my hope that the truth of the matter will come out. It has been an arduous task for many to show the inconsistencies in the official story and its quick resolution in order to save reputations. Many hours, blood, sweat and tears not to mention many funds involved by private individuals have gone into this because people care so much for those lives and the safety of future lives. We accept that people make mistakes and in the case of the killing of the GMHS crew and others involved in wild land fires it is imperative to continue so that correction of these mistakes can be made. Without the truth there can be no resolution.
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It is where you? Where did that come from? I would like Donut to be interviewed by John Daugherty or WTKTT or Joy Colura–I wonder if he would consent?
Joy–you should run for Congresswoman–as much time and money as you have spent on this problem of the GMHS crew investigation you could recoup some by doing that. You would within a short time become a millionaire and more often each becomes a multi-millionaire. It is a very lucrative mover as every Congress person hits the millionaire mark without winning the lottery. There are just too many industries needing their influence.
If there was one saying from Jesus it was he did say enough to take care of today since you have no idea what may happen tomorrow–well he was Psychic since he came in a vision to John to let him have the predictions of the future. Not all of them were pretty–mostly end of the world stuff that movies are made from. And being a wild land fire fighter you just might experience the Apocalypse early on.
Mostly people do not plan their own demise and some of those you would never expect to play other people’s demise you would least expect also. If you know about father Bush, he was a great war Hero–dropping bombs and then being shot out of the air on a Japanese killing mission. His two cohorts did parachute out with him but were never found–a miracle that a US submarine surfaced and took him aboard.
With such a history of killing and near death escape you would think he would be the last one to go after Saddam on a false flag operation. We all know now that 911 was an excuse to kill Arabs not even involved in the Twin Tower ordeal and that he and his cronies in CIA knew damn well that there were no nukes in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein was a blowhard and would be no challenge and actually did not want to be a challenge to the US. However he was shutting off oil supplies and a certain threat to the oil business and the wealth of the American Oligarchy had bothered him. Being ex head of the CIA–he knew the ropes and what and how to feed the public to get them angered at the Arabs in Iraq and Afghanistan. And that he did–many wanting to nuke those countries.
As it turned out over a 20 year period millions of Arab citizens have been killed, many cities look like Berlin after WW2 and about half million of our own, Canadian, British, Australian and others that follow the American leaders like so many baby ducks in a row.
And all this to feed the War Industries and keep the oil flowing and profits glowing. So since the fables fed the public, people have slowly uncovered not only the motives but the lies used to perpetrate these war crimes.
Now we have Biden and Boris to deal with–the two big thinkers–and already they are calling off the troops from Afghanistan to take on a major war with China and Russia. Why else do you send 140 thousand American troops to Islands near China. Why is Japan allowing the US to set up missiles and at the same time asking Russia for a peace treaty? These power people such as Boris and Biden have no consideration for the killing that will ensue–they know but they don’t care. They are the epitome of idiocracy.
Salient –may the Irish gods shut off their nukes and keep them stumbling.
As you see, I have little respect for politicians. They to a person become millionaires or if millionaires multiply that often may fold–Pelochi is now worth over 200 million and of course has insider advice on any stock purchases or sales, and then there are the huge contributions to these election funds by the Oligarchic, War Crime Industrialists and Bankers that own these people. How much wealth is enough wealth? Well wealth is power and the more these grubbers have the more potent their poison. And this I mean to the planet, to killing people in falsely incited war crimes, regime change efforts, assassinations, and whatever efforts they can make to increase their standing among their peers and puppet masters.
I had thought to vote for the lesser of the two evils in two elections–that would have been Trump cleaning the swamp. But then it is like the Gambino’s wiping out the Bonnano’s, move on over a new dog is moving in–the swamp cleaning out the swamp. So I did not cast my vote–however had someone with a bit more sense ran, then I should have cast a vote. That would be someone representing the people–not someone elected by the millions provided to buy them before they even enter office.
I find it ludicrous to go after Trump still with criminal charges. It is a circus full of clowns running the country–those type of clowns that terrorize people and rob banks and then hand balloons out to children on their laps. The two sensible candidates I saw were a former Navy seal and a woman of great intelligence that flew fighter planes in what she eventually saw were false wars to further the military industrial profits that feather the beds of their political tax money providers.
The common man has no say in these things–In fact the Oligarchies will censor any form of ideas and opinions such as my own and the media they own will only give the story that does not offend their million dollar contributors, stock holders and owners. Yet it behooves us to make those opinions known and what facts we believe to be accurate and necessary to effect some change.
I was amazed at how cowardly the Yarnell people could be by allowing the breach of the first amendment by keeping out the press. Freedom there is mandatory in a free society–if you turn the control of the press over to the government and the Oligarchy and Industry then you control people and their rights to truth. Fema came in with a test lock down so no one could pass without some fucking green sticker in the windshield–treating you like an alien with his green card. I lent my out to a man that had to work in Prescott from Congress where he lived. You could not pass though even being a good citizen to get to your job on the only highway allowing you to get to Prescott. The alternative was a washboard dirt road around to Hillside that put you more than 50 miles out of the way if you did not damage your car or have a break down on a dusty deserted back road. That went on for months–a prison camp only a resident could enter and no one outside Yarnell was allowed to the State taxpayer paid roadway of Highway 89 blocked–because some ass wanted to show his authority. Many citizens were screwed but if you have the guns–fuck the public and the taxpayer is their attitude–did you not see it; on the neck of George Floyd?
And has Fema or EPA addressed that the FS and State have killed and sickened about a third of the town of Yarnell with their excessive toxic retardant dumping on the town? I looked up Pruit running EPA and it is pretty evident he is not into real environmental problems–more of a Trumper–one who would wear a hard hat at a plastic factory with a smile. So do not expect much there–but never do from agencies that are owned by industrial Oligarchs that fine tune their influences and for the military have the best of operatives keen in propaganda and misinformation programs. The common citizen is after all having to educate himself as to what is really going on–that frog is already cooked on the slow burner.
And I have eaten frog legs off bull frogs I had speared in Ceinega Lake on a survival mission. The small pan fish are better–and there is hardly enough meat on a frog leg for the effort–stay with a fish unless there is not alternative–fish are hard to spear and frogs much easier meal. But the frog I am talking about here is the blind and fettered citizen who has been slowly roasted until well done. If you do not believe that look at how many wild land fire fighters would not even talk about the deaths of the GMHS crew–the asses in control know the method–fear is a great motivator and keeps people in chains of ignorance.
‘Slainte– It is only good if truth is known.
The comment about millionaire politicians was to show that most that go into politics suddenly become extremely wealthy–poor ones suddenly become millionaires and those that are already wealthy suddenly multiply their wealth. Suddenly pork jobs open up for industries just as you saw Hunter Biden paid $50,000 a month to set on an imaginary board–so do these industries open up jobs. The daughter of Joe Manchin–CEO of the biggest Generic Pharmacy in US (Mylan Pharmaceuticals ) now moving to India –gets a big raise to 32 million, and Munchins wife is a member of board for $162,000 per year–you see that these sorry people do not represent the American Public. So becoming a Senator or any other politician of influence is in the game and will be bought by Industry. It is no wonder the tax laws are biased toward industry and they pay so little when they should be the greatest contributors. I certainly am not against millionaires–my daughter and her husband are millionaires but have earned it in business in honest ways. I see these people like the Manchin’s , the Biden group, Pelochi, and the like in effect as robbers of the poor working stiff that makes up for the pork they recieve from these industries with higher taxes. And no wonder you see Gates, et. al., paying less than 2% income tax while the working stiff is lucky to get buy with less than half his check gone to taxes and now even higher inflation. And that sick war mongering President Biden has the temerity to ask for another 5 Billion to pay to surround China and harass Russia despite already a half trillion set aside for these phony war games.
When is a society sick? Well voting for such people can’t make you totally sane. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil–something I will refuse to do. Either one of these candidates–the ongoing saga of Trump included–have us on the brink of a hot war that once started is likely to end up nuclear. Our Standing troops over there of 140,000 against a Chinese army of 2.3 million can only go nuclear just as Nixon during Viet Nam and even earlier Eisenhower almost did in the Taiwan situation then., People forget we did not win against Korea once our troops got to the Chinese border and China got involved. We and the South Koreans were driven clear back across North Korea and South Korea to the ocean before that one was settled. Now Korea has nukes and will chime in with China being next door and the Chinese have plenty of nukes and technology the Clinton clan shared including stealth bombers. The sharing of military technology by Bill Clinton was protested by the generals at the time–but a deaf ear is what they got. You can bet that Bill and Hillary saw some amazing financial improvements in their muti millions–likely much greater than what Biden has done since he was only a Vice President and had to go through Obama for approvals.
Dear friends, most of you are fed the main media stories–and not all of it is fake news–but crap news used as diversions. The ongoing saga of Trump is a good thing for Biden as is other tripe news. It keeps attention away from what this fool and cohorts are really up to.
My opinions–I know more than a few worship Trump and some think Biden and his side kick are God’s answer to prayers. I have a low opinion of either.
Peace–and which of these asses have addressed the environment–they are too busy making America Great Again–meaning the biggest universal Bully.
When you have the biggest Pharmaceutical company moving to India and nothing munch said unless you Google it–you understand that we have problems at home to deal with–and that Senator from West Virginia is certainly not commenting–he is not about to mess up his CEO daughters claim to more millions and god only knows if he is getting under the table monies as well. So we already get 94% of our pharmaceuticals from China though I do know some come out of Mexico. It will not change because of the Bush idea of globalization–the New World Order thing—and the use of cheap slave labor wages found in these foreign dictatorships.
If the public were wise they would have these Presidents all tried for their globalist war crimes and nationally as traitors to the American People who they pretend to represent. Instead they are trying the very people that exposed their crimes for the very crimes they are guilty of. Ain’t that something to boggle the mind while people hold them in high esteem. To me it is indeed a head scratchier–yet not so much knowing they have control of the media and the most clever methods to control the masses. These are the University educated snake oil salesmen of the global Big Brother Society.
Slainte–Health away from retardant plasters and may your gods do you well if you do well.
Sri Lanka ship disaster of May 28, 2021 is another fire disaster that leaves a particularly bad taste in our mouths. Not only the burning of the ship but debris includes tons of tiny plastic pellets lines the beaches. It brings back the image of the smiling Trump during his Presidency wearing the hard hat and bragging that he is making America Great Again–the great hero inside a plastic factory that he had helped originate One plastic plant that was mandatory for Union Members to attend was the Shell Company petrochemical (oil chemical) plant set up to produce over a million tons of plastic per year–tiny plastic pellets, the same as those now strewn along beaches in Sri Lanka.
In 2015, 380 million metric tons of plastic were manufactured. Of Course the celebration of many more plants since then means the production of plastics since 2015 has added to the planet somewhere in the neighborhood a total of 2.4 billion tons of plastics added to the environment. There is in fact over 20 billion tons of plastic somewhere in the environment since 1960–and when plastic disintegrates it forms micro particles that are now found in all ocean fish and other marine life that you eat.
Fritz Harber, the Jew that invented Zyclon B ironically invented the chemical used to kill millions of Jews. He did receive the Nobel prize in Chemistry for inventing a process to make ammonia–a big ingredient in retardant, fertilizers and explosives–ammonium nitrates (fertilizer and retardant chemicals made explosive by adding deisal or other oil based petroleum products) (My Dad and I used fertilizer for blasting in the mines by adding a gallon of diesel to a sack of fertilizer). You can not do that anymore since the Oklahoma McVeigh murders. The new fertilizers are made so they remain inert with addition of fuel oil.
But when I think of Hitler and his use of the Jew invented Zyclon B, I also think of Trump and his celebration of the English invented Alex Parkes plastics. Much improved by the use of oil.
The chemicals in Plastics and plastic manufacture are every bit as deadly as the Zyclon B. Here are a few and the residues left–the chemicals that diffuse into the air, water and soil (don’t you just love that new car smell?).
So there are above 15 chemicals and here are a few you can absorb from the new car smell, your carpet, or anything plastic including a good ocean fish dinner:
Phytalates: phthalates may cause abnormalities in penis if a mother who has a newborn sons has a high level of phthalates (DEHP) in their blood.
Polycarbonate can become dangerous when it changed to BPA. It can not be used in food storage. It is one of those chemicals when heated becomes a toxin just as we have seen in retardant that when heated also produces cyanide.
Polyactic acid–inhaled or though the eyes is toxic–dangerous when making plastics–supposedly inert as a solid–but heat it and the gas is dangerous–example when burning plastic in a wild fire is inhaled.
Polypropylene–supposedly safe except when burning can choke you up and leave a bad taste in your mouth.
DEHP–You certainly do not want this in your system–it is 1 to 40% component of plastics–said to not be soluble in water but is in oil. I think it is worth a read on the toxic effects on humans –DEHP is a carcinogen, teratogen, and also an irritant for our body. Both women and man can get cancer because DEHP act as an endocrine disruptor. Which will have long lasting damage on human reproduction function, both for adult and children exposed to it.
When male children are exposed to phthalates in their prenatal development, they will have lower levels of reproductive function when they reach adolescent age. Another study found that DEHP may cause a reduction in sperm motility and chromatin integrity. In addition to that, DEHP may cause a decrease of penis width and other problems in newborn sons if their mothers have a high level of DEHP in their blood when they are pregnant.
BPA— can cause cancer. In a woman, BPA is dangerous because it can mimic estrogen hormone and develop breast cancer. It is safer for a woman to reduce their exposure to BPA that can act like estrogen.
Another danger of BPA is that it can affect the brain development of babies. A study in 2011 found that pregnant women with high levels of BPA are more likely going to have daughters who are hyperactive, prone to depression and also has a higher level of anxiety.
I will not continue on–that is enough to convince any sane person that plastics are a silent disease source to humanity. Other chemicals included in plastics are ::
Oxybenzone
Fluoride
Parabens
Butylated Hydroxyanisole (BHA)
Perfluorooctanoic Acid (PFOA)
Perchlorate
Decabromodiphenyl Ether (DECA)
Asbestos
And no one has told us the real story about retardant chemicals and their hidden trade secret chemicals. Maybe since the Israelis produce these things for the world in copious quantities they will give us a list–well no, Israelis remain secretive–no one even knows for sure if they have nukes–well except their leaders and the dreaded Mossad.
And do not think I am a Jew hater–I am not–people are people anywhere–but some are fooled by their bosses–we infidels, goya, Christians, etc. are as well–check up on the Yarnell incident–or our own industrial and war mongering industries and methods.
Slainte–but not from plastics
And it is not altogether the bosses (some bosses) –since they are fooled by their bosses and on up the line or other cronies as the crony and add mob mentality goes. Ignorance as well as the greed and power that has people like Trump. We humans all have the reptilian brain and there are more than a few murderers that love their dogs. You see some of the Presidents admiring their animals while mass murdering millions in foreign lands to enrich themselves and avail the American with more oil to make plastics and fuel vehicles greatly contributing to global warming.
Yet these same Presidents know that there are alternative energy sources, even free energy methods available. But we seem to think these people are our grand examples of exemplary behavior again due to widespread ignorance. These people underneath are the dirt of the world bought by the war industries on the main and no wonder they become mass murderers under the many different guises of protecting people against terrorists when they are the terrorists.
These are of course my opinions and if you would bump you head before a fierce god keen to genocide or a leader in striped suit keen to genocide then that is your prerogative the same as your ignorance is your prerogative.
Sláinte an choirp agus intinne agus spiorad
And:
May the good gods of the Irish enlighten your path if it is dark and may they reward you for your deeds if they are good.
It behooves someone that has a method to get Donut in court under oath. That way you would get the real story out of him–or else get him before a Congressional Comission. He would know better than to lie there since he has already been treated to the system and perjury to a Judge or especially Congress would send him back to old haunts.
This is my opinion–and a thing I wrote to Joy Collura
: “Joy–you deserve the best–too damn bad that the world did not hear what you labored to learn and knew first hand about the deaths of the Yarnell Fire–Instead they made a hero out of a fool and took his word that has a hole in it alike his name Donut and the liar Amanda to make a movie and the two of them famous–but that is your cronies at work with their evil.”
And you wonder how could I call this thing a movie evil–well in regards to content about families and tragedy to bring you to tears it is not. But it is most certainly evil in my way of thinking because it left out the truth of why those men are dead. The evil is in compromising the safety of the lives of future young wild land fire fighters–America’s Finest–those who like the firefighters that gave their lives at the Twin Towers 911 ordeal daily still go to fires risking it all for the good of all.
There is a documentary and I have spoken with the maker–I understand it will address the truth. Truth is the only thing acceptable in the case of 19 wild land fire fighter deaths.
Do what is right because it is right and not because the crowd wants you to do otherwise.
The government has an all out war on truth sayers, whistleblowers and most especially Journalists who do publish the facts and stories as they find proof. Julian Assange of WikiLeaks, the Aussie Journalist, has done prison time because he dared expose the criminal murderers in charge of our Imperialist and Regime Change systems. The same happened to Webb when he exposed the CIA black Ops during the Iran Contra deal. He either was suicided or did commit suicide since his life was made miserable–he could not find employment after revealing the involvement of CIA in dope running profiteering with a President in full knowledge of those operations.
Now Biden is not about to quit persecuting Assange even with evidence that was fabricated to get him charged. The liar and only witness against him has now confessed to being a liar in order that his crimes would be overlooked. Is that not the way the system works and so many prisoners waiting for trial ready to testify truthfully or untruthfully against other prisoners for mitigation on their sentences–or even immunity?
The new laws Biden wants will be Big Brother in high gear–they are so vaguely written that flying a flag could easily have you branded as a terrorist–and certainly the scapegoat Journalist Assange is an example to make main line Journalists tow the party line or else–and beware any person or Journalist with any revelation of truth that would challenge the dirty work of the political cronies or the government official. They will be labled terrorists when their history reeks among the worst acts of terrorism on the planet.
But government and its officials and the politicos in charge are not the only terrorists attempting to hide behind their lies and propaganda. Look at the religions of Canada. They have found over a thousand graves of children, sex abused, starved and murdered. They expect the count of mass killing to amount to about 15,000- the abuses lasted up until 1996 from late 1800’s–about a century of abuse. Those kids were considered by these churches not to have souls since they were not Christian–relegated to savage status whose lives were valued only as you would cattle. Their language and customs were ripped from them just as they were ripped from the arms of their mothers.
The old Pope is not apologizing but he is sending 21 million over for victim abuse. What the government will do with the money and how much will truly go to help the victims and their families is anyone’s guess. If it is anything like the stimulus that Biden reduced to 1400 and that was less than 9% of the stimulus money then they will likely get checks amounting to around 10% of those monies.
In all fairness, the Catholic Church was the greatest contributor to the abuses with somewhere between 50-60% of the terroristic tactics. The rest mostly belonged to the Anglican Church of English origin–I have not heard of what they will contribute–maybe just prayers.
So you see our works of imperialism and forced religion and government on people–now even our own–we did the Indian population in, brought slaves in, and now as England have a multitude of world wide murders in the name of championing freedom and democracy
Do not get me wrong–I respect the warriors that protect this country and I am a veteran as well. But as Jesse Ventura and Telsie Gabbert, both veterans of these regeme change false flag wars, –they would no longer agree to or be a part of what they now know was a lie to maintain ongoing war crimes to create wealth for those in the war industries.
One of my grandsons in on one of those nuclear subs over there ready to nuke China should the feeble minded Biden decide to order it. But China has nukes also and it does not take but a few of these new models to destroy a whole country–and a planet. Then you have an idiot running Britain and screwing with Russia–no one has ever whipped Russia–even Napoleon came back with only a few stragglers and survivors of what started out as about 200,000 and dwindled to a mere ragged 20 thousand or so escaping the war they started.
And we have 4.4% of the worlds population against 17.9 % in China, add Russia, and ad Iran, Iraq, Venezuela and a few other nations that will side with China. What fools and criminals we have running our so called democratic governments.
These be my own opinions while we can still voice them–maybe.
Sadly–Joy informs me firefighters were killed in a plane crash near there–fellows she had interviewed and were witnesses to the truth about Yarnell.
I had mentioned one of my grandsons being on a nuclear sub in the China Sea and you can bet soneone’s grandson is deployed over in this area in a nuclear sub from China or/and Russia with nukes pointed this way in case Biden thinks to use that alternative. Despite what we are told there would be no defense against these nukes off shore–those subs can carry as many as 100 nuclear armed missiles aboard. There would be no survival of a salvo off one of those things.
We complain about the Ughurs and homocide there in China–rightfully so–yet we have commited homocide in over a million in Viet Nam under false pretenses, And we have ongoing genocide of Arabs in Syria, Iraq and other areas by use of sanctions and that count is beyond a million souls, and even in our past the record of outright genocide of Indian peoples has been an atrocious record. Yet we have the audacity to point out the Chinese problem without first stopping our own genocides. This of course is a side show to justify the onset of a new cold war that England and the US are attempting to escalate into a hot Nato war with China and/or Russia. Plenty of war monies are being made on the false flag killing of Syrians already for good war profits. Yet that is not big enough–we need a bigger war and greater war profits.
Neither China nor Russia nor Iran are over here off shore with huge war fleets, nor are they entering the 12 mile barrier of sacred waters surrounding our shores as England has done to invade Russian waters. But our war mongering President and his Military money makers are out screwing with the world and some that they ought to leave alone. With 4% of the world’s population it looks like a Chihuahua dog inside a kernel of Huskies–the Huskie a fairly mild dog–I have one and he would tolerate a small pooch until it bit his leg.
And then we talk about the prison camps in China while we have more than 25% of the world’s prisoners and only 4% of the worlds population. Talk about hypocrites and a media that follows along. Thankfully Putin is a composed man and so far the Communist Xi Jinping has refrained from action–but both have said there is a limit to the horse shit they will take.
This time they will need nukes against the hoards of China–a study of how the Chinese took on the Americans in Korea will tell you that they are willing to sacrifice millions and they did drive the Americans back into the seas until a truce was met. That truce was because it was Korea–there will be not truce concerning China if it goes to take Taiwan or should there be an accidental battle on the seas of China.
So I have another grandson enlisted in the Army–but attending the UofA at the same time. These young warriors belong at home–there is plenty we need to be doing here. Those billions should be being used to improve this country, not out bullying the world. How ignorant can our system be to continue to create animosity with sovereign nations we ought to be respecting.
My opinions of course–not well taken in the war circles.
And I have never seen NM monsoons this early in July–they usually start in August. One thing is sure–nothing stays the same but the change whether good or bad depends upon our actions and reactions–may they be proper and sane.
Slainte.
Something to add to the justification to harass China is the Wuhan Virus escape. History will someday reveal the truth on that. It is as much an American virus as it is a Chinese virus. The invention of the virus was an illegal gain of function virus created from the SARS virus right here in our own labs under grants from our own government and China.
Back in 2015, scientists from the University of North Carolina (UNC) in the US and the Wuhan Institute of Virology had together created a modified coronavirus that was shown to be able to latch on to human cells and replicate in lung cells, efficiently enough to cause a pandemic.
The study published in the journal Nature is an example of a ‘gain of function’ research that the two groups had been involved in for several years.
Ralph Baric, an infectious-disease researcher at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, last week (November 9) published a study on his team’s efforts to engineer a virus with the surface protein of the SHC014 coronavirus, found in horseshoe bats in China, and the backbone of one that causes human-like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in mice. The hybrid virus could infect human airway cells and caused disease in mice, according to the team’s results, which were published in Nature Medicine.
The results demonstrate the ability of the SHC014 surface protein to bind and infect human cells, validating concerns that…
There is more t the story–the gain of function was completed here–and illegal act since by International law no gain of function virus work was allowed. Yet Fauchi did OK this illegal work–he being head of the WHO could and did do it while our government not only did nothing but with the Chinese government funded the study. Fauchi and the Chinese involved are now mass murderers having caused the deaths of millions. And because our own government officials were involved the blame is all going to China and not a word is said about the Fauchi involvement. Meantime Fauchi is promoted as some kind of hero and expert–he is alright the smiling executioner of millions.
Again these are my opinions-if you want to go along with the official version and the media hype–fine. If one thing Trump was correct to say it was the Fake Media–and I have to believe more than half of America agrees.
That Ralph Baric story was November, 2015–the same year the resident Chinese Virologist that was heading the study returned to China after the successful gain of function work had been completed and published. Yes it certainly leaked out of the lab in China but Fauchi and friends are as much to blame as the Chinese are for a careless leak.
Few know that the Lyme disease was from a careless leak from experiments near Lyme, New York. We have been making war viruses or perhaps population control viruses for a long time and presently there are about two dozen labs world wide–the greatest number of these type 3 and type 4 labs are right here in our own country–about a dozen that are known and usually near or on Universities. And we have the gall to point fingers at China.
Perhaps it is a bit of a stretch–but we have used Eugenics in this country to a great extent–against not only the blacks but also people deemed to be of a lower class or the feeble and infirm cases and the mentally challenged. Germany doctors were the finest at the art and many were brought over here from WW2 as doctors and scientists needed to promote our own technology and science experiments and advancements. In fact it was a NAZI that headed the lab near Lyme, NY where bugs and mosquitoes, etc were being used to see how diseases could be spread and so forth–mosquitoes do a fine job as they found out over there.
So is it a far stretch to think that the Wuhan virus already had a treatment and vaccine way before it was loosed and especially with Bill Gates, Ted Turner and other elites saying the world is overpopulated with eaters–the worst being the elderly that are no longer of much value to society according to these type thinkers–in fact are a burden costing huge monies in health benefits and use of resources. The psychopaths running this country can and will smile at you and carry on–their elderly and their own lives are valuable–but too many of them agree and are enriched by the Oligarchs and NAZI minded world overseers.
To my notion the elders are the wise ones whom though life have erred but have learned from those mistakes. And most are of good heart and concern much for the younger and the planet they inherit. They too will become elders in a short time should the Oligarchs and reptiles would allow. But the blinders of the media continue to be closed to public eye by design of these world persons of power and greed. Only the honest Journalist and other truth seekers can hope to remove the scales from public eyes–then you see the torture and destruction of these people with a public uninformed or lax to demand justice for those persecuted so terribly.
I see Snowden and Assange as heros deserving of the honors of men who fearlessly uphold truth and justice–those that care for the lives of their fellow human and the health of the planet and its creatures and ecosystem.
Elong Musk is right in seeking to build a colony on Mars–I see in him one of the few Oligarchs concerned about humanity. I hope his quest to do so is soon completed–it may well be the only hope for the continuation of human kind.
Elon–whew, misspelling, use of singular verbs in plural applications and so forth–Have I ruffled the Queen’s feathers and cause the English perfectionist to grind teeth. It is not meant to do so–just that I seldom proofread before posting. I trust if you are that well educated it is an exercise in patience. (foighne)
If you are a California wild land fire fighter near San Diego you will want to know there were likely fire fighters hanging out there 130,000 years ago. Well if they were not fire fighters they likely were experiencing wild fires during the coastal dry seasons.
Your preacher thought God created man about 6000 years ago. Well he was off a shade and I suspect mankind had been hanging around even longer than the 130,000 level–even beyond a million since some manufactured objects have been discovered deep in coal mine seams and rock formations that for example had a lathe turned iron bolt in rock broken apart that dated millions of years old.
Perhaps man has come and gone to this planet more than once or perhaps has survived cataclysms when life was destroyed by more than 90% on this planet. Only 60,000 years ago the Chixulub, Pureto, Mexico meteor strike had killed almost all life including most of the dinosaur species.
Yet there is a site out of San Diego where humans had been busting up Mastadon bones and using the tush material for tools. This site dates to 130,000 years ago. So Columbus and a bunch of others and even the Indians were not the first to find America–Dr. Tom Demere wrote the scientific paper and data after excavating the site is now passed away–but you can imagine it caused quite a stir because formerly archaeologists wanted to claim that the Clovis man from 13000 years ago was the first to inhabit America. Clovis, New Mexico has that site but the Clovis people have been all around the SouthWest. I even found evidence here in my yard–one ancient Clovis point that I made my daughter a necklace from (made about 11,000BC with the spirtit of a warrior encoded in its quartz silica matrix). It is not the fluted Folsom point of later times–the Folsom was more developed dated 9-9000 BC with the Clovis people the forerunners that were killing Mastodon as part of their food sources. That point she has shows the patina on a black flint that would take 13,000 years to make and has the proper shape–so those fellows were in my yard and no wonder since this is an anchient river way–At 6 ft down river gravel with a clay overlay that had come from a volcanic explosion likely from those black extinct volcanoes nearby.
So it is no wonder I ran across a mutilated cow and have seen so much UFO activity including one I had back in the 70’s. You will find that UFO activity for some reason is attracted to volcanic areas–and more often those active ones. Here of course you have the White Sands Proving Grounds with all the nuclear bomb technology and missile experiments.
So God created things in 6 days but they were hell of a long days–unless he was on his super computer playing earth and man making simulations.
When we hired Biden on as President we believed we had avoided nuclear war. The blowhard Trump was eliminated by devious means no doubt to the relief of the billionaires Bezos, Dorsey and othes of such power to censor and connive to do what they believed would be the best and safest route for humanity. The media was controlled so that fake news was by now accepted as the new norm of America–the great solution to the world’s problems–but the great Satan to the nations being sanctioned and plummeted by its death dealing mechanisms.
How wrong Jack Dorsey turned out to be. Instead the half witted President hired on turns out to be ever bit as vindictive and beyond the dangerous blowhard to turn the second hand even closer to nuclear disaste. Instead of just talk he has summoned Congress for 5 extra billions to support more war preparations against China. Instead of relieving tensions against China and Russia he has done the exact opposite–games that those two super powers take seriously–they have no alternative–Biden has set the stage for war and it is now beyond the balance of 50-50. And can you imagine it not when off your shores are foreign forces invading your waters, surrounding your nation with armies from thousands of miles away.
Yes we have hypersonic weapons and nukes right off China and Russian shores but you have to know that Russian and China have likewise. Each submarine is capable of 100 nuclear clad missiles and each of those nukes are 1000 times the power of the Hiroshima bomb.
Indeed we have hired a nit wit for a President–one who now that he has the power is using insane tactics against sovereign nations that are fully capable of defending their areas and seas where this nation has no business intruding upon.
The Clinton, Bush and Obama cohorts have demonstrated to the world our fierce methods to maintain our oil supplies with what amounts to a genocide of millions of souls not even involved in the power struggles of the oligarchs and war criminals that use all kinds of guises to make this war mongering nation and its executioners appear justified. The public buys it–Goering was not the only one that knew and said before his own suicide -tell a lie often enough and it will be believed. I might add that the lie teller eventually even convinces himself/herself.
It took millions in protest to get an arms reduction but this time I see that the war mongering variety has convinced the public again that there must be more and more so called defense. There is no defense against hypersonic weapons. When there is less than 5 minutes to respond to a nuclear attack that President that stumbles on his plane ramp three times will be vaporized before he can find the sheet of paper to remind him of the code needed to press the red button.
If you are not alarmed at our troops and ships expanding to Russian and Chinese proximities and more over even after a half trillion dollar budget alloted to the military and its complex–an imbecile would demand billions more to harass sovereign nations with abilities to wipe out not only this nation but the whole of the planet–then you should be.
There are people in this country and even a very few that ran for President that know of the dangers of the regime change people such as Biden and those before him. They know of the stupidity of maintaining this war forever stance to keep oil supplies and other resources coming in from foreign raids. And strangely they are those that have endured foreign combat and have seen the absolute destruction and death we have rained upon other peoples to gain oil and power over their ways of life. These warriors are concerned for the people here and even those they attacked–they see the way of diplomacy not the way we see of surrounding nations with our war ships and armies. Perhaps you see the Biden and the possible replacement, the cackling Harris as viable people to run this nation–your voter choice–your bright and shining example for life. I see them as what they are–hair triggers to the death of the nation and the planet. My opinions as always–some radical I should say but if you know the meaning of radical you should appreciate them.
Slainte may your day be with a positive bow from the Irish Gods or your own if you have one.
If caught Fox News about PFAS –poly flourinated carbon chemicals used so profusely in fire extinguishing foams you will know that Tucson water is contaminated due to plants there and foams being used around airports. The EPA has no level of restriction but admits that as little as 70 parts per Trillion –not million–are enough to cause cancer. The Tucson water supply tests at 10,000 parts per Trillion. I understand that authorities are hunting for a fugitive involved in the leakage and dumping of this product that have contributed over the years to ground water contamination.
These PFAS are permanent–used to make teflon because they stand extreme heat without breaking down. They are excellent fire retardants and are used in fire retardant furniture, clothes and things like sleeping bags. But they are also killers–cumulative in the human body and certain to be killers. I can not help but be reminded that Chuck Purdy’s home was sprayed heavily with the foam during the fire at Yarnell at 2013–it was special treatment because of his affiliation as a previous Helicopter pilot where he undoubtedly save a number of lives. You can know his home also received a heavy dose of the aerial drops of the agent orange toxins as well.
I can remember Chuck some months after the town meetings about the reconstruction of Yarnell after the catastrophe of 2013 when Chuck announced at a town meeting that he had prostate cancer. I was there and saddened that such a hero would come down with this disease. At that time I did not connect the chemicals with the many people at Yarnell that were getting sick and the many deaths involved after the town was saturated with the orange and red toxins.
Now we have Tucson with the same chemicals, but not only Tucson–there is a map of so much of this nation’s ground waters testing heavy contamination with these Fluorocarbon Chemicals. That is why I was so sickd–and disgusted to see Trump celebrating the opening of a plastic plant along one of the nations rivers. Plastics use the chemical, styrofoam, teflon and some other uses “refrigerants, blowing agents for insulation plastic foams, working fluids for Organic Rankine Cycle systems, fire extinguishants and propellants for metered dose inhalers (MDIs) and technical aerosols, solvents and feedstocks.”.
So now you understand the danger and sacrifice you heroes in the wild land fire work are facing. Yet even the EPA has been reluctant to tell you–It is just too big an industry worth billions in the Fire Retardants used the world over alone. And the medical industry is scratching its head as to why so many are coming down with cancer. The lady on fox news though is told by her doctor that her cancer is chemical related.
Now you see how can your government dare pay measly wages to any fire fighter. They are right on the front line suffering the inhalation of these chemicals that often act swiftly. The fluorocarbons are also known to cause accumulation of arterial plaque–the very reason you see that fire fighters have a high heart attack rate even at younger ages.
Some of the flourocarbons have been banned as refrigerants–the gasses have been eating holes in the ozone layers. These chemicals and the retardants that contain them are deadly to people and the eco system. Now it is confirmed by the EPA that our underground aquifers are contaminated and there is not much that can be done about it beyond perhaps drinking distilled water or finding sources where the water is not contaminated. It appears there are not many around with all the extreme dumping of retardant containing the fluorocarbons since the early 50’s when these started to be used.
It is said that the fluorocarbons have been limited in the later imported wild land fire dispersion. So the secret ingredients that work so well–how much of that is fluorocarbon infused?
And this is why I call these people that celebrate plastic factories on river sites as criminals.
Slainte
CYFD 59: “GM deployed.”.
Cordes: “Bullshit, They had plenty of time”.
That conversation has always implied that Cordes knew all about the move.
Reply to The Truth Will Always Remain Elusive ( TTWARE ) post
on June 2, 2021 at 7:30 am
>> TTWARE said…
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>> CYFD 59: “GM deployed.”.
>> Cordes: “Bullshit, They had plenty of time”.
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>> That conversation has always implied that Cordes knew all about the move.
Yes.
When Captain Charlie Reyes of Central Yavapai Engine 59 initially told SPGS1 Gary Cordes ( in the Ranch House Restaurant parking lot ) about the GM deployment… Cordes could not believe it.
When Cordes was finally interviewed by ADOSH… he removed any ‘implied’ knowledge and flat-out ADMITTED that he knew totally well they had left the black and were headed to the Boulder Springs Ranch… and he also reiterated to the ADOSH investigators that he had thought they had “plenty of time to get there”.
Cordes was later discovered to be telling TFLD(t) Esquibel to send some ‘engines’ out to the Boulder Springs Ranch to pick up Granite Mountain ( in the Aaron Hulburd recordings ).
But even according to the SAIT… Cordes was not the ONLY one who knew.
From the ‘SAIT Executive Summary’ section on PDF page 2, at the very top of the report… where they published the list of ‘conclusions’ they had reached…
SAIT ‘conclusion’ number 10…
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Although much communication occurred among crews throughout the day, few people understood Granite Mountain’s intentions, movements, and location once they left the black.
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Key phrase: “FEW people understood Granite Mountain’s intentions, movements, and location once they left the black.”
“FEW people” does not mean “NO ONE”.
“FEW people” also means “MORE THAN ONE PERSON”.
So even the SAIT team was ADMITTING, in their own report, that they KNEW that SOME PEOPLE ( more than one ) DID “understand Granite Mountain’s intentions, movements and location once they left the black.”
But they gave no indication of WHO these ‘FEW PEOPLE” were.
But the SAIT team then immediately contradicts itself ( as they did MANY times in their own report ) and, in another section, they write “No one realized GM had left the black”.
On PDF page 1 from the SAIT report…
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No one realized that the crew left the black and headed southeast, sometime after 1604.
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That has always been a LIE ( even according to their OWN report ).
For those of you environmentally conscious and concerned about doing the right thing for the planet and future generations– The idea of use of Solar Panels is a very nice thing. I did mention the fact that I installed 12 Solar Panels above my roof-those I had purchased off E bay from a company situated in Gilbert AZ. You can actually go there and pick them up–I paid a bit over $100 each for 20 of them and then another $200 in freight bill some time ago–two different purchases over time–but circumstances had delayed my installation of them. The inverter I purchased is a Growatt 5000 that is designed to handle up to 6000 watts of Solar Panel input and between 110v-450vDC (I series wired my panels to 360DCV output and batteries to 48VDC) with and output of 220-240 watt AC power either to battery storage or grid or both. I paid 1200 for that inverter but I see a You Tube where someone got it for $900 maybe an older You Tube or else they had found a cheaper outlet.
Well I have plenty wattage output for my my situation and there is a neat thing this morning when I checked my meter reading as compared to yesterday–The damn thing is going backwards and the company is going to owe me money at the end of the month –and this being a time in New Mexico when the heat is on and my air conditioner is running throughout the day.
The electric company had doubled my electric bill and that caused me to put these up despite my physical limitations right now. I had thought I might be moving from here to a more isolated area away from the I-10 insane traffic conditions. However, not that I have it in, it is a delight to see that meter in reverse–that bill better be minimum or I will shut their profit off completely and do the off grid thing completely.
These panels are about 5 years old but most panels are good even to 80% capacity at 20 years of age. So I saw them as a bargain–and a finger to the electric company that bought out El Paso Electric and now has doubled the electricity costs. It would do well if the Biden people would instead of pumping 480 billion into war industries, take only 80 billion of that and install solar in every American home so power was more or less free and worked whether the Russians or Arabs hacked the main line electric grid or not.
Even more significant would be the reduction of oil, coal and natural gas usage that pollutes and destroys the environment for future generations. We must entertain methods for a cleaner environment and planet!
Well here is one bloke that won’t have power shut down due to hacking or overuse by the general population and can smile because I know I have done the right thing as I enjoy watching my meter go backwards.
May the good gods of the Irish tend your suffering should you deserve.
Slainte
For those looking to do solar–the panels were 60V, 325 watt output. I purchased the higher voltage panel because they are somewhat more efficient than than lower voltage panels. These new improved inverters can handle the high DC voltage that old systems could not without step down transformers. And what does a cowboy know about installing solar panels? Not much-get someone with a bat hide in electrical engineering to figure out the correct system for your situation. .
There had been some resistance to the idea of taking a psychic to the deployment site.
The CIA delved into the psychic phenomenon from the early 70’s to the 90’s–about twenty years and millions of black opts funds. The FOIA information has now been allowed to declassified documents–similar to what is now being declassified in the UFO secret investigations the Military and CIA had investigated.
You would want to know that Jimmy Carter–39th President had an event during his term where a Russian plane went down in Africa. They wanted to find the plane to retrieve its secrets and technology but could not locate it by aerial surveillance. So CIA consulted a known Psychic that by her methods gave them the longitude and latitude readings. Jimmy Carter said it was the most inexplicable experience during his term–the plane was located exactly at the coordinates she had given them.
Remote viewing was being practiced by the Russians who favored and believed in these abilities that certain individuals have. The successes claimed by Russian intelligence reports caused the CIA to also take the idea seriously. I suspect a good psychic could reveal much about the real reasons for the GMHS deaths. Likely they already have and those clues might just lead to solid facts that could be uncovered. So I would encourage any Psychic to visit and give some insight that might be a positive revelation toward revealing the truth.
She/he might also give us a report on the shape shifting liars involved in the cover up. I still feel the bad vibrations from these individuals preforming the manipulations and misrepresentations of the reasons for those deaths. They have covered their tracks fairly well to the public–yet there are quite a number of those involved as well as experienced wild land wild fire fighters that know much work went into the misinformation campaign so that it would appear as an accident caused by God or innocent reasons. Yea, the Devil has many forms and his spirits find home in many human hosts-you can learn that in any Christian church.–and Christ was recorded as casting 7 devils out of Mary Magdalene–so too bad he is not around to cast a few devils out of a number of those involved in the GMHS cover up. This new fire season is on in a massive way with the drought–we hope those leaders possessed with devils that would kill the young lives they are responsible for are seen and removed from such position. However, after seeing how the Yarnell killing was handled the prospects seem slim.
Slainte–Health and may your wild land fire fighting procedures be taken seriously with more regard for lives that was given the young GMHS crew.
than was given GMHS–
And who better for the Irish Gods to send to the mountain on June 30, 2013 than Joy Collura–the half Irish girl with uncanny investigative and photographic mind with special abilities and an unequaled determination to prove and make known the true events and causes of wild fire deaths so that all should know the truth and that future young wild land fire fighters should not suffer their demise nor the trauma of such events to those friends and loved ones that survive.
Here is something that might interest the religious inclined—
The Sumerian tablets were written at least 20 thousand years ago–something before 18,000 BC. The Bible came about with Genesis written about 1400-1450 BC. The earlier cuneiform tablets tell the original tale of how man was created–the Annunaki (Shining ones–Angels) were able to create intelligent men by physical methods short circuiting evolution. So ape men were changed to intelligent life able to take over tasks serving the early Gods as underground miners of gold as well as other tasks–according to those early texts.
The Bible speaks of the Elohim–a group of gods with one main leader. In the earlier texts from which much of the Bible was parroted, the leader God was Anu of another planet system who put Enlil, one of his sons in charge of Earth. However –just as it is frowned upon for Royalty to marry outside their circle-(you saw what happened to Dianne)–so it was not good when the gods married into the human life forms they had created as servants. There were actions that Enlil decided needed to be taken since humans had run amuk with the interbreeding. So the gods took to their space ships and caused the flood. However, Enki who was involved with the creation of humans managed to save a special family and of course we have the Noah ordeal handed down–a modified version of the original story recorded some 16000+ years before the Genenis story of the flood.
So you can believe or not believe what ever version you want and whatever version of religion you might decide to observe. Actually most do not have a choice–they are brain washed from childhood as to what their inherent beliefs will be. Religion was created by the “gods” early on and the principles such as the ten commandments meant to help mankind, not be made into warring factions and Bible thumpers ready to crucify Psychics–witches–other religious believers for their brand of religion.
We are on the verge of breaking the DNA code–well really have since chimera’s are now a reality. So it can be seen how apes can be made intelligent–science is indeed mixing monkey and human DNA in order to harvest organs. And AI is another story-pilots that will be able to stand G-Forces and travel immense distances without food or rest–and in fact may be the next residents of this planet should the planet become uninhabitable by biological life forms–or because as Elon Musk has said–they decide that humans are not necessary or a hindrance to their ideals.
Whether you bump your head on the wall for others to see or on the floor of Mecca or you listen to a child molesting Priest or a Bible Thumping Preacher or entertain the Irish gods–it is all up to you and your perceptions of things. You might even take Trump or Biden as little gods to worship–and god forbid if you think the Queen wants her son to marry your daughter.
The most important thing to us lower case blokes is that there is a charter of personal rights and that some of us can respect the rights of others to their beliefs and opinions. Money–especially fiat is coming to the point it is useless and when it won’t buy influence where will these yahoos that buy these politicians be? They have the gold–so I doubt anything will change–the gods have given them their minds.
If Genesis was inspired by God (circa 1400 BC)the c He came along a little late but must have read the Flood accounts from the Sumarian tablets some 6000BC–4000 years earlier accounts. The Sumerians had a different version but we know there was one hell of a flood. The Sumerians said the gods (Elohim) were orbiting during the mass kill off of humanity–too many of the gods had intercoursed with humans to have giant babies but these hybrid offspring were against the rules of the gods. So these offspring and the greater mass of humanity were doomed by the flood while the gods circled the earth in their craft and then moved on to their planet Nibiru. The next visitation from the Annunaki will be when Nibiru approaches earth again in a 26 thousand year cycle. The Sumarian story of the flood has the god Enki as the one who protested and protected a few to survive so that civilization could reestablish.
And of course with the god tech–and we have been witnessing some of it, even copying some–we see that some of these aliens are already here visible only in infrared or sometimes radar and not visual and sometimes visual–often invisible. When the donkey spoke to Balak it was an angel and a pissed one that offered to swat Balak with a sword if he hit that donkey once more. Being mean to animals is not only a crime, it is punishable with a sword slash.
There are many interpretations of things–choose the one that makes most sense to you–Some of these gods are reptilian and have the conscience of our Oligarchs and Presidents. Others look more like us humans except I have to think those could be more amicable. Those I saw, whether holograms or real were not amicable and what happened and happens to those that are returned to earth no one knows. But maybe it is a good thing in some cases.
Don’t give up–there is hope despite your exposure to retardant. One thing I was fortunate to remove myself from the area that has been highly contaminated by the chemicals from the horrible agent orange retardant. Do not be surprised if the effects are long term–here is a bit about a town in Missouri that had to be abandoned because people were suffering the long term effects from chemical contamination of the soils in the town.
“Times Beach is a ghost town in St. Louis County, Missouri, United States, 17 miles (27 km) southwest of St. Louis and 2 miles (3 km) east of Eureka. Once home to more than two thousand people, the town was completely evacuated early in 1983 due to TCDD —also known as dioxin —contamination.”
You may think because they claim there is no dioxin in that retardant, it is safe. Baloney–the hidden chemicals are unknown while those that are know are definitely poisons. No they like the dioxin won’t kill you instantly–they generally need some time to do the damage to the delicate balances in the human immune, respiratory and vascular system. And of course we have no clue as to how much has soaked into the fresh water system about Yarnell. If there are any shallow wells they will be contaminated and perhaps even deep wells if seepage gets to the well casing.
My well is 206 ft. deep and in an ancient river bed and aquifer–I certainly would not want your so called safe retardant plastered on my property even if were burning. I rather pitch a tent after the burn and have safe water than risk contamination by the retardant–You see, I have witnessed the horrors that Yarnell people have gone through health wise after the dumping of the copious chemical slop on and about the town.
After I fell dead with a heart attack only months after hiking and breathing copious amounts of that chemical toxin and living in a cabin and yard that had been colored red by the oxides used in the solution, I began to wonder how that could be know my own health and physical condition before. Then Joy and I began to see people fall dead up and down the street I lived on and all over Yarnell. Those that were not dead were finding themselves sick from various diseases–many people we knew to be in prime health before the two inundations of Yarnell in the FS attempts to save residences.
So the saving of residences–something the GMHS crew was also ordered to do–cost no only their lives but lives that the money grubbers involved in retardant sales and distribution are loathe to admit to.
It would not surprise me at all to see that Yarnell should be declared as dangerous as Times Beach was. I did read the full article about Times Beach–that ground poison took some years to have effect on the health of People–it was about ten years before any attention was paid to that toxin. The Yarnell story began within months after the first covering of Yarnell and its surrounding area with the agent orange chemical toxin look and act alike.
But I say do not give up–I just hiked 6–it took more time but I am coming back. Six heart stents while living around Yarnell but now that I am away three different visits into my heart and veins via catheter and I am told my piping looks decent now. So do not expect me to return–a relief to a few I am sure but also certainly a relief to myself after understanding the deadliness of the toxins that have contaminated the town.
Slainte–health and may you fare well if you fare good.
The wisdom of the Chinese–Sun Tzu’s “The Art of War” and more recently Deng Xiaoping. Echoing Sun Tzu, Deng said China must “observe developments soberly, maintain our position, meet challenges calmly, hide our capacities and bide our time…never claim leadership.” from a book by Martin Jaques “When China Rules the World”.
The idea goes well with Communism and its sneaky ways of hiding truth-but also from its citizens. Here we are supposedly under a Democracy, yet our government agents hide the truth from the common citizen even more. We are even more than any nation in the world in prisons and have 25% of the world’s prisoners yet less than 5%of the world population. How can we point fingers at China? So much corruption has taken over our land and government so that no matter what you can follow the money–well the Fiat I should say that is not money but credit. There is nothing behind the dollar but the promise of those who print it.
So China has been telling its people to buy gold and silver and the government has steadily increased its gold reserves. Thus so has China, India, Turkey and all Asian countries. China and Russia are quiet but you can know by what they and other wise nations are doing is because the overprinted dollar is destined as all Fiat–doomed to become worth what it is–just the paper it is written on.
I do believe there will be a new world currency but it have substantial gold backing just as all good money has been for thousands of years. Gold and silver are money in most countries even today. Trump’s dream of making America Great Again will be when this country takes a step back again and begins to realize it has become an Imperialistic nation along the lines of England. It has handed its technology, manufacturing and world domination schemes over to the Chinese–The flunkies here now are trying to start a war with China, yet it was our flunkies including all past and present leaders that have handed our jobs, manufacturing and technology over to Communist China. Of course China paid them well and we have over time enjoyed cheap China products at the cost of being left with only service jobs on the main.
Tell me a product that is not made in China–and if made here is 2-10 times more expensive. In fact we are protecting Taiwan because Ford and just about every other car company can not produce cars without their chips. So war might really evolve–although Biden has agreed to pump billions into making a chip manufacturing company here–a Communist move when government finances and runs a business. An I wonder how that will work out since many companies have tried to do what Taiwan does in chip making and even the Communist financed chip maker attempts have failed. That process had taken over ten years to perfect and you can bet Taiwan is not going to give its trade secrets away so its people suffer the loss of that industry.
I tell you that silver is produced at an 8-1 ratio to gold in the mining sector. The above ground supply of silver is equal to that of gold because silver has had a shortage of mining for years and is only mined as a by product in copper and gold mining operations. The paper SLV market is just that same as Fiat but the big banks treat the paper market as if it is real silver–By these means and derivatives they have been able to make appearances that silver is not scarce. Well go try to buy a silver coin or bullion –and see that the US Mint stated they have made delays of printing silver liberty coins because silver has been scarce.
I think the wise ones already have some real money set aside–but we should be honest in this country. We shamefully have not been and much of my assessment comes from viewing the fictitious account of why the GMHS crew died and add to that the denials of government that the retardants being used are deadly poisons being major pollutants to people, land, rivers, oceans and scarce underground water sources.
Knowledge is power and a freeing up of the citizenry. We should all have the right to live in a safe and pollution free environment. This agent orange look and act alike retardant use will never outweigh the horrible damage it does.
Slainte
Script has been issued over time in the US. The company, being it mining, Rail Road or other industry owned the company store–you were issued script for your wages that could only be used at the company store.
Script had no value outside what the Company owners said it was. They set the value and its real value had no backing other than their word. It was an ingenious idea that profited the Company elite in all ways–the worker was a serf at the mercy of his employers.
What is Fiat currency? World Bankers create it out of thin air also. They type in certain amounts of Fiat, lend it to National Bankers for interest–then the banker lends it out to people and business. Those bankers are allowed to lend out 9 time the amount of Fiat they have in store. It is a great Ponzi system–and of course the public is at the mercy of the system Ponzi operators. The value will be determined by their antics–the sudden influx of Trillions will debase the value of the Fiat greatly–something we already see with inflating prices.
People are kept in ignorance–what do they care if they do not know or understand that over time their coffee will
Now the problem with global warming problems is that people are not informed of the facts. Scientists have devices and methods to gain CO2 data. Most of this information is gained by simply core drilling the ice in polar regions. Two miles were drilled in the Greenland area and the bottom is figured to be about 250 thousand years old and over that span of time the average CO2 levels were about 250 ppm. This is also the estimated time lapse for man–though humans may have been around as long as crocodiles–millions of years.
None the less the modern man and ability to see that ice give a record of the CO2 content shows that the average content of the CO2 level has spiked in only the past century since 1915 and the beginning of the industrial age. We now have levels at 400 ppm.–something that never happened in all those 250 thousand years of ice accumulation.
Now what that means is that we are approaching undesirable weather changes. The average earth temperature has risen 1.5degrees in this small time of a century. When the C02 level reaches 800 ppm earthlings can expect somewhere more temperature rise perhaps 2 degrees C. But when the carbon dioxide levels get to 1600 earth can see a 3 degree centigrade change and then suddenly a cascading effect that will rise 8 degrees or more.
These are estimates and assumptions created by the fastest and best computers that have cost the government hundreds of thousands of dollars to determine. There are many other factors to include–the release of methane as the ice melts is no small thing to add. The burning and clearing of the Amazon and add all the wild fires which are on the rise in record amounts–Biden has been advised to jack up the wild fire pay in order to attract more fire fighters.
The chemicals and heating are destroying great amounts of coral reefs–those ocean plankton and other ocean plants provide huge amounts of the Oxygen we breath–3/4 in fact of O2 comes from these Ocean plants. Without the oxygen, CO2 concentrations will increase.
But this is the world we endure. There was nothing in the campaigns mentioning the problem of oil, coal and gas usage. Well, Telsie Gabbert did talk about global warming–no industrial giant or huge war making industry would support such a person–and being honest she denied their contributions.
It is insane that we have a President poking at China–their scientists and leaders–maybe commies turned capitalist in many areas–have at least addressed the issue by huge solar and ev projects.
And one can only be aghast that England’s Boris and partners in crime would send a destroyer ship into Russian waters purposely to see if they could get a war going. And I mean they to include the US because the US was fully aware of the action condoning it and sending a spy plane to observe what may happen. Bombs in front of the ship was the answer and it could have easily been the beginning of WW3. Tell me we do not have idiots and fools running these countries.
The cycle will continue–we of the lower ranks can only do our best to alleviate the situation. I have been looking for an EV car after all and have my solar hooked up–my basket from Wal Mart was almost full yet there was only one plastic bag since I bagged those myself. Maybe there should have been none but I had some small items that could have fallen through the basket.
Do what is right with the planet–our kids and grand kids will inherit the results of our wisdom or our ignorance as the case may be.
I think we should take notice when 1800 nurses working for the Houston Methodist Hospital System are protesting their freedom of choice of whether they would take the Covid vaccine being offered. The US District Court in Houston ruled against the nurses right of choice–saying the Nuremberg Code does not apply since those experiments on human guinea pigs were not private institutions. You see, the Covid vaccine being used is not Federal Drug Bureaucratically approved. These nurses want safety–but that Judge is acting as a professional in the medical field and ordering them to take the Federal Drug unauthorized vaccine or loose your job. There goes your religious asses as well–trying to enforce there Methodist beliefs on their workers. I would send them a record–“Take This Job and Shove It”. Nurses are in short supply everywhere–my son, his wife, and one of my grandsons are all nurses–there is not shortage of work and they are not mandated here to take a vaccine they might not want to. My son and his wife did however–their choice–I am no nurse but I damn sure won’t take the vaccine, yet I am at the age that i would be killed quickly by the disease and likely would suffer greatly or die from the effects of a potent dose of vaccine. And Phizer, Johnson and Johnson won’t worry since there are plenty takers, even people vaccinating babies.
The toxins involved and included are some new and untested chemicals and live virus forms that intrude into the DNA strand–no one can be sure of the long term effects–but the aluminum, and monkey puss virus or whatever else involved to stimulate the immune system are not something I would want a baby or young person to suffer–especially since the disease does not effect those to any degree below the age of 45. If you really want to stimulate your immune system with similar chemicals, I would suggest retardant solution–It would likely do as much good since its effects for the young ones takes years before they get sick–usually at retirement age but statistics for fire fighters show that many die similar to the Yarnell statistics–skewed but no as much since the Yarnell people were generally of elder years. Like the Covid disease, the retardant is devastating to the elders–Yarnell is a retirement community for the most part since there are only a few jobs there with only two restaurants, a post office, a ranch store open now and again and a few tourist vendors. The bar there was only open a few days a week and run by the elder proprietor and the American Legion only employed volunteer people. For 645 residents there are fewer than 50 jobs there for an estimate.
So you can choose your pollution–breath it or have it injected but you can not refuse it if you are working for the Methodist religion in their hospital. At least you are not required to bump your head before applying tender loving care to your patients.
Slainte–may the Irish Gods or your own idea take care if you take care.
To be fair, I should add–the vaccine does work–my son, the RN, is 45 years of age. He had a fairly bad reaction from it–sick and down for a week. Oddly, my daughter a year younger had only a couple days of ill feeling while her husband reported that he had felt very little effects from the vaccine.
So if my son suffered that much, I think I should pass. But what will they do to counteract the new strains out? Will it require a regimen of new vaccines? And why did the FDA refuse to OK the Houston Methodist Hospital vaccine?
I had written earlier about the fact that this Covid 19 was sponsored in North Carolina by Fauchi approval and invented mainly by a lady Chinese doctor that returned to Wuhan, China. That invention of Covid 19 was funded by taxpayer dollars as well as dollars from the Communist government of China.
Certain it escaped from the Wuhan Lab but since it was invented in US Labs and OK’d by Fauchi who ought to take the blame here? Seems to me there was a sharing of responsibility for the again negligent murders of millions and it is no wonder Fauchi with his MD bathide is blaming the bat for spreading the disease. And Biden needs an excuse to point a finger at China. Since leaving Afghanistan, he will need to give the Military Industrial Complex a new enemy to expend those Military 480 Billions toward. So we are surrounding China and improving and building more nukes and more ships, war inventions and inventories, etc.
Join the Military if you are young and need a career and want job security. You can get high pay especially if you are tech oriented or a computer game expert. You can run drones, pick off foreign “terrorists” and be into AI with billions to help the advancement of clean kills with less collateral damage–the pay grade and military food will be par excellent in the right jobs. Even the grunts will be paid well–not like the 60’s when I was stamped US property for military use only.
Don’t worry–I have grandsons serving–Army and Navy. They deserve the respect since their intentions are honorable. Who will defend this country when it happens?
Exposing the depravity in high places is a dangerous activity. Epstein of course found that out and when his clients saw his danger he had to be eliminated. Of course eliminating two of the threats to the depravity of the elite baby molesters is another matter. But you can be assured there are several plans in action. Ms. Grislane has to know it, and also is weighing out her options and may have already been informed of what they are should she dare rat them out. Fear is a great motivator and these people in charge of situations are masters at its use–this government black ops has honed their abilities over many decades with the use of not only the German Nazi scientist, doctors and psychiatrists used from operation Paper Clip, but our own government hired professionals. Millions, even Billions have gone into methods to control individuals, crowds, and enemies of the state–there are plenty of psychologists and psychiatrists and doctors ready to do the work for good wages and under the idea that these things are for the better good.
Any good police worker will attest to the depravity that can erupt in the best of people–the gods have truly given mankind–all us us their mind. We have all experienced the negative–anger, jealousy, lies, and so forth.
The good detective however knows that plenty of people you never would have believed had committed the most heinous crimes. There are of course low life people that make it their main enjoyment of life– to defy the good norms of decent living.
This brings me to the 30th of June 2013 and the day that 19 young wild land fire fighters breathed their last breath of smoke and flame. Fate has its many opportunities and opens up many doors to allow the free lancer to see beyond those trapped in their misery or perhaps not–some enjoy being the serf –the masochist who does seek out the pain he/she desires.
As a long experienced miner–I had worked in mines with my Dad who was a life long prospector and miner–I was even working during my school years where I would come home and go help him muck out those mines–and he had several. Those out of Lordsburg, NM were in our back yard–just 50 yard up the hill. And he was still hand digging and blasting when I came home from school. So you know I followed that work because I knew it and I loved to do it. There is something fascinating when you dig out a chunk of turquoise, rare earth minerals, gold or silver ores and crystals and agates and so forth–so much to learn about them–they are the very basis of all things used by people from forks and knives to the now computers and space rockets and even AI. So you must find joy in what you do or do not do it–and I suppose bank robbers find joy in that until a bullet riddles their body or they wind up in a gray 10×12 cell.
And so with the bilateral mind of the gods we have and because I do have 28 credits of graduate work involving Psychology including courses in Abnorman Psychology and Behavioral Psychology, I had to consider the motives behind Eric Marsh’s decision to follow though on orders and also that of Jesse Steed’s final giving in although he as well as Marsh knew that what they were doing was against all good and safe wild land fire actions and would put the young men under their care at high risk.
We can not set down with them to question their motives. But a good detective or Psychologist would want to be there to examine the evidence so they could set the record straight. It matters much when 19 lives have suddenly been erased due to gross negligence.
Joy did come up with much evidence, how Marsh was as a person and much was learned about Jesse as well–FOIA reports give much about a person in their actions and communications among others. I will not opine much on it–there are plenty of people out there that have the records and have an idea of why these young heroes are now dead–maybe even the motives behind the killings.
Donut is an easy case–he held back originally because of fear. He had been groomed in prison that way–he kept mum because those in charge of things told him to–he even hired a lawyer. But then he saw that he was to become an icon for the wild land fire fighting community–even a hero for surviving when 19 of his comrades had been killed. And now it is fame and fortune. Yet he knows he owes people the truth and has little by little let a bit of it slip out. But do not depend upon his words–there have been too many inconsistencies with him–something he and maybe we can chalk up to drug usage or even PTSD. We instead will have to turn to more reliable sources–FOIA and some of the more honest and honorable wild land fire fighters to correct the story of the demise of the GMHS crew. Will they? Fear is a great motivator to keep them quiet.
Before he died, I remember the retired CIA operator Charlie Mosely saying to Joy and me–Be careful, you do not know what these official people involved are capable of–and after seeing that a crew was kill and the real reasons hidden to protect reputations–I do understand what he meant.
My respects to the GMHS crew that deserve the respect and condolences to those who have lost so many fine young souls.
Thanks WTKTT–y0u probably have done the most of any finding and interpreting details. I hope you are one of those foremost in any new documentary or book on the subject and details of what caused the death of those young fellows of the GMHS crew.
I do know Scottie Briggs has I believe nearly finished his documentary and gleaned much information–hopefully much of that came from your investigative work. The minor details of any investigation are often the most important in revealing where people have attempted to distance themselves from the truth and their involvement–just as you pointed out with Cordes statement of “Bullshit, they had plenty of time”. We were fed so much Bullshit alright even from Cordes and others that maintained that there was no communication and no one knew what the GMHS were doing or where they were.
I have to believe that some bosses and others were watching the men in lock step along the two track as they were about to descend into the death canyon. There is quite a long strip of the two track in plain view from the Ranch House Cafe where a multitude of firemen were congregated about the time the GMHS crew would have been ordered to descend into the death canyon. I believe the distance is below two miles viewing distance–I do know you could easily see those yellow suits at that place because I have open eye viewed people on the two track from that spot.
So thanks for your revelations–they certainly would convict in a court of law those that would lie about what they know in such an important event concerning the death of 19 wild land fire fighters and the many lies that were used to cover the truth.
I am confounded that the main media, so many Forest Service personnel, and so many wild land fire fighters would withhold and even lie about the incident concerning the danger it presents to the safety of future wild land fire fighters. I can only say there are many that ought to be ashamed of themselves for such actions as we see Cordes, Willis, Donut and others presenting knowing full well the importance of telling the truth–all in an effort to protect their own selfish interests and reputations.
These are of course my own opinions. Too many see these yahoos as truth tellers–I am sorry but the evidence shows otherwise.
May the good gods of the Irish or your own perception of a god or Jesus serve you well should you serve well.
Brendan Donut –excellent consult for a movie–half truths, no truths, and omissions–absolute disaster for a source of truth but perhaps none the less entertaining for those that do not mind fiction. I would hope his book as some others written about the fire are relegated to the Fiction Section where they belong.
This endeavor to unveil the truth, though known by many, has been a long and tedious task. When Dr. Ted Putnam was prevented from viewing the death site for fear he would see that the official report was a fiction the Fire Community had to have known that something was amiss.
And Fred Shoeffler, 27 year veteran wild land fire fighter and authority on fire fighting safety and proceedures– respected on all fronts of the fire fighting community was refused FOIA documents so that he had to hire a lawyer to sue to get documents required by law to be produced–then we know the lengths the Forest Service people that had concocted a fast white wash of the reasons for the deaths of the 19 in order to protect reputations of not only Eric Marsh but others involved in the management of that fire.
One has to wonder with all the mum orders, the obvious disparaging of important people in the fire fighting world from discovering the facts, and the threatening of people in the industry as well as witnesses how the public has not been outraged. It is, of course, because the media no longer bothers with truth. They too are afraid, just as the wild land fire fighter that knows should he talk then his job and career are in jeopardy. Government jobs are hard to come by and advancements that have many times taken years to attain are in danger for someone willing to tell the truth about the blight caused by the killing of the young GMHS crew–a tragedy that was totally avoidable and could only have been caused by stupid and careless action that disregarded the value of those young lives. Plain and simple to know there was no excuse and no award or recognition should have been given to anyone involved in that mass killing of those young heroes.
I do not know if Fred got his FOIA information yet. But it shows how much effort and time, money and resources people that care have had to suffer to get at the truth. It shows how our main media outlets are worthless for telling the public the truth–even if many of them know. You do have to be stymied as to how they too could take the reason for those deaths so lightly.
Maybe had I not been on that two track a very short time before those men descended into that death canyon–and I almost abandoned the stubborn Joy, who now is an official wild land fire fighter person–and knows the fatal results of dropping off in a dead in canyon with a fire at a lower elevation. At that time neither of us knew the wild land fire fighter safety rules–the 10 and 18 or that there are four things to easily remember by four letters–something you mus always be cognizant of Location, Communication, Escape Route and Safety Zone (LCES) and now I am even aware of these if near a fire–something Donut, the sole survivor of GMHS crew, did not even know existed when questioned after the fire about safety.
Yet to tell you by common sense we were only minutes from being killed by the fire ourselves. The burnouts which I now know were in action had shortened our escape route time greatly–likely also were a contributor of the deaths of the GMHS crew although they had broken every rule in the book by dropping off into a brush choked. almost impassable canyon with wind conditions known to be scheduled to reverse at any moment, no escape route, and it is said were not communicating for near a half an hour. And if they believed the area at the Helms was a safe zone, that too was a fallacy–the outside of the house was roasted and would have burned except it was made of fireproof materials.
There were documents to restrict that area two weeks before the fire began and it covered that very area where the men died. It had been classed in the highest of danger for fire and whether the document and map of that area was made because a controlled burn was planned I can not say. But Helms hired some of our friends to clear his area two weeks before the fire. One Leonard was on that job–did Helms have a good intuition that a fire was about to start–well fortunate for him that he did clean up since his home barely made it though and I understand he and his wife weathered the fire but barely. We are glad they did and I understand his wife was able to write a book about it.
I am hoping Gary Olson gets his book written and together for all to read. His take on wild land fire fighting will be a true story. You can take to heart what he has to say since he is not one to withhold the story for anyone.
There is much yet to be known for the full story about the death of those men. Yes the reputations of the management of the men and the wild fire at Yarnell has been saved–but at what cost to the lives and safety of those in the wild land fire fighting world.
I don’t know whether to thank WTKTT or say wasted days and wasted nights. The Brendan story changes with each report he does. He certainly has suffered trauma and as he says for years continued to suffer the psychological effects of experiencing the death of the crew and being the sole survivor. But recovery from the trauma continues to be harsh for him. Most of us know how he did not come forward with the truth and how the loved ones and people in general had a long wait to hear his take about the incident. He instead lawyered up and mumed up–with Willis as coach kept his mouth shut. He was worried about telling the true story–concerned about his own security.
I managed part of the story–but I have to believe Donut is still riding the wave of public sympathy and whether one day he will get honest and tell the truth is doubtful in my opinion–perhaps at his deathbed.
He did say that communications were going on with the GMHS crew showing how Willis and others outright lied saying that there was a 30 minute break in communications–that Marsh and Steed were not telling the higher bosses where they were. In fact from the Ranchhouse Cafe–just outside and maybe 50 yards to the North in the parking lot where a memorial sign used to be, the bosses were able to watch even with the naked eye those yellow suits as they descended off the Two Track. If you do not believe that go there yourself and you can without binoculars see that fact. And with binoculars they would have been seen close up.
The story Donut produces has so much hype but people have allowed him plenty of rope due to his pitiful condition. Still the lies about the incident are hard for the honest people to swallow. Those men were killed in the most negligent manner possible considering the information Donut says he was feeding them about the reversal of the fire with 60mph winds.
Donut reports that he hands the radio to Bryan Frisby as they were escaping the fire because Frisby has the long experience in fires and knows what to say concerning what is going on. But of course the Forest Service Honchos and the Lawyers for such get a quick order out to Frisby and others to keep their mouths shut–they intend to paint this as a pretty picture of God had other plans and this is wild land fire fighting==accidents happen and at Yarnell it was no one’s fault these men were killed. This was a garbage dump of lies to make the Yarnell Fire effort look clean and to give Marsh and others involved a pass for the killing of those young heroes. It saved face for many but in fact can not be justified.
There are just too many long experienced wild land fire fighters that have looked at the situation and see it as one of the worst tragedies ever and due to negligent actions taken with wanton disregard for the lives of those men. I am not at all sympathetic with Brandon for the actions I remember he actually took in withholding from the loved ones and the world the truth of what came down. I do know he had pressure from Willis and others that were wanting to protect reputations and make the killing look like an accident. It is a sick thing when you look at it for not telling the truth and the risk for future lives of wild land fire fighters when these type incidents are hidden and leaders get by without being exposed and reprimanded for their negligent actions that destroyed so many lives and the terrible effects it left on loved ones and friends.
These are my opinions–if you buy the hype it is on you but it ought to be seen as it was–a negligent homicide incident.
Just to be clear–I have plenty of respect for WTKTT, Gary Olson, Fred Shoeffleer, Joy Collura, Woodsman, Norbert, John Daugherty and others that have worked so hard to get out the truth. This tragedy and the truth of it would never have been known had these people been timid with the truth. They have suffered long yet have made every effort to overcome the whitewash made of that tragedy.
I too have suffered and felt the remorse–Joy and I stood on that very spot on the two track that you can view from the Ranch House parking lot and I am certain several of the higher bosses were viewing from there as well since so many were congregated at that very spot as the men descended into the death canyon.
Yet I am still in wonder that so many honorable men that worked that fire are able to remain silent and tolerate the garbage information that was fed the public.
Maybe someone knows–Has anyone asked Donut why he lawyered up after the tragedy? What was his explanation? Was it because he knew the truth and was hiding it and was afraid he would be prosecuted for withholding crucial evidence from authorities? People of his ilk and situation would only hire a lawyer if they believed they might be subject to prosecution.
It would be good if John Daugherty or any real investigative reporter could interview him–but I understand Donut has avoided anyone that might ask questions beyond how is your recovery going or are you still suffering and needing a shoulder to cry on? Hey we all suffered greatly and you have to know that the loved ones the worst of it. Get real Donut quit being a ninny and tell the truth of what went down to kill the crew.
Again, you fellows of English decent and subjects of the Queen’s English–forgive the many Typo’s, somethimes word usage,etc. I re read my spontaneous posts and see that there are many–commas left out for dangling particles and phrases, etc. I would do worse in the Irish language, but should I come back in the next life hopefully it will not be in an English body. I am not one that likes to think what that English bitty would do to a bloke of my inclinations and independent thoughts. Likely an assignment to something akin to the Russian Front.
To be fair there are many gallant and fierce English warriors–even those descendants that fight on American Fronts. In truth it is always the leaders of these fake wars that are the bums working under false flags and premises. Us blokes of low birth (that defined as anything below royal lines or “elite” assholes that shit nothing below $100 dinners) would be considered the lower classes considered only worthy as gun fodder for the wars of the elite– that is The shape shifting lofty bastards responsible for so many millions of innocent deaths. To defend this country on our own soil against foreign invaders–something Biden and his smiling high heeled partnere are woefully negligent at doing–yet like Trump again entertaining the war mongering paths of previous Presidents–all interested in invasions of other sovereign countries. Should those countries do what our leaders do, we would be on them with all justification to defend our sovereignty, just as they are doing with our soldiers invading their lands.
Certain the war industries and war crimes we commit are due to the profits of the industries and war criminals involved in these actions. Our defense belongs at home and our leaders efforts at regime change wars in foreign lands amount to war crimes. It is a time that all US citizens of good repute and especially previous military experience ought to be required to be armed and ready because there will be a time that retribution for our own crimes against foreign nations will come back at us. The list is long of those countries we have invaded starting with many South American countries to many Arabian countries to name a few. And now we are entering the China Seas poking at the Chinese and even attempting to poke at the Russians in ;the Black Seas. Yet do not expect these actions to stop–the war profits are too large and our top of the line leaders including the President and his minions that are bought and paid for by the war industrialists–those men including the world bankers that have their allegiance to no one beyond power and wealth.
Of course not all of those that are in politics are bent on destruction and invasion of other sovereign countries. Some do care for preservation of what is right–I dare say some for instance Telsie Gabbert, Jesse Ventura for examples of people that have a distaste for imperialistic and regime change crimes. So there is hope but it is slim considering the greed we see at the top.
Slainte–Be strong, be true to the good values most of us share.
Fire In The Sky by Travis Walton. Travis had a movie made about this abduction there out of Herber, Arizona. His abduction and the space craft sighting was verified by 6 of his fellow workers, all having taken lie detector tests that they passed. He also passed the tests–and has taken as many as 20 over time–some with the most professional equipment possible–and some of his friends had also taken –one as many as 16 tests. The five days he was missing had his friends on investigation for murder, his story rings true but despite the tests, many have tried to deny the event.
After seeing his story on You Tube more than once and then going to his site I had realized how true his abduction story was. The small beings he described were much like those I witnessed before my own experience–and the year he was abducted rang true with my own experience–his was November of 1975–and my own was about the same time. The difference was he could remember the events of the abduction, while I can only remember the events before the abduction and the light that hovered over me in silence before my mind went blank until the next morning when I found myself walking down the Southern Pacific Rail Road track much like a somnambulist that suddenly awakens from his sleep to realize that somehow he has found himself some ten miles or so from where he remembered the beings chasing him. That person being me–and now about twenty miles from my home.
That type is was such a traumatic event that I repressed it for years believing that I had a run of insanity–something that I certainly did not want to discuss with people. Yet I could not account for the time lost, after seeing these small, helmeted being that I knew were after me, nor the light above and then to find myself walking down that track with no recollection of anything after seeing that light hover over my head. Certainly I too could and would take a lie detector test because I know this happened to me. Since, I have researched and the Walton story and my own are not unusual occurances–many people have had them.
In the Walton case they were able to return to the exact place the craft was witnessed by the men and where they had witnessed Walton being zapped with a blue green beam that threw him back ten feet and knocked him out. The fellow workers thought he was killed and took off fearing for their own lives.
Scientists have taken tree ring samples and all those trees that surrounded the location of the craft had increased and widened growth of the rings on the side that faced the craft. Radiation as in the case of the Chernobyl tragedy was found to cause abnormal growth in the pine species–much above normal growth seen before the radiation event. In the Walton case, one of the men that had his arm out the window toward the craft developed skin cancer in that arm. I am going in for more skin cancers again–my face and back are plastered from cancer removals–above 50 surgeries in that department–but then I did much time in mining Uranium-but it is certain these craft are radioactive.
People, especially the religious types and those that might want to know more about the Gods of the Bible and those of the ancient Gods of Sumaria and the listing of those before the flood that go back hundreds of thousands of years would do well to go to You Tube or get hold of his movie–Fire in the Sky. He says there is embellishment in the movie as movies do–but he hopes that another more correct version will be made. It is like the Only the Brave situation–manicured for public viewing and entertainment with hope of profits.
Travis has his book out with diagrams of craft, photos of tree rings and 32 illustrations of people, places and events related to his abduction. Some of the witnesses are passed by now including the Sheriff that had himself seen a similar craft around that time.
The blond humanoids he described on the craft could have passed as humans much as Jesus did. He described them well and their actions. What they were up to and the reason for his abduction is unknown–at that time there were cattle mutilations going on in the area that the Sheriff had witnessed where no tracks in our evidence of intruders was found. Just as the mutilation I saw south of me and did photograph.
I do not know if this has anything to do with an excuse that Willis could use–God had other plans for the GMHS idea–maybe the Gods did? I still have to believe there were careless actions take that killed the men. Certainly there may have been some aliens looking on since they by government testimony are able to appear and disappear to another frequency off sight of human vision and even radar vision. And that day, I had all sorts of premonitions and alarms even to the point of believing the men to be dead as we descended the other side of the mountain. Joy will tell you I was pointing out helicopters that I believed were carrying out body bags of men.
So the Irish Gods have something in mind and throughout this life there have been many instances that those higher intelligentsia have communicated to save my own life–and why not? Not too long ago before Marconi and Tesla, who could have believed you could have received messages though the air? (–both invented the ability to send messages though the air, Tesla said Marconi stole his idea). Government now has record of every message sent on line and the super computers essentially have every history of people in this modern society. They miss out on a few aborigines or natives that do not use electronics but I am certain they will provide cell phones for all those at some point. So how can we not believe a higher intelligence could not have a method to access records off DNA or some other way? These entities after all worked over monkeys , apes and mental deficient humanoids to create a being similar to themselves with a degree of intelligence to do tasks to serve their needs.
An open mind considers all possibilities–is not hardened in heart and mind so that it is but a stone.
Slainte–we mustl abide by good evidence of things seen and even those unseen–it is our solemn duty.
This is very important so I am posting near the top–usually my sometimes questionable posts as to relevancy are posted in less accessible areas.
Joy had spent almost 6 years awaiting FOIA information that she has now posted on her website. The information covers the entire GMHS crew actions, qualifications and so on–she has even included many photos. This is crucial information if you should be interested in the ongoing saga concerning the real story and facts about the crew. Whew, Joy has the patience of Job and much the temperament as well. She certainly deserves much credit to unveil these fact so long hidden from public viewing. Over 5 years and almost 6 to get FOIA information? Now you understand one of the methods to hide the truth–refuse or drag their feet to give you information that by law should have been provided within a small time frame of less than a few months–I believe the limit is 90 days but Joy would know.
So here is the new reference material that has taken money, years and all kinds of action and patience to obtain–Thank you Joy.
To Post Or Not To Post The Prescott FD Crew 7 – GMIHC End of Season Reports? That Is The Question. (yarnellhillfirerevelations.com)
We wonder how the public servants in the Forest Service and other public servant offices can get away with criminal activity such as withholding crucial information concerning people that are supported by the public tax dollars. It becomes obvious when you must hire lawyers in these cases to obtain records–that can run into thousands of dollars on your part–Fred Shoeffler can testify to that—but also those involved in the chicanery are never held accountable. The State, Forest Service and other government agencies are represented with attorneys—sometimes they will provide a dozen tax paid attorneys to your single attorney. And even should they loose and you get your FOIA there is always a question whether you will be awarded the attorney fees you spent in order to get the FOIA. And who cares withing these public service departments–even if you win nothing off their hides since the tax payer will foot the bill in any case. So it is a loosing proposition to sue for these FOIA–the time, frustration, hiring of legal representation, and the FU attitudes found in these public servant offices reminds you of the dog you feed that bites your hand.
I had to watch Biden’s media supporter and investigator interview Vladimir Puten. The reporter-investigator was upbraiding Putin for arresting some fellow that Putin saw as a troublemaker. Putin’s answer was to look at your own people and Biden’s campaign–hundreds arrested and charged, many for felony charges including theft, burglary, etc–and the continual persecution of Julian Assange. None were there to do anything but political protests–and Putin has only charged a few and one man is incarcerated. Yet the police killed one of the protestors but was not charged for murdering what in truth was only a political protestor. Putin said when you see ugly look in the mirror. How wise that is.
Government and the people therein are apt to forget the democratic process and the importance of protest.
As a young man, age 17 and senior in high school, I was awakened with others in our family one early morning with a knock on the door by a Sheriff and his deputy. We were ordered out of the house immediately as two D-9 cats were being unloaded in the front yard. The Sheriff produced warrants–there was an overpass to be built along I-10 7 miles west of Lordsburg, NM.
He said gather up what you can of personal items inside and pile them aside while the dozers were being unloaded from their low-boys. He explained that they would be pushing our home, our business and anything inside into a big pile some distance from where we were in the way of progress to put the Gary Overpass to nowhere in. Well it does go into the desert –no road on our side but there is a gravel road to a rail road track on the other side–no residence there but access to the RR track is available.
That was eminent domain laws in the 60’s and the I-10 highway made its way though–a so called just compensation of $2500 was offered and my dad had refused. We had lived there for 13years and he had spent $100,000 there building, water well, and other improvements including his livlihood of a Rock Shop and an large building being completed for a trading post business. There were gas pumps, and people could purchase fues and oil as a stop along what was then a single highway.
My Dad, being a WW1 veteran who had fought in the trenches as a machine gunner was now being treated as an enemy of the state. He had said he would accept $40,000 and had hired an attorney–but his money had been expended on his business and improvements–the sale of his property for $100,000 in Las Cruces, NM.
The overpass is still there and you can visit the spot I had lived for 13 years of my early life. He never collected a dime–but his mine diggings are still there, though likely filled in or fenced. He had had many assays–it was rare earths he had the most of-yet the hematite and yellow and red limonites were a major mineral with turgite coloring. I helped him build a retort for mercury–he had built one near Terlingua, Texas and has actually sold several flasks of mercury to the war department during WW2–something he attempted to join after being a veteran in WW1. He was refused and classified as F-4 because he had a family at that time–my oldest sister, still alive in Phoenix, was a tot at the time.
So you see, the government is a juggernaut, has no conscience and many of the people working therein follow the method–though on the outside do attend churches and many would even stand up for citizen rights, protests and concerns.
And yes the mines are still there–likely claims could be made or probably exist there now. But mining is now to the big operations–the little fellow will be bulldozed under, charged with high felony, or harassed by so many methods while the real culprits and destroyers of the environment are those huge operations that work much like the federal agencies–the will say get the F out of the way–we rule the roost. And maybe they do–but many of us are unafraid and will continue to protest nefarious actions by these greedy and power mongering giants.
You would wonder why I harp against the Phosphate and Ammonium type fire retardants with such determination.
I have plenty respect for you wild land fire fighters–It is a profession that ranks with being a soldier going to war against our enemies. It is fought with dangers that most would not care or dare to entertain while its engagements sooner or later guarantee diminished heath.
So this morning I had an email from Joy–she will help me deal with some government red tape issues concerning the Veterans issues. Veterans like fire fighters were and are subjected to chemical issues that have damaged their health and well being to a high degree. You only need to visit a VA hospital to see the many people and many young you would not expect being treated for various diseases caused by the chemicals used during war time. Agent orange was a big killer of plant life and Vietnamese warriors and citizens alike–in the millions of those while we did loose our finest young men. The figure of 58,220 is official reports for US military and all that because it was a war started off a false flag now uncovered in what was call the Gulf of Tonkin incident. That war, however we were a part of from its beginning with the French–we supported them and supplied them with an agreement so they could maintain Vietnam as a free world colony; It is no wonder to the foolishness of our leaders–but on these things we can only have hindsight, see where the lies and errors had caused bad action–then attempt to remedy and repair our methods. That did not happen either in Yarnell–what I considered another war zone–nor in Iraq–nor even in the consideration of the chemicals used.
When you see a known 50% of Gulf war veterans down with Gulf Syndrome, you have to know there is a source. Many have mentioned both the burning of oil wells and use of depleted Uranium as likely sources. Little are the myriad of vaccines that were used looked at. They do inject you with plenty of various chemicals–some not so good and sometimes not so effective. I see that in central Florida one county has 24 cases of people breaking out with covid 19 as soon as two weeks after the shot–some within two months or more. What gives there–it does not matter to the vaccine companies–by federal law they can not be held responsible or sued anyway.
But to the Agent Orange of Vietnam that sickened so many of our veterans, I have compared it to the Agent Orange look alike of retardant. It however is not a defoliant and supposedly does not contain the dioxins that the Agent Orange contains. We do not know if they are in the hidden chemicals under trade secret laws or if the heat causes a chemical reaction to form dioxins. We do know cyanide gases are formed although in small amounts-note that the safe level of cyanide in the atmosphere is below 6 parts per million. Cyanide is used to make paper, textiles, and plastics. It is also used in photographic chemicals and is a major use in gold extraction and other metallurgical processes–not to forget the elimination of people in gas chambers under the name of Zyclon B=- I do not know what name Arizona will give cyanide when it kills its prisoners on death row.
Which brings me to Dr. Anderson–his yard and home w like my yard and cabin in Yarnell were painted red very heavily with retardant. Of course Joy and I were hiking thought the heavily retardant covered areas hundreds of times because we felt it a duty to help other firemen see the route and actions that were taken by the GMHS crew to get them trapped in a death canyon. We refused no one that had interest, including media–those whom should be on any front line whether war or fire fighting and are where they can. Facts publicly exposed are the only hope to stop needless wars and killing or to change neglectful fire fighting methods.
Well of course I fell dead in the VA Prescott parking lot of the two Cardiologists that had examined me minutes earlier. This was only a few months after those hundred or more hikes at Yarnell. There I was revived at another hospital across town where Joy reports that 9 heart attacks had happened during the time I was there–all had soon died except me. Nine lives gone except one and I was told a year would be max on my part. Well, being away from that area now over 7 years I have in the past two years had three times a catheter run to my heart and even inside it. The last one just a few weeks ago. The doctors say things look good inside–arteries clear, heart clear and pumping like it should except for scar tissue and six heart stents from previous attacks.
I have to believe there is a chemical in that retardant that causes cholesterol to form and stick to the walls and also makes the blood platelets sticky to form clots. Heparin and aspirin help but these days and I used very little aspirin except in the first month or so after the attacks when I began turning purple I did quit. But what we say were many people falling dead from heart attacks at Yarnell while others were suddenly dying of cancer and respieratory ailments. I see the retardant acting much like the Gulf War Syndrome–there are so many different chemicals involved and each individual comes up with a different diagnosis–albeit heart attacks seemed to be at or near the top of the list. Cancer and COPD were also off the chart so that we saw nearly a third of Yarnell dead within 7 years–most within the first three years.
Dr. Leroy Anderson passed just this past June after suffering so terribly. The cancer events at Yarnell were and are slower at killing their victims. His environment was painted red with retardant so he lived and breathed it daily–but he was a health doctor so he was doing all things to keep his health up–yet it has been to no avail.
I had wanted to publish his photo during his last days. His head was totally covered with cancer and so hideous you have to turn your head upon viewing the photographs. He was kept wrapped like a mummy with a white cloth about his head so he only had a slit to look through. I guarantee that if you see his photograph you would never allow retardant to be dispersed on your home and environment. I do not know if it is legal to publish–but I do believe that good man would want the world to see how he was tortured because some idiot believes retardant is safe or else does not give a shit and is making profit at the expense of peoples health and lives.
I will continue to complain–our restrictions of the first amendment by keeping media at bay, our touting of certain people that err as heroes when they kill, and our allowing of toxic and secret chemicals to douse human environments is equal to allow murders to run free. Our hope is through the good and honest Journalists and Media people that these wrongs will be corrected.
Slainte
One thing that concerns the wild land fire fighter is the increase of wild fires and at a greater intensity due to elevated dehydration rates of the fuel. However, I think that many of the wild land fire fighter crowd do not think global warming has anything to do with the extreme fire season that includes a trend in world wide drought and even attending weather extremes in areas they were unknown. I had been in that camp of people believing, like Trump, that what are they talking about–carbon dioxide just makes plants grow better–this is all a ploy to destroy industry, car manufacturing, gas and coal burning needed electric energy production and so on. Some citizens even talk about government scam to collect carbon footprint monies.
Certainly I had to wonder when I learned that above 97% of the Climate and even other informed Scientists declare that Global Warming is a fact and a real danger–they have named the new era of humans as the Anthropocene–Anthropos means human and cene means ending. Their concern led me to wonder why these people believe in global warming increased by more CO2, Methane, and other air pollutants.
Did you know that this summer there were temperatures at 110F above the Arctic Circle? I don’t know if that was on main stream news since I do not watch the propaganda spewing industrial owned media except on very rare occasions–not even once this month. But the fact that the average temperature in the Arctic is 11 degrees higher that it has ever been in 700 million years ought to be head line news. Maybe it is or was?
But let me get to why these anomalies are happening– Over 36 Billion tons of Carbon Dioxide were spewed into the atmosphere this past year alone. Most of that is from the US, followed by other European countries. China is low on the list as a contributor despite what you would be made to believe–
” The United States has emitted more CO2 than any other country to date: at around 400 billion tonnes since 1751, it is responsible for 25% of historical emissions;
this is twice more than China – the world’s second largest national contributor;
the 28 countries of the European Union (EU-28) – which are grouped together here as they typically negotiate and set targets on a collaborative basis – is also a large historical contributor at 22%;
many of the large annual emitters today – such as India and Brazil – are not large contributors in a historical context; the United States has emitted more CO2 than any other country to date: at around 400 billion tonnes since 1751, it is responsible for 25% of historical emissions;
this is twice more than China – the world’s second largest national contributor;
the 28 countries of the European Union (EU-28) – which are grouped together here as they typically negotiate and set targets on a collaborative basis – is also a large historical contributor at 22%;
many of the large annual emitters today – such as India and Brazil – are not large contributors in a historical context;
Africa’s regional contribution – relative to its population size – has been very small. This is the result of very low per capita emissions – both historically and currently.
Africa’s regional contribution – relative to its population size – has been very small. This is the result of very low per capita emissions – both historically and currently.”
You have to say so what? To understand the problem that a blanket of invisible C02 has to do with warming the planet you can do your own test. You see, Oxygen and Nitrogen do not absorb infrared heat. Infrared goes right through the air back into space enough that excess heating of the planet is stopped. However the level of CO2 in the air is crucial because infrared heat that goes though the C02 molecule is again regenerated with only about half the infrared allowed to escape into space.
Remember the science project where you weigh a balloon empty, then blow it up–and suddenly you find the balloon has actually gained weight. Well do to to see if CO2 actually traps heat from infrared–take two fruit jars –put a lid on on, then in the other put a bit of baking soda then add a touch of vinegar and allow it to fizz a bit–you might want to hold the lid about half way across the Jar for ten seconds or so then close that lid. Inside is CO2-so if you did not have access to a CO2 welding bottle to fill the jar then you are in business for the experiment. Find your infrared sunburn–tan lamp and expose the two jars to that lamp. You will find the CO2 jar much hotter than the air jar. CO2 does not hinder light coming in but once that light hits the ocean or land and converts to heat waves or infrared–those waves go up and again react with C02 to make more heat. Methane is a greater heat retainer by a factor of 35x that of CO2–20 other air pollutants are included in trapping heat on earth.
So if you understand the delicate process of the ecosystem and how these gases react with heat attempting to escape earth into space then you have an idea why 97% of those scientists–except those drawing high wages from polluting Oligarchs and Military Industries emitting more tons of pollution–then you can understand a bit about the dangers we are in and why the crazy droughts, wild fires, and an Arctic that is now almost to the point that there is no summer ice at all when for 700 million years the ice in the Arctic had never melted in the summertime season.
If you bother to look at time lapse photos of the Arctic since satellite photos started you will see a frozen Arctic with ice escaping into the Atlantic Ocean to a point where now in the summer months there is only a thin shelf of ice left. The Arctic and the Antarctic are totally essential to cooling the planet–The Arctic causes the flow of the ocean waters. That flow has to do with ocean life to the point that the whole of the Great Coral Reef will be warmed to a point it will die into a bleached reef –white and devoid of marine biological life that is dependent upon it–some 4000 species of marine life depend upon the Coral reef–3/4 of earths oxygen comes from the ocean plant life–very much of the micro biology depends upon the coral and will not survive once the coral bleaches and dies.
Here is the thing–Trump is interested in his golf course and making America Great Again by spewing as much carbon in the air he can without having too many complaints–and especially he loves his many country club golf courses around the world for their profits and hobnobbing with his Oligarchic community despite the terrible pollutant used on those things –herbicide, pesticide, phosphate, ammonium compounds, and fresh water in huge amounts as fresh water is scarce–to the destruction of ocean zones of death to marine making poison red algae if you like the color red. And he is not the only one, Biden is following it is one rat voice that only becomes the same rat with a voice change–more squeaky now.
So if you think there is no global warming effect–make a tour of the Arctic–you won’t even need an icebreaker ship. The polar bears in many places are skeletons because they can no longer forage–many are now carcasses from lack of food.
But why not go for a game of golf–I have a desert behind and have been finding golf balls–someone like golfing the desert–maybe I ought to try but then driving a little ball toward a tiny hole off in the distance is not my forte.
Slainte
What are the conclusions–C02 continues to linger in the atmosphere and concentrate–it life is in hundreds of years before being dissolved. Methane is about a decade and hydro and flouro carbons and other pollutants such as nitrous oxide causing acid rain all have different times–but C02 and Methane are the greatest worries due to their concentrations.
It is pretty much determined by the best analysis that there may well not be a decade to stop the continued concentrating of pollutants –especially C02 and Methane into the atmosphere. There are experiments being made by covering a lake in Minnesota with a silicon bead thing that floats and reflects sunlight such as old ice of Antarctic and Arctic do. White old ice reflects 80% of sunlight while one year ice only reflects 45% and new ice only about 5% with the rest going into heating the ocean waters. This bead thing invented to possible alleviate trapped infrared reflects only 45% but might be enough to buy some time for better intervention. Somewhere above 2 degrees of global warming is a tipping point where global temperatures will rise 8 or ten degrees or more almost overnight in a loop that feeds itself. When that happens 99% of the planet can get under their school room table or their dinner tabel, put their head between their legs and kiss their ass good bye–there will be no remedy at that point.
Despite Trump wearing and bragging on a plastic industry he took credit for along the river–use paper or your own cloth bag better for groceries and if you can afford one of those EV’s that go 700 miles now and do not cost a fortune–get one–and stay the fuck off Trumps Golf Courses (or any) if you believe in a clean and healthy ocean.
On the other hand this is free America–but do you have the right to pollute it to its death?
correction–Trump has 16 golf courses and elite country clubs about the world–not just a single one–Don’t invite me–I know he wouldn’t anyway unless or my invite might be delivered by a drone Funny–but Hitler was keen at eliminating all dissidents to fascism–he just used the SS–CIA version of taking care of dangerous peace makers or other troublemakers.
I have to laugh at a take on how nice Bill Gates is to donate billions to charity while at the same time he saves tens of billions in taxes by doing so–and his tax bill was less than 2% of what he earns and several years he was able to pay none and that goes for most other Billionaires including the Facebook and Twitter censor specialists. The jerk Zuckerberg who thinks he has the right to censor people and Bezos of Amazon paid less than 2% of their earnings as well– They too had years of no tax payment while they collect billions in profits. Certainly they contributed a few millions to charity and the Biden campaign as tax write offs. But they are also less than 2% while your friendly IRS collects that income tax off the working stiff and it is not going to be any measly 2%. I know–it always irked me when I dropped down in a 900 foot hole to take a walk back in for a quarer mile or more to drill, blast and muck our Uranium ore then drag ass out to find the government had remove about half of my pay for taxes, insurance, SS and other thing they could imagine. It damn sure was no 2%.
But people want to portray these tax dodgers as heroes- They would be if they paid their fair share perhaps–but to me someone like Zuckerberg is a kook trying to censor opinions and facts–what to get a slinky man as our President? Maybe your idea that someone like Gates is something great–but if all truth were know I would have left him on Lolita Island where he and the Clintons liked to visit.
The boys are fed and my small garden watered. It is amazing how quickly I have spinach up after the three days of good showers. Rain water has the right ingredients to stimulate plants –something included that ground waters do not have that causes the garden and all this desert to come alive into a carpet of greenery. In a few days I will have edible spinach, arugula and other greens to eat over the chemically sprayed Wal Mart Variety. I know Albertson’s is no different but I am get my groceries at one spot–the Wal Mart brand since things all filter in from various places around the world no matter where you shop. And the so called farmer’s market stuff is found to be 75% vendors that buy at wholesalers and sell as home grown organic produce. Sometimes they even forget to take off the tags and act as if they are real farmers. Well there are organic farmers there but you better follow them home to their farm to be sure. It is all in making a living–but the human species is not known for honest when profits are at stake and they might not be detected for their dishonesty. It is also true that there are good people that do not and will not compromise their integrity for any filthy lucre price. And in the fire fighting industry thank you Dr. Ted, Gary Olson, Fred and others that have taken the hard way–the straight and narrow over their own peril of being labeled and ostracized in their own professions.
Gary’s story of being the youngest ever crew boss at 22 years of age is something that would be strange if I in my own way was similar to my own experience. I had at the same age hired on as a miner at a deep mine just out of Fierro, New Mexico. I was working there for some time as a drift miner when one of the bosses asked me if I would take on a job to finish a raise another miner had started but had quit or gotten injured. I had never worked a raise but being full of piss and vinegar I could not refuse. The pay went up and for me it was a new thing.
You see raise mining is the most dangerous job in mining–perhaps aside from pulling pillars in an Uranium mine. This was to be an ore chute where you drill and blast going straight up to another level where ore will be dumped down that chute to a bin below. The bin will have an air operated flap that will allow ore and muck from the higher level to be dumped into an ore car on tracks and then taken to the main shaft and dumped again into a bid that feeds an ore bucket that can be drawn to the surface. To get an idea, you build a zig, zag set up out of timbers wedged in so there are landings every 6-8ft so you have a platform to drill off of. The platform you build better be wedged in properly since if it gives then down you go with machine, timbers and anything loose. The higher you are, the farther you fall–and once past ten foot that fall is almost certain to be an injury if not fatal. There are few miners that will take on the job as a raise miner–those that do know that even the experienced raise miner is working in an extremely dangerous occupation.
I had advanced about twenty feet above where the last miner had left off when the my platform timbers gave way–down I went with timbers, a machine that weighs over a hundred pounds with hoses and the two other drill steel you always keep handy beside a hammer to drive in wedges and any loose rock on the platform. Of course it is not the fall that hurts you but the sudden stop and anything like a timber or a machine that lands atop you. Fortunately in that thirty foot fall there was a soaked and good sized muck pile from previous blasts I had done and by some quirk of luck the timbers, debris and iron that followed me down landed about me and not on me.
But you see there was a boss that had set a young miner out to do a job that only an old experienced hand should have done. But that boss we call shifters could not find another experienced hand who would take on raise mining. Raise miners are a scarce item. Yet I took on something as an older experienced miner I may well not have done. You can be sure my next drilling platform was better wedged in–yet that one error could well have been my last–only an experienced raise miner should be allowed to do that job and if not he ought to have a raise miner teach him the ropes of how to stay alive and what situations you do not do in order to keep that way.
It is that you see these Bosses only want to get the job done–few of them think of what they do. Maybe the boss above that shifter boss would have prevented an inexperienced raise miner to do that–maybe not–there was no one else that would take the job.
But in wild land fire fighting I should believe there would be extremely more concern. There are 20 lives at stake there where in raise mining only one–you can not even take a helper with you–just too dangerous and he would be in the way in a cramped situation as it is anyway. But it also shows the willingness for a young fellow to take on a job he might not do if he were older and knew better. Gary made it though alive and without killing others or himself–but was it a situation that should have been sanctioned by those who governed with a higher G string?
Drive your wedges in hard and solid–
Slainte–time for some cowboy coffee that will float a horseshoe.
You might want to know if I finished that raise–the answer was no–It was to be a 150 ft raise–usually the next level is 50 ft. but in that case the next level up was 150 ft.. I only got up 80 ft. when the mine went on strike. I did not join the strike but tramped on North to Nevada and took on drift mining again. I never again took on a raise–maybe because no other mine needed one. And had they, yes I would have done it again knowing that few would do it and even fewer would qualify.
And that Fierro mine stayed on strike 9 months–they gained a dime an hour on their daily wages–but as a contract miner that was nothing to add to your troubles–why you never saw a contract miner working union and I did not join there either. Which is not to say I did not support the union efforts–they had the mine worker interests at heart in most cases but as a contract miner you were on your own and paid according to what you could produce–my production was always at minimum double what a days pay worker would make–and all contract miners would do the same or they would not last.
I did not realize this was Friday. Ha I am suffering like Biden–thought it was Wednesday. I wouldn’t be up to doing a Presidency and neither is he–but then you don’t need to be–you don’t run things there anyway–he is pulling people out of Afghanistan saying we can’t be rebuilding another nation that ought to be doing that themselves–true, but the real reason is because the real rulers told him we will soon be at war with China and/or Russia/add Iran and Venezuela– so we will need those troops in another scenario on possible several fronts. The war industry is not about to quit wars, however the next great war will be because China takes back Taiwan or the Stupid English leader orders another ship to invade Russian waters or the like. We need to keep war going–it is the only economy and job security besides the burning forests or Micky Dees and Wal Mart. I fear the only people that might be left are those that have found an isolated cave somewhere in the woods and are savvy enough to survive.
To add to this there was a fully red heifer born in Jerusalem area–quite exciting for the Jews and even some Christians since the Jews are waiting take that as a sign of the beginning of the Apocalypse. However after some months–i think 9 it was–a tuft of white appeared on her tail so that ended her purity and the fulfillment of the prophecy. I like the Native American idea of a white buffalo –you can use a little Clorox and bleach a white tuft on a tail of a bovine creature –but you would have big problems to bleach a whole buffalo on and Indian prophecy.
Slainte
I have had a great interest in why so many died at Yarnell after the wild land fires of 2013 and 2015, both of which resulted in extreme inundation of the town residences with retardant also as well as surrounding the town with copious amounts of the deadly substance. I had long ago attributed the many deaths and illnesses after these retardant dispersions but I could understand how they could be connected to the many heart attacks we were seeing in friends and neighbors within even the first year after the attack on the town with the dreaded red and orange Phos Chek retardant. I had a personal interest in the heart attack situation since I had fallen dead in the VA parking lot less than 5 minutes after leaving a visit with two Cardiologists there.
Joy and I had hiked over a hundred times with wild land firemen, media and others including the federal death investigators through the retardant residues and I as well during the time and years after was living in a cabin that had also direct retardant hits on the cabin and yard. At the time of the heart attacks I had been at Yarnell about a year but I had seen many already dead from heart attacks and some–the Librarian for instance–having open heart surgery to survive. During the 2 years beyond that first heart attack I suffered 5 more with 3 near fatal–the result was 6 heart stents, something I will have the rest of my life.
However since removing myself from Yarnell for about 4 years and visiting emergency when I thought I was on the verge of a new heart attack, at least 3 of those visits required cauterization of the arteries and heart that were found to be clear of the cholesterol that during Yarnell times were blocking arteries and causing the heart attacks. Certainly I am a very fortunate fellow–I had been saying 9 died in the weeks I was in the hospital–something Joy had told me–but with my 10% hearing ability, she corrected that to 19 died in that short time.
These later pains have to be attributed to angina or perhaps since being shot though the right lung and having cracked ribs and about 200 lead shout dispersed about my chest–that could be the extreme chest pain I now sometimes experience. And it must be extreme to get me into a hospital–I am not a hospital person or any other confining type situation.
Do not think I write for sympathy–I write about these problems because people need to understand the dangers of retardant and it may well save some of you the misery caused by those deadly toxins in the retardant–some so deadly they hide them under trade secret laws.
One I suspect that is there under trade secret laws is PFAS–
Scientific studies have provided “strong evidence” linking PFAS exposure to elevated cholesterol, thyroid disease, damage to the liver and kidneys, effects on fertility and low birth weight, according to Schaider. Research also suggests that exposure to PFAS chemicals might suppress the immune systems of young children, potentially making vaccines less effective.
Did you notice the formation of elevated cholesterol? PFAS are called “forever chemicals” –they are flouro carbons invented in the thirties–are very stable and hang around in the environment as well as a contaminant in ground waters where they do not degrade. They are especially useful in retardant formulas and fire fighting foams–Obama OK’d them when for fracking as well–so copious amounts were pumped into ground waters.
They are no longer manufactured in the US–what is–China even makes 94% of the pills you take–at pennies I might add they stick you for hundreds a pill and Biden–other Garcs have a hand behind their backs somewhere to allow–and why would a man like Obama allow PFAS in fracking considering its dangers? Maybe another hand behind the back situation?
The two PFAS chemicals you’re most likely to hear about are perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) and perfluorooctane sulfonate (PFOS). These are no longer manufactured in this country but are in everyday products imported–and what today is not imported? Most of our retardant comes from Israel–so has Obama been there too? And when has Biden addressed environmental issues. Not on the news I have been watching–but then that is not the main media.
It is amazing what these chemicals can do–and the medical profession will prescribe some that will likely help you if you can handle the side effects–or as they say the benefits outweigh the side effects.
Despite the remaining uncertainty, scientists have found that PFAS chemicals affect “every major organ in the human body,
So where are they found?
” PFAS chemicals were invented in the 1930s, and found to have some useful qualities for consumer products because they repel oil, water and grease. Companies used these chemicals in many common items, like paper food packaging (think microwave popcorn bags and pizza boxes), stain-proof rugs, waterproof clothing, some types of dental floss and nonstick cookware.d”
The EPA has found widespread contamination of groundwaters with PFSA. Yet the heavy dumping and continued use of this substance goes on. With wild fires now increased to almost double last years burning you can expect more contamination of the environment. But as the behind the back EPA would say or any doctor will tell you –we must weigh the benefits against the effects. And with past records the EPA high officials went right into jobs with the very people they were investigating. That is how the system works, like it or not.
However, the common citizen can attempt to avoid those chemicals such as retardant and the less of them you inhale, drink, eat or allow to contact your skin the better your survival rate and the less your doctor visits.
Slainte- May the good gods of the Irish light your paths–or your own gods if you prefer.
If you hike or get outdoors here in New Mexico or when I was an Arizona visitor–you are bound to notice your neck burning or if you are a baldy (fly skating rink) without a hat then you will feel a neck burn like fire. I wear a hat with a neck protector now. Yet I can tell you as a child hiker, I never had such burning sensation from the sun radiation.
This is due to the depleted ozone in the stratosphere. The flourocarbons used in refrigants was banned because of its chemical reaction to reduce Ozone essential to filter out harmful radiation.
PFSA is a flourocarbon chemical, although in a solid form. How much of it gets into the atmosphere as fumes off the processing and making of it is not told. I am certain there has to be a lot of it considering the huge use of these compounds.
It is the planet and the eco system that the Idiocracy seems to be very little concerned about until I do believe bar a nuclear war wild be a nuclear global warming event that may well be underway at this very moment. Once triggered there will be a fast destruction of the eco system–the environment will no longer sustain life and you will entertain and be entertained with the deaths of billions of souls. A sad and horrible vision but absolutely the true outcome of disregarding the pollution and chemical destruction now on a threshold of spontaneous destruction.
Paper not plastic==no more retardant dumps–no more fossil fuel contamination–no mineral and radioactive and phosphate water and ocean poisoning–and maybe–but the world is loaded with ignoramuses–and even those like Obaama and Clintons and Bushes etc with bathides from Ivy and Harvard type Universities–shame on them they know better but it is power and money over the health of the earth and its common people.
The following is about PFAS chemnicals used in fire fighiting retardants, plastic making, and many other industrial processes. From RTI testing laboratories who do work for EPA and others to test soil and drinking water toxicity–
“PFAS compounds, especially the longer chain chemicals, do not easily degrade and can persist in the environment for a significant amount of time. Due to widespread use, PFAS such as PFOS and PFOA are prevalent throughout the environment, resulting in contamination of drinking water, surface water, and soil. The highest concentrations are typically encountered in areas in close proximity to facilities where firefighting training has occurred, industrial production facilities, and discharge from waste water treatment plants (both in effluents and bio solids)As a result of their widespread presence in the environment, human exposure to PFAS compounds occurs through use of commercial products, drinking water, air, and dust. Studies have indicated that these compounds are present in virtually all individuals. PFAS have been linked to potential health effects including cancer, disruption of endocrine activity, reduced immune system function and impairment of various organs.”
I remember Chuck of Yarnell who had been a former helicopter pilot and hero of the town –often helping and informing locals about the problems of the Yarnell Fires and getting aid to them and also leader of many town meetings involving the fire damage.
The fire people did him a great favor by inundating his home on the north end of town with copious amounts of foam retardant–as I was told by certain individuals who resided near his residence. It was not many months after the fire that Chuck actually announced that he had been diagnosed with prostate cancer–I was at that town meeting so I know he did. By now, if he is still alive, I wonder if he also has come down with heart failure, cancer or COPD.
Chuck is one among many in Yarnell that have suffered–yet I wonder if he would even consider that the retardant sprayed on his home would have anything to do with his disease. Yet the testing lab says you need to beware of the soils near where the firefighters train using the retardants.
And yes they are phasing out the use of PFOS chemicals–the flouro carbon compounds that are so dangerous. But they are certainly not banning them–and what else are they not phasing out? Plastic making certainly has not been phased out to China–maybe the Chinese chemists know it is better to leave that poison maker alone. They have enough pollution already and are doing plenty to reduce it–even to the point of mandating the almost total extinction of oil and gasoline fueled vehicles by 2030.
It is only ignorance when people do not address the issues we have not addressed in this country. The damage we are doing to our own environment involves not only this country but the whole of the planet.
Denial and just as we shadowed the killing of the 19 GMHS crew by bad bosses, so are we shadowing the disasters of continued dumping of these chemicals in our environment. We have no concern for those individuals outside our own greeding self serving interests–our children that inherit our methods and the sacred life of the planet and its delicate eco system.
The wars continue–huge flotillas of our ships take our young veterans off to places thousands of miles from home across vast oceans to show our war rage at other nations. Yet we are the greatest of polluter, war mongering and interfering nation on earth. And that with only 4.4% of the world population.
The commoners among us truly want to do the right thing–but the lies and misinformation we are told and sold by the powers that be, those industries and war industries that promote this insanity–keep most of us in ignorance. It is easy as Herman Goering said–just demonize those that are peace makers–call them traitors of the country–and the people will follow.
You ;have little defense except your own in matters of health and well being. These war industries and chemical factories all have the funds to hire the best of propagandists, lobbyists, psychologists, medical doctors to defend their poisons.
They have fine tuned their methods so that perceptions are created among the populace to support their evil. Yet there is hope–some Journalists and only a few will not be bought–they will research and continue to expose the lies and defend the truth. There are a few brave men/women of good character left.
Thanks John Daugherty–you have been a great example to all who would seek the truth.
Most of us that have spent much time outdoors in the woods or outback know that if you get even the most docile of animals in a corner it will attack. Never think you can corner a bunny and expect it not to react–it might look defenseless but in fact will inflict a deep wound with those knife sharp teeth.
So you can imagine only a fool would corner a tiger, yet we have cornered something beyond a tiger–something so dangerous an act that it could mean the end of life for 90% of life on this planet. Our YO YO President has ordered the surrounding of a Dragon with nukes and at the same time he and his playmates have been poking at a Bear.
I look at that Black Fellow running the military and I see a fellow raring for a fight with anything that might even look crosswise at him. This, while knowing our past Presidents have sacrificed over 250,000 of our young soldiers and other military men and women not to mention the physical and mental injuries of those young people–all to secure oil and profits for the Oligarchy while all along they knew it is no big thing to do electric, solar, hydrogen and other non-polluting methods to furnish the energy for cars, homes, etc. Even nuclear fission is dismissed over Fusion yet Fission is a hundred times safer than Fusion. Then why Fusion plants instead of Fission? Because they needed the by products that create a bomb from a Fusion reactor. Fission was out of the question–nukes and more nukes are in vogue.
But now we have sent our young military men –they say 140,000 if that is the real figure to surround and corner a Dragon and a Bear– these are not bunny rabbits but they will react just as you corner any wild beast would.
And this fool is demanding 5 billion more to make this happen? Where do these yahoos appear from?
But of course, there is a concerted effort to demonize the Chinese and Russians. It is part of the manipulation process of the masses–get em mad and anyone not mad at the Chinese and Russians will be branded a traitor. But who really is the traitor–putting this country and even the planet at risk because the trade deficit or China id selling more goods and thumbing their noses at the American Dollar seems to me to be about as traitorous as you can get–especially to risk young heroes under false pretenses.
We do not need another fake war such as Viet Nam was–China will not be as easy as Viet Nam–we lost the war there and you can damn well believe that cornering Russian and Chinese military might is not smart no matter how many military so called intelligence say they are backward countries. We could not even win in Afghanistan–people like that love their country and they will not stand for foreign intrusion.
The only thing good about these recent line of liars we have had representing this country was they had limited time in office–but the bad is they never really leave–the Oligarchy just clones in another.
An email to Joy from Sonny:
Joy I could not figure out the outgoing server and outgoing smp or whatever that is to connect to Nori’s email. If you want me to comment–you can paste this and send to Nori
From Tex Gilligan
Dear Nori–Joy Collura and I were also survivors of that tragedy that killed the GMHS crew and also would have died as Donut nearly did–we barely had a scant less than 5 minutes left or we would have also perished. As Donut, we were lookouts–only from the civilian side. Joy and I met Eric Marsh, the leader of the crew, about 9:30AM that morning just below the fire line going up. We had left at 3:30 AM while it was still dark to make the hike to the fireline. Joy wanted to get up there to see if the fire would advance toward her town of Congress and also to warn any prospectors or others in the area about the fire.
Joy has been an unspoken hero–she was the one to take over 1500 photos–those of the men going up went world wide and photos of the place they died were taken just hours before when there was still forage there–again, Joy’s efforts that were revealing the events of that tragic day. \
We had gotten to the fire edge when Marsh again came to us and cautioned us to leave because retardant drops were being made–a danger without hard hats–so we headed south but remained in view of the GMHS crew and the advancing fire.
We stayed until I decided the wildfire was about to change and I became alarmed–I could feel a wind change and there was a storm of cold air at higher elevation about to descend upon a hot area where temperatures were above 100F–106F as I remember that day of June 30, 2013. We departed at the very point they were to descend to their deaths–a decision that saved us, although even the way we escaped we were in peril.
Joy has not gone a day since without working on an issue about the fire–she even became a certified wild land fire fighter, interviewed dozens of wild land fire fighers, loved ones and friends of the fire fighters, as well as obtained tens of FOIA documents concerning the fire, as well as hiking above 900 different people to the area. She in truth became an authority on the truth and facts about the deaths of the GMHS crew and what and who were involved. The story is not quite what the Forest Service and others want the public to believe.
She also became concerned when so many people in Yarnell were dead or on their death beds after the wild land fire. I myself fell dead some months after the fire with a heart attack in front of the VA clinic in Prescott, AZ where I had just seen two cardiologists.
Joy, because she had authority, had my life support plugs pulled–I had a no resuscitation statement she was honoring. But then I came alive and have since had 5 more heart attacks and 6 heart stints. But we were watching friends in Yarnell–a small town of just over 600 people–getting sick and passing–many healthy with too many surprises. About 100 were dead withing the first year and that went to 200 since the fire and a second one in 2015 that totaled hundreds of thousands of gallons of the orange and red retardant dumped on the residences of the small town.
I began to connect the retardant to these deaths and illnesses. Some of the ingredients are hidden under trade secret, but the main ones of Phosphates and Ammonium are not pleasant. Fall River in Idaho got only about a thousand gallons dumped in it causing the death of over 20,000 fish where 6 miles of river became a death zone for fish. If you google Florida where phosphates are leaching into rivers near the ocean, you will see photos of thousands of dead fish along the beaches killed by this chemical–it is also a fresh water contaminator as it leaches into the ground. The Ocean dead zones are created from the phosphate and ammonium compounds that feed the deadly red algae in those zones.
Yet little has been said about the terrible effects on the human–You must know that when a third of a town is dead and many others ill from cancer, heart problems, lung and kidney problems something is awry. In fact none of this was going on until after the copious quantities of retardant were dumped directly on residences at Yarnell.
I had found that in times past cyanide for gold mining was made by taking the same ingredients of ammonium nitrates and phosphates and heating them over hot coals. Cyanide gases in only 6ppm were found to be dangerous and places that use this deadly substance must keep the air controlled. Arizona now uses it for death chambers–and cyanide the size less than a green pea will kill a person–Zyclon B was the cyanide gas Hitler used to kill Jews and Goering himself was smuggled a small pill to beat the hanging at Nuremberg. But even as dangerous are the flouro carbons used in fire retardants. I found that they are able to cause cholesterol to accumulate and cause the heart attacks–the very thing that gave me 6 heart attacks.
Since moving from Yarnell to my place in New Mexico, I have had instances where I believed I was having another heart attack. Each time a catheter was run to my heart and through my arteries–and each time my arteries and heart are found to be clear. The doctors tell me we see the stents but your pipes are clean.
And that since I died a second time from a direct shotgun wound that shattered my clavicle, pierced the right lung and cracked three ribs leaving an ounce of lead shot scattered throughout my chest cavity. So that could be the fake heart pain signals.
Yes Donut was a disaster for his loss, although he has never been completely honest about the events. He could not be, he was ordered to be mum, lawyered up and kept quiet for the longest leaving the loved ones in limbo to the truth of why their loved ones were killed. Joy and I felt that public servants owed the taxpayer the truth yet there was and still remains an all out effort to conceal the truth in favor of protecting reputations. The Yarnell deaths have amounted to more than the 19–they included hundreds more from the town itself and none of these were accidents.
Joy has a website that addresses many of the issues and is directed at revealing the truth and covers years of tedious work she has done toward interviews, FOIA information and actual experience on the fire that day. She is an invaluable source of true information and documented fact about it. She is also working with Scott Briggs on a documentary about the truth of the Yarnell fire and those GMHS deaths.
I have posted much on Investigative Media about the retardant toxins–my concern. Have Joy send you a photo of Dr. Anderson on his last days after exposure to the retardant that had painted his house and yard red. You may not be able to bear viewing it for more than a few seconds.
Reply to OZWFF post on November 12, 2020 at 11:17 pm\
I’m still playing ‘catch up’ with the recent posts, and I wanted to be sure and respond to everything you’ve been saying/asking.
I think we have covered some of the following in other posts, already, so forgive me if there’s some OVERLAP with this ‘Reply’.
>> OZWFF said…
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>> Okay, here’s where I’m at with this now and thank you for your patience!
>>
>> Musser was driving the blue pickup ( I call it the Poxy Blue Truck, PBT,
>> because it has been a pain in the backside to match with events and people );
Agree. I’d call this better than 98 percent certain.
>> Tony Sciacca was driving the white PFWFD truck with the covered tray;
No doubt ( Proven ).
>> By the way, I really don’t think he ( Tony Sciacca ) was the overhead
>> who told the evacuating drivers in the Youth Camp to leave the FF as
>> they couldn’t run fast enough.
Agree.
Sciacca never went back to the Youth Camp itself. The identity of that person who told the Peeples Valley FF’s to ‘get out’ and NOT wait for their crew members has never been established. Could have been TFLD(t) Tyson Esquibel. He WAS ‘back there’ at that time.
>> Charlie Reyes is the dude wearing the shirt with Central Yavapai Fire
>> written on the back; The guy with that shirt on is in all the right
>> places in Story and Lees photos to have been him.
Highly likely.
>> He ( Charlie Reyes ) was Engine Boss of Central Yavapai ENG 59.
Yes.
>> Reyes told Cordes about the deployment.
Yes.
That’s when Cordes replied ( to Reyes ) “BULLSHIT!” and told Reyes he ( Cordes ) thought Granite Mountain had plenty of time to make it to the Boulder Springs Ranch.
>> Rance Marquez is the hiding guy in the RR video
Disagree. ( More below in the section about the SWARTZ photos ).
>> and it isn’t Frisby standing next to him (the guy in the ballcap with arms folded);
>>
>> Frisby is a lot slighter build and he never took his helmet or
>> glasses off at RHR. If you look at him and True in the third
>> Hulburd video when they are waiting at the Shrine deciding to
>> break through you can see many traits of the guy who isn’t True
>> and they do not match that guy in the RR video.
Agree. You are totally right about ‘pants length’.
Frisby really could NOT be that FF with the black ballcap who is seen ‘staring down the camera’ in the RR video.
I have no idea who that might be… or if it was even a Blue Ridge Hotshot.
** THE SWARTZ PHOTOS
>> OZWFF also said…
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>> The RHR rally point is shown in Swartz 1843 and 1844.
Yes.
>> Compare the dude looking away from the camera in Swartz 1843
>> at the RHR rally point. Clothing, haircut pattern, radio harness
>> to the guy in the RR video. I think they are the same guy just
>> without the helmet. The guy at the rally point has to be Rance Marquez
>> and I think Carrouthers is the other white helmet in that group.
I agree that those are both most likely Rance Marquez and Cougan Carothers standing there in Swartz 1843 ( both with WHITE helmets on, Marquez on the left and Carothers on the right ).
But I disagree that the one who appears to be Marquez matches the FF who is seen ‘hiding from the camera’ in the Russ Reason ( RR ) video.
Reasons…
1. I’m not seeing the same ‘matches’ between the two that you are.
Example: The FF who ‘hides’ from the camera in the RR video was SHORT. His head wasn’t any higher than the roof of that camper top on the back of Marty Cole’s ALL-WHITE Toyota Tacoma, where they were all standing. The FF with with the WHITE helmet in Swartz 1843 who appears to be Rance Marquez seems much TALLER than just the roof of a camper top.
Yes… they are both sporting ‘black chest packs’… but I’m seeing some subtle differences.
Clincher ( for me ) would be the ‘gut check’ ( as in belly-size ).
The FF in the RR video had a pretty good one going ( as in… I wonder if he’s seen his feet lately )… whereas the FF with WHITE helmet in Swartz 1843 seems much ‘slimmer’, gut-wise.
2. I still think the timing on the RR video was too soon for DIVZ Rance Marquez to have been there at the Ranch House Restuarant.
The ‘Swartz’ photos are here in the public evidence ‘Dropbox’…
Photos and Video/AerialFirefightingstudy/Swartz/Pictures/Nikon/North of Fire/Town of Yarnell
Direct link to Swartz 1843 in that folder…
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/02ue6bnjp6nazkm/AACU1unBtkzIdUt_pw2z0_Iaa/Photos%20and%20Video/AerialFirefightingstudy/Swartz/Pictures/Nikon/North%20of%20Fire/Town%20of%20Yarnell?dl=0&preview=20130630_1843_AZ-A1S-000688__YARNELL_FB_1_G_RS.JPG&subfolder_nav_tracking=1
>> OZWFF also said…
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>> Who is “briefing” Trueheart Brown in the Story photos?
>> I really think it could be Cordes.
I think we covered this one already. I believe ( for reasons already given ) the guy with his back to the camera in that Tom Story photo number 1678 is FBAN Byron Kimball. I also wouldn’t say, just based on that one photo, that he was ‘briefing’ Trueheart Brown.
More like the other way around, I think.
IMHO there isn’t much chance it was SPGS1 Gary Cordes.
Too many ‘physical appearance’ details just don’t match for it to have been Cordes ( also IMHO ).
More later
Followup…
PUBLIC photo of Cougan Carothers,
Central Arizona Fire – Battalion 3 Chief – A-Shift
https://www.cazfire.org/team/cougan-carothers/
All good!
I hope I’m not rehashing stuff for you too much. This timeline between 1550 and 1720 has a lot going on in it obviously. I believe you’re right about Kimball so that one can lay down now.
I am interested on what you think about my theories in response to your question about Ball at the HWY 89 meeting and whether it’s plausible from what we can see in his own photos that it was Cordes himself who dropped him at Yarnell Fire Station. Located, of course, on HWY 89 opposite Shrine and not far from Norton Way where Cordes stated he was involved in rescues.
As I said before I’m trying to nail down what Musser and Cordes were actually doing between 1550 and 1720 that afternoon as they are pivotal in this whole thing.
That said, do you have a timeline for that period?
Thanks again!
OZWFF
BTW,
I hear what you say about Marquez. He has been, in my mind, quite secretive about what, why and where he was that whole day. My opinion that he is hiding in the RR video comes from that. I’ll go and have another look at your body type description to see if I can concur!
OZWFF
Yes, OZWFF is quite aware of the problem of secrecy in concerning the 19 Wild Land Fire Fighter deaths at Yarnell of that tragic Sunday, June 30, 2013. The photo of Caruthers posted by WTKTT reminds us of the great resumes of these heros and their accomplishments in life. Most have similar backgrounds and none are short on bravery to face the death defying job of fire fighting and must have the fortitude, physical strength and instincts to stay alive while fighting these mega fires such as occured at Yarnell and continue to occur. Yet you wonder why such secrecy when it comes to discussing the irresponsible killing of the 19.
I sometimes come to this site to soak in the wisdom of the old timer wild land fire fighters. I am reminded by RTS that instinct is not enough—there is wisdom in procedures of safety written down much like the ten commandments by the old wise and well experienced fire fighters–and the lone survivor saved only by luck of the appearance on a ATV with an aware foreman Frisby. GMHS Donut would tout the 10 Standard Fire Fighting Orders as insignificant–not really important. Instincts were to his way of thinking were what mattered –and apparently that was the attitude of the whole of the crew–yet this time his instincts and that of the crew managers failed them.
The history of the developement of the 10 Standard Fire Fighting Orders began in 1957 when the wise of USDA Forest Service Task Force felt certain safety procedures should be taught to firefighters. The Blackwater fire of 1937 had killed fifteen 17-20 year old inexperienced wildland firefighters due to similar circumstances of wind direction change and placement of wild land fire fighters in a zone of no escape.
Here are the orders that wise wild land fire fighter instructor RTS so often reminds us of concerning the extreme importance of knowing and using these rules to stay alive. The idea that Donut believed that instincts will keep you alive is fallacy in the wild land fire fighting scene–there are proceedures and rules to know and follow–something obviously the managers of the GMHS crew and those above them did not observe.
10 Standard Firefighting Orders
Keep informed on fire weather conditions and forecasts.
Know what your fire is doing at all times.
Base all actions on current and expected behavior of the fire.
Identify escape routes and safety zones and make them known.
Post lookouts when there is possible danger.
Be alert. Keep calm. Think clearly. Act decisively.
Maintain prompt communications with your forces, your supervisor, and adjoining forces.
Give clear instructions and ensure they are understood.
Maintain control of your forces at all times.
Fight fire aggressively, having provided for safety first.
The original order was changed only so they could be more easily memorized–and even then a simple 4 letter version called the LCES was made up to remind the wild land fire fighter to constantly be aware of keeping a look out, have ongoing communications, maintain an escape route, and have an available Safety Zone.
Also introduced were the Watch out orders–for those of us who would want to understand the why the 19 were killed, yet we are not wild land fire fighters–here is what they should have known, understood and followed:
18 Watch Out Situations
These are specific fireline situations that have lead to entrapments, injuries, or fatalities in wildfire history. They serve as cautionary warnings to keep in the back of your mind while fighting fire.
Fire not scouted and sized up.
In country not seen in daylight.
Safety zones and escape routes not identified.
Unfamiliar with weather and local factors influencing fire behavior.
Uninformed on strategy, tactics, and hazards.
Instructions and assignments not clear.
No communication link with crew members or supervisor.
Constructing line without safe anchor point.
Building fireline downhill with fire below.
Attempting frontal assault on fire.
Unburned fuel between you and fire.
Cannot see main fire; not in contact with someone who can.
On a hillside where rolling material can ignite fuel below.
Weather becoming hotter and drier.
Wind increases and/or changes direction.
Getting frequent spot fires across line.
Terrain and fuels make escape to safety zones difficult.
Taking a nap near fireline.
Exactly how many were flaunted by the managers of the Yarnell Wild Land Fire I as a civilian can not say eventhough I personally can see many. It would take Dr. Ted Putnam or Gary Olson or RTS or Norbert of long experience in wild land fire fighting to give you a valid list. And I do know that these lists are out there, yet the main media has skirted their responsibility to point out how the managers of the wild land fire at Yarnell followed the safety rules so badly. Who taught these fire fighters and who allowed their managers to manage these fires? They should be brought to account–wild land fire fighter lives matter.
Something that has always bothered me was that awards were given out to wild land fire fighter bosses after the Yarnell Fire, yet Brian Frisby was never given recognition and an award for saving Donut–a man woefully lacking in understanding wild land fire fighter safety almost as much as Eric Marsh and others in management were in disregarding the safety rules. On the battlefield, Frisby would deserve at least a Presidential Citation for the brave act of risking his own life to fetch and save the life of the sole survivor of the GMHS crew. Donut had no chance to survive had Brian Frisby not risked his own life to save the novice firefighter.
I had received an email from Joy–Donut has a You-Tube deal out on marriage–whew maybe I could have used some advice there but I could not get past the introduction and did not view the content. I thought he was only a spokesman for the wild land fire fighting community –but now he is branching out.
Joy also advised me that John McClean and Holly Niel are some concerned because there is a rumor out that his book won’t be published. He says it will–he does not want to miss out on the profits and the public does not want to miss out on his take of the Yarnell Fire backed by the investigations of Holly Niel and contributions of such notables as Donut and Amanda. He can leave my name out as far as I am concerned though he did interview the hikers.
Holly and her husband did the same. I will say Wayne Niel is very knowledgeable about wild land fire fighting and I read him as an excellent A+ wild land fire fighter. His ability to explain things would make him a top instructor and you would know he would never tolerate a Marsh type operation that goes in needlessly risking lives to protect structures. I would hope he is by now either an instructor or runs a crew–honesty is a top priority and I saw that man at the top of the list. However, honesty might be a fault in some circles such as we saw after the demise of the 19 and so much disinformation published both in media and books–something I do know that Dr. Ted Putnam had to confront McClean on some of his information that needed to be corrected. Fellows, you can not read non-wild land fire fighter books and expect much concerning wild fires and fighting them. The only place to get good information is from the horse’s mouth–those fellows that have made a long career of wild land fire fighting–not the wannabees.
I can tell you how to sound ground down deep in a mine so you will have a better chance of staying safe but if I were to read a book about wild land fire fighting, it would have to be from a wild land fire fighter of long experience (eg Gary Olson’s book). I would not waste my money on John McClean’s book since I know where he got his advice from. Novice wild land fire fighters would get themselves killed and you too if you were dumb enough to follow their advice–honesty in reporting is also necessary.
So happy holidays to all you heros fighting the wild land fires and may you and yours be as safe as is possible.
Who needs money when you can turn water into wine? Jesus did not need to labor –only us blokes that can’t seem to find these easy jobs or else our DNA is has a glitch in it.
The super rich and fat cats live off their interests and the “non eaters” like Ted Turner look askance at the common man considered the bottom feeders of life. I remember selling gold by phone and the fellow salesman at the time said I would never get my hands dirty–I am above that. I have had my hands dirty many times and often coming out from a mine shaft the BLM movement would have been glad to see me.
The working stiff is the backbone of the nation–those honorable men that produce or protect the resources, goods and products for all to enjoy. Certainly we need the reporters, the thinkers and writers and even a few Chiefs hanging around to scrutinize or perhaps organize situations. Just do not let there be too many Chiefs and not enough Indians–especially those Chiefs that tend toward corruption–are involved in the crony systems bought and organized by industrial and war profits off the backs of the producers–that hard working man or woman in this life.
It was a shame to me to see the President Trump lauding the Plastic Industry. Oh yes, it did create jobs along the river but the petrochemical plant he visited is another evil upon us. That thing in Pennsylvania situated near a river so their chemical wastes can find a way into the ground waters, and finally the ocean join the orange retardant to burden and poison the world even more. The almighty dollar–( Trump is no different that any other politician) and profits scale over the eyes of these idiots that run the country and ruin the environment.
Fish today and even the microcosms throughout the oceans are infested with these minute particles of plastics and the chemicals these companies and politicians gleefully continue to contaminate the world with.
Oddly, Elon Musk and others are looking to Mars to set up a colony–the last chance for survival of Homo Sapiens Sapiens. He sees that the earth has been wiped out by natural events –at least 6 times can now be identified. The destruction events have wiped out as much as 90% of life on earth–add to that that mankind’s destructive forces on the environment including the possibility of nuclear destruction we have a guarantee that the earth again will become uninhabitable by humans again.
Mars we now know was once like Earth–in fact, it had oceans, rivers and land much like earth and likely was teeming with life. Did the gods there screw things up like they are doing here–then come to earth with a colony to rework mankind here to be slaves for them and again are working to destroy the planet here–yet looking to go back to Mars knowing that this world is about to come to devastation? The Gods that rule this society are not good ones. They neglect the very basic fundamentals of planet health.
I was too ill yesterday at Wal Mart to check out on my own so I had the cashier at the self check out transfer and check out my grocery and other items from one cart to another–I bought a bunch since I am limiting my trips to town. Despite my protests I wound up with five plastic bags–had I done it myself there would be none–but with that amount of products there would have been a minimum of 15 plastic bags had I done the regular check out where they use a wheel to turn and load the bags.
This is the shame and horror of our country–But then most of us are not informed of the destruction this we are doing of even if we are–such as most educated people are, they turn a blind eye to it all.
If you knew you would kill and sicken a third or more of the good people of a small village by dumping the Agent Orange Retardant on them, would you do it? Would you laugh it off when you learned that a third of the people died and many are sick and on their death beds after you dumped on them?
But you have if you are part of that project at Yarnell.
Ignorance and denial of the truth and what is really going on to harm not only the environment is no excuse. These politicians and bosses involved are not guiltless. We can only hope to show them their folly.
Slainte
Whew–Joy on her site has posted more hot documents–the cronies will be dodging bullets of truth on those FOIA reports.
I was going to head into the hospital tonight for myself but I will tough it out–William Beaumont has some good doctors but they don’t show up until about ten. I know there would be an ER doctor, but I can tough it out until morning. My son is headed this way from Phoenix and it might be better to wait for his arrival.
Those of us that lived at Yarnell got a good screwing from the chemicals they dumped all over the town, during the wild fires of 2013 and 2015. They believed (or at least some believed) they were doing something good for the town when in fact they were doing much harm.
I fell dead with a heart attack within months after the exposure there–well the cabin I purchased was red with retardant as was its yard. Then Joy and I hiked over a hundred and even early on took a lot of exposure in–often covered with soot and retardant as we took people up to the site. But then we did not at the time understand the danger of retardant–she is suffering much now–seeing medical doctors often.
Whew, those are strong chemicals and highly toxic. We don’t know what toxins are in the mix beside the Phosphates and Ammonium but they are indeed killers. Joy has photos of some people that have unimaginable conditions–something that horribly deforms the person to the point they are unrecognizable–and what I saw is a chemical horror scene that if you look upon will surely give you nightmares. Worse disfigurement than had acid been thrown on that person.
We all differ in our reactions to chemicals. Some have fell dead with heart attacks, others have suffered horrible cancer deaths, and yet others have found themselves with COPD and lung conditions and yet others would not admit to their problems. It is after all a private affair and many would think you weak to admit that something ails them. I can understand that, yet I realize that people need to know the facts or there will be continued dumping of these toxins on residents.
It is a case where saving face that we have seen at Yarnell concerning the deaths of the 19 is not saving lives. People are saving face as well concerning the devastion of health and lives the retardant dumping has caused. I just happens that Joy knows every living body in Yarnell and can tell you the names and addresses of a third of the town that is now dead after the retardant dumping, and add to that a litany of people that have come down with terrible illnesses after the Yarnell wild fire ordeal.
Yet many would not want to admit to these things–they do not realize that saving face means the killing machine will continue. Few will bother to google and see the hundreds of thousands of dead fish along the beeches in Florida from the Phosphate leaks of abandoned phosphate mines–the major substance in the PhosChek that was dumped so abundantly on Yarnell. These same people wanted to save face when I was nearly arrested because I was allowing a reporter to tie a camera on my old station wagon after the fire. They rather save face and give away their first amendment rights. Yet perhaps it is ignorance–just as I was ignorant early on concerning the terrible toxins known and some unknown under trade secret laws in the retardant.
Perhaps ignorance is no excuse–but it is impossible to know it all. But common sense goes a long ways and once you see your neighbors being picked off all up and down the street after the inundation of the orange chemical spray, you ought to rethink the situation. When you see hundreds of thousands of fish dead, do you think you will escape the toxins those fish suffered. The stench is not good nor are the photos of the dead zones created by these phosphate and nitrate concentration carried to the ocean–But I stand in horror when I saw the effects on some in Yarnell and indeed it is depressing that so many are willing to sweep it all under the rug and go on as if nothing matters. Indeed Black Lives Matter–every life matters –even those fish that now lay dead–and even those of us who were poisoned at Yarnell.
I reread this time–for those offended by improper use of words in the Queen’s English program, I apologize. Whom should be used after a preposition and so forth.
There is proper form and it ought to be followed —
I did finally get to the hospital–In my case there was no alternative. Being only able to feed my pooches and such minor things that require bare minimum effort is not enough. However I feel duty bound to express my ideas about my own ordeal–certainly not for sympathy, but because I think it is help some that are in contact with the orange retardant to save themselves much misery and grief that illness and death affects greatly also the loved ones.
You mostly know that after many trips hiking through the deadly chemical dust caused by the hundreds of thousands of gallons spread upon and around Yarnell and Peeples Valley area there has been an extreme skewing of the bell curve concerning death and disease. In fact if you compare the general population death rate with that of Yarnell after the dumping of the orange chemical agents, you will easily see it comes to about 7 times the normal death rate.
So it was about 6 months when I had visited two cardiologists at the VA Hospital in Prescott complaining of chest pains. At that time they put me though a stress test by running me on a tread mill. I must have passed pretty well because they estimated that those pains were angina attacks. Five minutes later after leaving their office, I fell dead with a real heart attack right out side their office in the VA parking lot. I had a Do Not Resusitate Order but they did not know that at the Tri West Hospital where heart surgeries are done. It is across town from the VA about 4 miles–but I was surely carried in an ambulance with CPR in action.
There Joy came along some time later–I don’t know how long but by now I was being kept alive on a ventilator with a tube jammed down my throat and under sedation. Joy informed them that they had to take these measures off since she had proof of the order. They did and I came alive in an angry mood–death or at least unconscious state was OK but waking up with a tube being removed from you and other measures was not funny.
Two stents were inserted into my main arteries–there had developed 90% blockage leading to death. The removal of the blockage did good and put me back the business of life and labor.
It took two more heart attack of a major way and some minor attacks that did not require more surgery before I moved from the Yarnell area, the cabin saved by the orange red retardant and the hiking sometimes daily to the death site and through more retardant before I began to improve. By the way Joy and I hiked with various fire men, media and others to the death site through that retardant more than a hundred times–then Joy went on to hike another 800+ times after I had left the area. She is much younger than I–I think 20 years or more yet even the young of Yarnell were coming down with various ailments. She is now having one of the toughest times of her life concerning health issues.
But I want to tell you about yesterday mornings visit to William Beaumont Hospital (a VA supported Hospital). I avoid hospitals like the plague. That is where you find it, covid and a host of other diseases. In my way of thinking it is the last place you ought to seek unless you see no other alternative.
So you see, I was in too much distress–could barely feed my dogs without falling down and being out of breath so badly that you would have thought I was on my last few days of COPD ending. Too boot, I had been having excruciating head aches and vomiting and nausea the past few days. Pressure inside my skull led me to thing that I had a brain turmor in action–several of the Yarnell victims have gone that way since the dumping at Yarnell and even Joy has been entertaining one.
Well, by quirk of luck, a Dr. White was now working at the VA. He recognized me and informed me that he was there at the Trauma Hopital working ER and one of the doctors that had saved my life after Charlie, my dog had shot me in the back with the 12 guage shot gun.
He took the information of my woes and agreed that it could be a brain tumor. I do not know why the hospital was so sparse that day (maybe covid avoidance), but he got me immediately in for a brain scan. Whew, I do not know what chemical they use to inject you with so your brain can be seen on the MRI machine but it sets your body afire and you find yourself urinating every five minutes for hours after. Not pleasant, but I was relieved when he said the doctors could not find anything abnormal, even after a second scan with the evil chemical.
So he decided I was likely headed for another heart attack considering my history. Well I said I had been away from Yarnell for about 3 years when I had gone to the Cruces Mountain View Hospital with symptoms that I believed were another event and they had run a catheter up to my heart and checked the stents and for blockage and said things looked pretty good. This was likely angina.
Only a year after, I had had another event and William Beaumont, because of my history believed I might again be accumulation blockage but they found the same. I was ok–angina.
This time and after the gun shot I was ready to follow the Cardiologist that Dr. White brought down. This was a young doctor but talking to him I felt comfortable that he could handle the job without jabbing through and artery and killing me. I told him it was a good sign when I was wheeled in on my bed because there was no Priest handy for the last rites. And I said it looks like a good day for the Irish Gods.
It was–despite my telling him he could not go in through the wrist because the last Cardiologist had tried and had to go though the groin instead. This young doctor looked at the veins and arteries and said well maybe that guy just did not have the touch–He said I want to see the arteries in the arm as well. Well, I must say he got in and that had to be the best experience I have had with a catheter to and in the heart. He said for all you have been through your heart looks good and your pipes are clean. He has thought things would be plugged–had seen the stents and arteries and inside the heart things were working fine.
He determined that the lungs are messed up pretty badly and that would likely be the cause of my distress.
There are so many that were exposed to the retardant in Yarnell that fell from heart attacks after the fires. I have to believe my departure from the killing zones has saved my life. Certainly the gun shot that blew out a lung left the other lung that was contaminated by much retardant and soot mixed dust. Lung tissue does not regenerate and ammonium and god only knows what other chemicals hidden by trade secret were deposited into the lung cavities of myself and so many others.
The death and disease rate depends on the person, past illness history that will be exacerbated, age, immune system health and so on. Cancer, Heart Attack, COPD, Kidney Problems and so on are on the menu if you suffer exposure.. For some reason it appears that your arteries will be plugged, yet if you move away you eventually will clear enough of the chemical cause out to get back to normal.
That is if you survive the heart attacks. Joy said there were 9 patients with heart attacks the week I was in Prescott. I was the only survivor. Some died immediately and some had died soon after leaving the hospital.
I can only say, not only do you fellows deserve triple or quadruple pay if you are being bombarded with retardant, you instead need to be informed of the truth so you can make your own decisions as to whether you want to allow exposure at all.
These are my opinions based upon my true experience. If you want to wallow in the retardant, not protest your town being poisoned, then I say wonderful that we have a free America and you still have a right to walk a mile or 17 for a Camel. I and many others will defend that right even if we do not smoke and know it is killing you.
Slainte
There were some that proposed that God had other ideas for the fate of the GMHS crew. I had seen the proposal as a use of an excuse to legitimize the hero worship of the wild land fire boss Eric Marsh and by association any wild land fire boss that had killed or might in the future kill his crew by careless maneuvers.
However, there might be some truth to the idea that some outside higher intelligentsia are acting upon the weaker minds of mortals–those easily manipulated because of desire to be viewed in the light as strong men–men of valor among their weaker peers. Those that go forward in danger and receive the accolades and applause for their bravery when in truth they should have been awarded for their foolhardiness, ignorance and needless killing of the crew. The Gods in another dimension may indeed be working their chicanery for their own amusement–and smiling all the while how things are managed here on this earth and how the blind lead the blind.
I had some opined wrong about the man Elon Musk. Here is a true quote from an article about Werner Von Braun speaking about “Elon”: “Dr. Wernher von Braun, the German rocket scientist who went from developing Nazi weapons to helping get NASA off the ground for the U.S., wrote a novel in the years after World War II speculating about life on Mars – and how human society there would be led by an “Elon.””. So is this a coincidence or did the great Nazi rocket scientist have some intelligence speaking through him from another dimension? Perhaps Willis to some degree is correct–there is a “god?” that has it all laid out for us –Elon Musk now indeed is fervent toward establishing a settlement on Mars and lamenting that he might not be alive to see fruition of his intentions. He even wants to be buried on Mars.
Perhaps there is to be another destruction of this planet–the general population and political leaders and industrial greedy giants are after all working very hard to destroy the environment by all means–mining, oil pollutants, chemicals spread in air, land and water, and just about every method possible to ruin this earth environment.
Elon Musk said the politicians, industrial giants, war mongering profiteers, etc. use what the cigarette companies do–find a few scientists willing to sell their integrity to tell you that cigarette smoking is good for you. Ninety Seven percent of Scientists say global warming is happening from carbonizing the air, yet you can always find 3% that can be brought to media to fool the majority and government, oil companies, war mongering fools and the like are doing just that to continue their polluting ways and destruction of the planet. So Mars then might turn out to be the only alternative for survival of Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
And speaking of selling your integrity–we have seen that aplenty at Yarnell about the deaths of the 19 as well as the horrendous polluting of the town of Yarnell with the dangerous and unknown chemicals. Never has there been a better example of the old adage that “everyone has a price”. Yet despite that generalization, there are a few that do not.
Oddly the government is leaking genuine UFO photos and admitting that Naval Personnel and others have known about these unidentified and unexplained objects that defy our understanding of how they operate. You can not handle the truth–only the elite bastards that think they are above the average working bloke can do that. Makes me laugh–and Shakespeare said “Celia, Celia, thou shitteth too”. The tin man with the loud voice and those that do fear to speak truth. So you go to jail for lying to a Fed, but he is paid to legally lie to you. That is abuse of power but the people are seeing it, the lies, subterfuge and deceit are being challenged these days.
Perhaps it is cleansing of the planet, draining the swamps, and getting back to reality–something that is not what many think it is. Willis therefore may indeed know something–the gods may be at work and even working the weak of mind.
Slainte–may the Irish gods bless you should you be wise and deserving.
New access being considered to get to the site to allow disabled vets and others to pay respects to the memorial and site of deployment of the 19 GMHS crew killed by careless action of crew bosses.
I wrote Joy the following:
Well good luck there–they knew about that easier access from the beginning–the only reason to put it where it is down the hill on 89 was because Helms wanted to keep them out of his sight and away from his property and the bigger reason there was money made in building that parking lot–Karen’s brother helped greatly there for a neat near million–I understand they used slave prison labor to build the trail–something they should do is go back and pay fair minimum wage to those prisoners–they were low risk, poor people screwed by the system because they used dope or some other petty crime and with the cop lies allowed how many took reduced sentences even if innocent. They system, especially in Arizona screws the lower classes since litigation costs are beyond their means and there are no such thing as free lawyers for anything below a certain felony class. Arizona has built so many new prisons their system is working hard now to keep them in business. Federal money comes in to feed the system as well, another state pork chop. Bad asses are not allowed out of the cages–something proper since murderers, rapists, molesters, and those types ought to be kept for the duration or shot.
My opinions–use your own judgement and research the facts. History is often what you have been told–and politicians are prone to lie to change your perceptions.
I am liking Elon Musk’s idea about carbon reduction and environmental changes to clean things up. He sees Bitcoin Mining as a big coal burner, which it is. I do think oil and coal have run their time and must be intensley reduced. Ninety 5 percent of the scientists agree that the situation needs to be changed to mitigate climate change before a threshold is met where no changes will help. The other 5% work for the oil, mining and coal companies. So who will you believe? However, it might be a good idea to book onto the pilgrim list headed to Mars.
Sliente
Wish no evil on others or the land–but should we allow the murderers of the planet to continue? I should think not–we have allowed the killing of the planet as well–and we wish no evil on the very planet we live on. Yet have we stood against the evil committed against the planet?
There are certain wise heroes that risk it all to make things right and protect the very life of all things dependent upon a healthy planet and its environment. I have seen this with John Daugherty–why has the so called environmentally friendly senile President not recognized the people that work so hard at doing the things necessary to wake people up to the dire danger our world faces?
There are more than a few people out there concerned about the future and the legacy of destruction we are leaving to coming generations. I chalk it to ignorance–few have time to research the science and understand the significance of protecting the environment. Global warming is real–Russia is moving in on the Arctic because the ice is melting–The ocean is being polluted to the nth degree, over fished and even great coral reefs being destroyed as ocean dead zones are ever expanding to greater lengts. Huge ocean zones of plastic and trash swirl about the waters in six different areas each the size of a state approaching Texas Big–where even the bugs shit big.
These are serious matters while the media keeps you entertained with a senile President and pictures of an ex President swinging a golf club on one of his many scarce fresh water table depleter golf courses constantly sprayed with chemicals and pesticides to add to the ruination of the planet environment and fresh water sources. So maybe an award from one of these crony of the polluting industrial and military giants would not be in order after all.
Let the good works of the planet protectors be suffice in themselves. May the bad works of those bent on destruction for profit and power be exposed. The general public is in ignorance yet many are becoming educated to the facts. The count is growing for change–there is hope but much work to be done.
Great news after the hospital. First the brain scan found I still have a brain and it looks like it should according to the Brain Doctor. Fortunately, one of the Doctors that had tended me when I had the hole blasted through my back was working ER at William Beaumont. Thanks Dr. White–I was not alive when you attended me with others–but you did good work bringing me back–at least in my opinion.
So with a catheter to my heart then a second run of the catheter to check my arteries the good Cardiologist said we saw your stents and they look good and so do your arteries look clear. The only reason they did a catheter to inside the heart was symptoms.
But I am no different than anyone else that lived at Yarnell during the dumping of what I call the Agent Orange Retardant with its secret ingredients. A third of the town is dead and almost all the rest are sick from one malady or another. That retardant chemical slop is strong and anti-human, but we all know it is not about humanity these days–it is profit before life and these chemical companies will drag on no matter how poisonous their concoctions.
Anyway–Dr. White said I will need to see a Lung Doctor–things are bad there according to the ultra sound–well what do you expect with one lung shot out and the other poisoned with agent orange dust at Yarnell. I can only warn people to stay away from that chemical that you think is pretty.
However, those with COPD–I am diagnosed that way–but I do believe I will improve not go more downhill. Two opinions–some say lung tissue can be rejuvenated, some say not. I believe it can and in my case will.
I was able to make two loads of cow chips today–albeit very slow and with heavy breathing. I am not building Rome, just feeding my garden and the worms therein.
The load of Cow and Bull dung gave me a smile because it reminds me of the important people that have fed the public so much BS about the deaths of the 19 and also how safe the Phosphate and Nitrate Orange crap is. A coral snake is pretty, and safe enough if you stay away from it.
Politician and Liar are synonyms. The cronies at Yarnell do a good job at their politicking. But I am not the judge–they are and they even have their Judges. They opine that they are a fine bunch–even give each other awards for sloppy work. But they are all good, honest people–at least they say so. But there is a Russian saying that you should not mention it because if you do you are thinking of yourself. Well none are perfect, but we do expect some honesty when it comes to reporting –especially about deaths that should never happen.
One thing, I told Joy she ought to run for Mayor, Governor, Senator–people are tired of the liars. She is well known and trusted, would need only run on her own merits. Jesse Ventura did and won just going house to house and letting people know he would represent them and not rob them.
I am know there are plenty of good people in the area–but a number of real rascals as well.
Do not give up–most know their own body–so Slainte
Just looked at Las Cruces Sun News–12 year old diagnosed with terminal cancer. Chemicals, plastic, contaminated food, pesticides, herbicides, pollution, air full of microwaves cooking people’s brains and causing cancer–Check out how many are ill after the orange retardant drops–many deaths there now from cancer. Sad, but facts are facts.
You won’t get through this life alive but you deserve to live healthy and happy as a free American Citizen.
Corrections in previous posting in a letter to Joy:
History is often not what you have been told and approximately 95% of scientist agree that carbon emissions, methane, etc and so forth are causing dangerous climate changes. The other 5% of the scientists work for oil , coal and mining companies–I suppose the cigarette companies aren’t hiring. Anyway, you fellows mostly have bat hides of one sort or another so know your Qeens’s English and can figure when the errors are made. So please forgive the mistakes–age, maybe senility and a stagnate brain are part of the excuses–However, my man there is no excuse for tilting at windmills!
Well maybe Joy does talk to Ghosts –she talks to me –but are Zombies ghosts? People have their strange perceptions and those are not fact, but instead ideas inculcated into the brain and generally resulting in subconscious bias. If your Dad had been bumping his head in a Mosque praising Allah and beheading Infidels then so would you were you born his son instead of in a Christian setting. The modern day Christian is not so bad–they just join the Special forces, then go over and kill Arabs for Biden and company. I mean this country needs to spend that 480 billion war monies and what better way in their opinion that killing Arabs—and yes there is collateral damage of a number of our own warrior as well. But look at the decorations they get–the President will even shake hands with some–make sure you wash yours after since he shakes anyone’s hand that is a supporter.
The word is indeed a stage as Shakespeare would say and we the actors–but strangely I notice quite a few clowns that entertain themselves by gossip and some even with brown noses. The brown noser would not dare challenge the lies about the killing of the young GMHS group or the horrors that the retardant does to the world and its people.
So I am amused, but in some way saddened that those that chose to serve the public have such poor back bones.
That is not true for those that post here–you are the minority that fear not the truth nor those that would shun it. Be true to yourself is good advice given long ago–to carry truths that should be known is a heavy burden that might be called self mind fuck. The results often manifest in various ailments–the cure is good and honest living.
But be assured–the chemicals dispersed so abundantly for profit making are also cause for illness–though you will fare better with clear conscience.
Give Joy the credit she deserves–and I speak to any including those that work so hard to discredit her work. They have wanted to make Marsh a hero and to elevate those that worked the Yarnell fire as competent. Certainly a few must have been but overwhelmingly the majority of what I saw would be classed a failure–you just do not kill 19 men and more with your retardant and call yourself a winner.
Walk tall, be proud–learn from those failures–do not allow the same to happen in future efforts.
Joy has posted the scathing Phingston letter addressed to Joy and Sonny. I am reminded that some still live in the dark ages of witch hunting–She and her cohorts would keep Psychics away from the death site and list all sorts of scripture pronouncing such people works of the devil.
Here is a little history of what happened in Salem settlement early America even after the dark ages as copied and pasted about the early puritan history:
“In January 1692, a group of young girls in Salem Village, Massachusetts became consumed by disturbing “fits” accompanied by seizures, violent contortions and bloodcurdling screams. A doctor diagnosed the children as being victims of black magic, and over the next several months, allegations of witchcraft spread like a virus through the small Puritan settlement. Twenty people were eventually executed as witches, but contrary to popular belief, none of the condemned was burned at the stake. In accordance with English law, 19 of the victims of the Salem Witch Trials were instead taken to the infamous Gallows Hill to die by hanging. The elderly Giles Corey, meanwhile, was pressed to death with heavy stones after he refused to enter an innocent or guilty plea. Still more accused sorcerers died in jail while awaiting trial.”
A bit of advice to the Phingston set–I certainly understand your loss since I too have lost not only a son but a daughter as well. However, in this good USA, the land of the free, any citizen is allowed to go to the site of whatever belief, religion, psychic powers or not, atheist, muslim, Hindu or even a Veteran or Fire fighter that is Psychic and would want to pay respects and may also by law freely comment his/her opinions, visions and so forth. Do not let the chains of religious belief turn you into a bitter person against others of different opinions and beliefs. Kindness and respect of others and their opinions, beliefs is the order of the day. I would accompany a Psychic or any other person of whatever belief to the site should they wish to take the hike to pay their respects and their ideas or visions if they have them would also be duly respected. Ain’t America great–you don’t have to be forced into any belief and you also must allow people to believe what they will. However, I will give you this–there are those that would attempt to control and manipulate others minds and beliefs. Don’t try it–not a good thing for your own psychic.
And may the Irish Gods overlook your own prejudices. Jesus is good–and so are a few others.
Let me correct that–so are many others good–We are all finite–In the final judgement–it is our own actions that we account for and are responsible for–the good we do on this planet before entering the next plane of existence is hopefully to help correct and adjust things for the better for those that would follow.
We hope that we would leave the earth safer and in better condition for the young ones that follow and carry on our legacy. When people are killed due to careless actions, then those actions must be recognized and corrected. We indeed are killing not only people but ruining the environment with our chemicals and methods of environmental destruction.
If you pray to Gaia–great–If you pray to Jesus–great–If you pray to a monkey–great-find something you like to do and if it is positive and is making things better for others and the good earth we walk upon-great. Life is too short to try to manipulate others beliefs and worry about what gods, psychics, preachers, priests they would entertain or not.
Here is an email I sent to Joy–she has concerns for her health as do many of us and my regards for those are extended to those that suffered the retardant scourge at Yarnell after the inundations of 2013 and 2015 during those two wild fires that cursed the city.
These are my opinions under the first amendment freedom of expression and I do realize that some in the wild land fire fighting community would bath themselves in the concoctions of retardant and even stress contamination of residential areas with retardant. They opine that the retardant is harmless despite the facts but education and facts might change their minds.
Email to Joy:
Doesn’t sound good on your health issues–That is me, I am just having to do the lightest of things–I can get in enough wood to keep warm and am totally out just to carry in the nights supply. Then did a little setting up reload bench in the bed room since I keep this room warm and do not want to bother stoking that main room stove and I feel depleted doing just those little things–no wind and out of breath. We got screwed from the chemicals in that retardant–I don’t know what poisons they use but they ruin the lungs and screw up the kidneys and other organs in the body–mainly the arteries and heart. Well we are blessed in a way since most of the folk my age and those depleted are pushing up tulips. Those Israeli Chemical companies aren’t only killing Arabs but doing in some good American Citizens with their agent orange retardant chemicals. I wish I had a count of the deaths they have caused nationwide–but people rather sacrifice lives to save structures and with the secrets we can not even know the hidden chemicals–but even the major components of phosphates and ammonium are deadly poisons that ruin our underground water resources not to mention easily killing hundreds of thousands of fish and making miles of ugly dead zones. If facts were weighed this killing and slow disease death causing chemical spreading is comparable to the Nazi death orders–the death angels gone undercover.
But down through history the actual chemical death causing has been hidden. For decades, uranium and radium were used to cure certain diseases. For 50 years Monsanto has had a reign of death and if you google this psychotic company you can see the wanton destruction they have laden upon humans, the environment and the animal and ocean population. The facts speak for themselves–one example from Canada copy and pasted: “May 16, 2019 · For 43 years, the forest industry has been conducting aerial spraying of glyphosate herbicide on Indigenous lands – a “rain of death” used in forest management practice that has slowly been killing off a wide range of animals, plants, fish and insects.” Monsanto was the distributor of retardant–sold out and eventually the Iraelie companies took over the destructive practice for the lucrative profits.
These companies are much like those billionaire and trillionaire companies that have bought our politicians, media and even educational institutions. Just as China has pumped billions into Harvard and other top Universities and into people such as Hunter Biden and those on our intelligence committees to buy influence and secrets so do these chemical companies push their profits. Even if a chemical is recognized as causing problems these companies with their money trees go to court and argue for years for the continuation of their death dealing chemicals. For example the horror of Thalidomide was recognized in 1961 but it was 1968 before settlement was reached even as the chemical continued to be distributed. These companies will maintain their profits and health and environment are trashed. So the truth is–your government does little to protect your health–you indeed need to understand the system and know that you better become aware of the dangers to health by your own accord.
The actual destruction caused by retardant is shameful just as the idea that young hero wild land fire fighters should be placed at unnecessary risk to protect structures. We continue to talk about the way the GMHS crew was needlessly killed for structure protection according to Willis “that is what they do-protect structures”–because there was indeed a concerted effort to cover up the real reasons the men of the GMHS group were killed. They were indeed needlessly subjected to fighting fires while breaking all the common sense safety rules of wild land fire fighting. By some political influence it appears that a man with a record of risk taking was allowed to manage the crew and even the lone survivor testified that the rules of safety had no significance in wild land fire fighting. So he too would have fell in line with the others had he not been saved by Brian Frisby. He too was in a death dealing zone due to his lack of understanding. So yes, because the system has disregarded lives to cover up and protect their own inept efforts at wild land fire fighting and disregard of the safety of those young souls, we will continue to protest.
The retardant issue is a real problem not even secondary to the needless risk taking to protect structures. It indeed is skirted because there are major profits being made in that industry. It is amazing how these chemical companies can continue despite facts, fresh underground water sources documented and being contaminated, ocean zones destroyed and aquatic life ruined. Yes money buys influence and the monkeys running our political systems are being fed plenty of bananas to look the other way. Just be cautious with your own well being and those you love when in the chemical environment.
Slainte
Of the chemical killing of vegetation– If you take Exit 116 To the North side of I-10 and angling NW you can follow a graded dirt road. It leads to the Ranch Foreman’s home some 7 miles down the road. However, if you come to a huge pile of dirt on the west side of the road before coming into the ranch area, you can take a rough power line road off the graded road bearing to the East. If you follow that road on federal land to where the Rancher has locked his section of private land you will be atop some small hills. Hike to the North a few hundred yards to see what Agent Orange Does–I had some photos, but that phone fell off my truck and an 18 wheeler made mince meat out of it. So I will have to return to get photos again because the site is worth documenting and indeed worth the visit to anyone who wants to understand the effects of something–be it chemicals or be it something else.
You will see vegetation killed in a swath about a half mile wide in a perfect strip demarcated by a line on both sides that goes out from the hills back west into the valley back toward the graded dirt road. The sides of that swath of killed brown vegetation are as if laid out by a surveyor. Whoever killed that vegetation had a keen eye and a method that I do not understand since the vegetation death is so sudden as if you would walk across the white line on the edges of a football field. What could kill vegetation in such a straight swath across the desert landscape?
Could this be a kill from a satellite laser type thing or can it be done by a precise laying down of deadly chemicals from an airplane? Whatever killed those chapparel and other desert flora certainly was effective–and likely that Ranch Forman was fortunate that the winds blow to the east since his abode is only a couple miles to the NW of the area.
Perhaps it is an agent orange type experiment since this area is not too far from White Sands Proving Ground and whatever can knock out plants that effectively surely would also make a skeleton of a person.
So my question to the forest service pilots who do distribute the forest poisons or else from some of you wise wild land fire fighter honchos would be are these distributions made of retardant able to be laid out so precisely by airplane? Or could a helicopter do the job so precisely with some spray mechanism? I am baffled by the precision of vegetation killing in that area and would appreciate some thoughts on what I witnessed–perhaps WTKTT would know something here.
In my backward life of not owning a phone until I was 36 and that due to a wife that needed one, Joy showed me that you can google the area and pan it–maybe she will do it and if the satellite photos are recent enough people will be able to see that ranch house then look at the hills to the SW of the ranch and off that dirt road. I was prospecting those hills for agate of which there is none but the rough ride over there I felt was well worth seeing that anomaly of destruction that reaches so far out. That trip was about a year ago –location about twenty miles east of Las Cruces, NM off I-10. I was able to hike a couple mile across the area and along that Rancher’s fence line of private land but on Federal Land.
California has not moved in here yet so I don’t think you need a land pass to walk on the people’s federal land. Lots of veterans, myself included have a bad taste in our mouths when the constitution is infringed on the liberty to have the right to cross our lands freely and without restriction. Any robber that would endanger me or himself by charging me a fee to cross state or federal lands should be taken to task–and that includes those that like the retardant companies use political crap to hide their crimes.
On special abilities some forget they have and concerning those whose preconceived and societal and peer inculcated perceptions have cause mental deprivations and misconceptions –there is much to be learned and understood in this dimension
Do not disregard the fact that other entities exist with abilities to enter this dimension at will and even influence although mostly the people of earth are allowed their space within this small time prison. This life after all is a learning experience that lasts only a few seconds relative to eternal life but few will gain the wisdom and honesty to attain the next level in the chain of enlightenment.
We had seen the horrible deaths of the 19 all due to the fallacy of man be it ego, lies, subterfuge, political influence to advance those unqualified or fit to run a crew of young men, and the many other things associated with wrong. But in an age where truth is not recognized and the promotion of the idea that truth is relative it will be hard to mop up the mess–or as Trump would say drain the swamp. It has become so murky to the masses that indeed the scales on the general public eyes will require more than surgery to remove.
Even as it is well that Police can legally lie, they do no more than follow the lead of the Political hacks in office–who is one to believe? Can you stand behind a Biden group or a Trump man who said we will take the oil from Syria while that country is full of those poor struggling to survive. But Biden is finishing up an airport in the middle of the oil fields there now–that oil must be protected and our good young soldiers are no big sacrifice to him in order that the oil fields are controlled. And love the Saudi butchered–perhaps because not only can he line political pockets but perhaps could bring down an administration as well were truth known.
So there are wild fires everywhere but then there are always a few good ones that fight the fires. And those that would not lie or sacrifice integrity for personal gain can not expect their rewards in this small allotted time on earth. .Yet to not fight the filth and corruption that kills men, destroys the environment, and wrecks havoc on life in general is akin to participation. The earth indeed is replete with Tyrant types, and to not expose and protest where possible is to allow that evil to continue.
So indeed those who would en mass protest the evil and wrongdoing must do so to remove the fester. Yes, words and ideas are extremely important as are actions to change the wrongs we see.
What killed those 19 men and the truth? Why is a third of Yarnell dead only 7 years after the two wild fires? Most of those died within a couple years but they continue to die–about 200 souls where general statistics say only about 42 should have died in that time frame? What is the real damage of the retardant to the environment knowing that it immediately kills fish and other aquatic life and creates miles of dead ocean zones where no form of life except the poison red algae can survive?
There are other powers in other dimensions. I know this from experience –even typing a master’s thesis in religion on a Korean word processing machine I had written about as much as this paragraph when the sentence involved the word God–then that machine automatically wrote on its own the word God diagonally down that page. I felt the presence of a powerful being in another dimension looking over my shoulder and now know he or she was having a bit of fun to see my reaction. So you see you never know who might be watching you and indeed you may entertain angels while unaware and even unseen. So tread lightly and no matter how high the G string or number, a lie is a lie and a bad move whether you be a Political self aggrandizement or a Police or Investigative aggrandizement when after all you are indeed a paid public servant who is sworn to serve those who pay you and to whom you owe allegiance to the constitution and the protection of those rights of the people.
Correction: SE of the Ranch House is the area of total floral destruction in such a precise manner that I am at a loss to explain.
If there is one thing that is certain, it is the fact that the cosmos is teaming with supremely intelligent life–This government has knowledge of a minimum of four types of beings–they have autopsied some from spacecraft wrecks such as that of Roswell and the one near Corona, NM.
The government is not ready to let the people know the facts at this time. A few of us have been visited, abducted and experienced some of the technology and ability these aliens have to manipulate and control the human mind and even erase memories after abductions. However some abductees do recall and others are sometimes left with the memories of the induction intact. Travis Walton was an example of memory retention–my own case I can remember the entities before the abduction and the hovering craft by the actual abduction and finding my mind come back miles away from the site of abduction are events I will always remember but indeed wonder why? One thing we are completely at the mercy of their methods.
The many religions were concocted by these people and you can know that indeed the good young god, Christ had his role and purpose being a part of the alien agenda.
There are indeed good and bad alien entities–those mentioned in the Bible and earlier cuneiform writings from Babylon and other areas of Iraq. Of course the cuneiform tablets predate the Bible by thousands of years and much of what is written in the Bible was derived from those texts.
The Giants were real and some were antediluvian–These were the gods, those who manipulated the DNA to create intelligent beings out of Monkeys or Ape Men. We these days are able to use that technology and already some scientists have mixed monkeys and human DNA in order to manufacture organs–It is to be seen how those chimeras will be treated. I would imagine the result is a low IQ monkey-man mix.
There are reasons the Black Government (the one that has no accounting of 6+ trillion dollars of tax funds since the 90’s (the one that has experimented on more than a million citizens and thousands of military people with mind control experiments).
I would not be one surprised that the reasons for Yarnell death count including the 19 and a third of the town of Yarnell (about 200 dead and dying souls) were fabricated. When you see our top agencies, Police that are supposed to live by the highest moral standards, yet are persistent liars with legal immutability, and Politicians who set the standard in line with the false media–how can one be surprised? This is the way the world turns.
But there is an intelligence out there –a round table of gods and likely one Anu in charge as mentioned in the cuneiform tablets. And the love of Jesus–a fine young alien hybrid who did teach love in fact promised to return in all his glory and also judge and wipe out the greatest part of mankind.
The agenda, plan and methods of these extremely intelligent beings is beyond our comprehension–what they say and what they do we have no control over and as you see in the old testament the major God can change his mind and has at times done just that.
One thing is certain, an abduction will set you toward a more spiritual life–you will understand that all religion is a concoction for control purposes–and as the gods keep their secrets, so will our governments and the cronies working within keep their secrets.
So do not let the Benny Hinns, the Black Robed Priest, the pulpit raving Presidents, or the Baptist delusion control your life and rob your pocket book. They too are subjects of the greater intelligentsia.
Slainte and may the good gods of the Irish bless your paths be they proper and in order.
In thinking about what measures would save lives concerning dangerous jobs and specifically wild land fire fighting, Dr. Ted Putnam comes to mind. Dr. Putnam has laid out plans and methods to enhance the security and safety of wild land fire fighter. I know one of his recommendations involves meditation–a quieting of the mind.
Bare in mind, Dr. Ted Putnam had on the job as a smoke jumper-wild land fire fighter personally saved two young Donut types by stern admonishments and words to keep them from committing themselves to almost an identical situation that caused the deaths of the GMHS crew. We know that Ted had survived 15 years of wild land fire fighting and smoke jumping and later had after his doctorate became one of the nation’s foremost wild land fire investigators. He was in charge of the death investigation that killed 14 in the Colorado Storm King Fire and spent much time investigating the Mann Gulch deaths among other tragic incidents. When he speaks we know we have a reliable and expert decision about these incidents. He is no slouch in his investigations and covers each incident thoroughly. For instance I know he spent over 6 years and much of his own money, time and resources to get to the truth of the Mann Gulch Ordeal.
Dr. Ted however has not said a lot about the Yarnell problem–he was writing and investigating the Mann Gulch Ordeal during the time, yet what he said was important and to the point. His reasons for these investigations is to make life safer for those that follow and his observations back most of what is reported on investigative media.
Among the things he recommends is a habit of meditation–the quieting of the mind. I have never been a meditator that gets in the sitting Buddha position but being in the bush much and that alone I have had some profound experiences because of the quieting of the mind. Solutions to problems have suddenly snapped into my mind–an awareness of situations I believe has saved me many times in mining jobs and other hazardous situations. So Dr. Ted’s advice on procedures concerning life and wild land survival are well taken and I should hope he writes a column for the younger inexperienced wild land fire fighter and even many of the bosses that have advanced to where they are responsible for so many lives.
Well, Dr. Steven Greer, MD, has quite a talk also about meditation–something he practices and has used to even contact aliens. Do not laugh, the film he and his fellows have of UFO after the intentional meditative exercises are proof. So I did see his take on YouTube with the solid evidence now also backed by Naval Photos of UFO activity to realize that the photos that Joy took at my property in Dolan Springs, AZ were the same aliens his group had summoned. The photos of the craft they summoned are identical even to the green laser and the mother ship with several small attending craft that Joy had shown me by blowing up the photo. I before had believe what Joy photographed was part of the secret Military craft being developed at Area 51–but now after I see these people have summoned these craft in several instances that are identical to her photos, I have other thoughts.
Greer has met with UN people, Presidents, Astronauts, Generals and Military people concerning the subject. They have agreed with him but have maintained top secret retention of documents that would chill some people. There are just too many people that witness these events–people with unquestionable credentials that witness these things.
And Joy, with her honesty and photos has the proof on film–those that are backed by the actual photos Dr. Greer presents in his You Tube presentation. Actually he has YouTube but I watched his main film on Tubi.
So meditation can have great benefits and you might even communicate with some universal beings and bring them to your neighborhood. Can you imagine the intelligence of people that have advanced through thousands and even millions of years?
Greer says Ft. Huachucha has actual flying saucers and bodies reported to him by people that worked there –so the story of the study of flying saucers at Area 51 as purported by people from there seems quite plausible.
Strangely, Greer tells us that the US Military frowns on alien intrusion, especially in our air space, and considers them a threat; therefore,have brought down
several by technological methods. So yes, our limited abilities of awareness and closed human minds captured and controlled since birth and through educational mind control methods have kept the general public in a mind prison. But some will escape the dishonesty and facades –and Dr. Ted has the key.
Slaiente
Speaking of the mind prison and mind controllers found among the elite–did you notice the coincidence of Biden and Harris becoming world leaders highly interested in removing the second amendment? Just by coincidence this yahoo with Syrian roots murdered 10 people in boulder Colorado.
How convenient this should happen so soon after the entry of Biden and how quickly they hit the podium to comment on the problem of killing by such idiots that will use any method they can to kill as many as they can.
But Biden and Harris have very little comment about the allowing of sick aliens into this country to spread more of their diseases–the killing caused by this will be more in the hundreds due to the actions of Harris and Biden with their invitation of death dealing diseases from other countries. But of course they will not take responsibility for their actions that have invited the influx of these foreign intruders during a time that covid and other diseases are not needed here. Certainly after so many deaths our immunities will build up –but this time of a health and economical crisis is not when you want to open up borders.
I have always said the iron curtain was not needed–in fact our system was working well enough since the Mexican influx had much to do with illegals doing farm and ranch work and other labor intensive jobs then returning to their home land. But to invite all of South America into our country with open borders is completely insane and in truth traitorous action against the legal citizens of this country. But of course, we know that these people that run this country are merely puppets of the military industrial complex–owned and purchased by those people who wish to dissolve our borders and sovereignty so that the people of this country become part of the neo-fuedal system. (Why do you think Bill Gates is purchasing hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland?) The fuedal system is run by rich land owners and the new idea that you will own nothing and be happy is being inculcated into the new think.
One of the things should you take University Psychology courses will be your amazement at the advances Psychology has made in the ability to manipulate the mind. In fact the military has great interest in these methods–some were used in the Iraq wars and seemed to work since amazingly there was little resistance against our troops–a good thing–since God was talking to some of those Iraqi fighters to screw up their desire to fight. So yes, in experiments Psychologists have been able to take a peaceful female and by mind control methods convince her to put a gun to the head of an innocent bystander and pull the trigger. The gun was unloaded but the guinea pig did not know that, yet she would have committed a murder–in fact did an attempted murder except it was considered a controlled experiment.
So much is said about the Sirhan incident and the murder of Bobby Kennedy. It is reported that the head Psychiatrist working for the CIA was present at the time of the killing of Kennedy–whether that information is true or could be proved to be of significance is doubtful since CIA people would have been around Kennedy for other reasons.
But then it is amazing and those they use are those like Sirhan that have weak minds and are easily influenced. He swears he remembers nothing of shooting Kennedy but remembers being subdued. So is it possible that someone influenced the shit for brains Syrian born American that was without a shirt and armed with an AR-15? We will never know, just as much of the information involving President John F. Kennedy is still classified even after 50 years–(what elite family might have connections to that death/).
So yes–this world is full of strange things–I have seen a cattle mutilation. That area south of me is a wide open desert for several hundred miles–a desolate area that I have over the years seen UFO activity. In fact the day I was shot in the back with my own shot gun I was going as far back as I could with my 4×4 to investigate the area–I had been observing night lights low in the area that did not jive with aeroplanes or other craft–and to add I had seen strange craft in daylight that would appear then hide in clouds despite much open sky. I wondered if there might be some secret base–but hope these things did not influence Charlie, my pooch to shoot me. Yet I do know humans can be subjected to mind control methods to do such a dastardly deed.
And yes the government did find a crashed saucer in 1947–near the area of the Atomic Test Site here in New Mexico. That old poor rancher bought a new pick up a few weeks after the crash and after the Military took him for a visit for a few days. They did not send a truck load of troops out there to gather up one little plastic balloon–but we trust that they would not lie to us from the CIA and Military Complex. Kind of like the police that can legally lie to you–I think that extends to all government agencies–but then I was just thinking of the examples I saw at Peeples valley, the Yarnell incident, and the like. I know it would take Gary Olsen to clarify –he is prone to tell it like it is. Thanks Gary-we all could stand to hear more of your kind of honesty.
Truth is justice.
correction –Gary Olson not Olsen–those Vikings have a very tough bunch of Gods starting with Thor.
We have to admire the fortitude and steadfastness of Daugherty and Moore in their protests against big mining operations that not unlike the retardant companies are only concerned about profits while they trash the environment and use the poor of Peru and other foreign nations under slave wages.
These mining magnates engorge themselves while the poor live in hovel condition as their countries are raped of their national resources and wealth. The politicos and police there are all to happy to take the bribes just as our own politicians are bought by these large industial and military complexes. Dwight Eisenhower of my early days in the 60’s warned our countrymen –he knew the end result would be what it is today–an oligarchy controlled by these military and industrial giants.
So it is no wonder of news such as 10 miles of trash and dead zone along the Pacific Coast of the US and continually expanding. It is a situation where there is a threshold–a point where a fuse is lighted so that the day comes when you will see the full western coast become a dead zone in a few short years with no way to control the advance.
Nature is a balance and the constant pollution created by incessant use of fertilizers and continual bombardment of the drainage zones near the coast with orange retardant has guaranteed the destruction of aquatic life and ocean plant life to form these dead zones. And what of the human illness these drops have done? Question the results of retardant death and illness in Yarnell if you honestly care.
So yes in the 70’s I worked at the Noble Gold Mine for two years about 7 miles west of Pine Valley, California. I was the miner there and it only took one since the mine mill Vern Harnkness had constructed could only handle ten tons per day but in reality averaged about 5 tons per day. So I could easily pull that much ore and hand muck it into the ore bucket, I would then climb up the 80 foot ladder and hoist it out into the ore chute when a hoist man was not available.
So perhaps I did my small addition to polluting the environment in that rat hole as I polluted myself. Youth has its ignorance. Yet at the same time during the summers those hills surrounding the mine would have large wild fires. Manzanita growth there was thick and very similar to that that killed the GMHS crew.
So I watched the huge dispersion of the Agent Orange Retardant about the mine and throughout the region during the two summers I worked at that mine. The fact is those hills are only about 30 miles off the Pacific Ocean so that the water soluble retardant is carried directly into the Pacific Ocean. One can only imagine the poisons that have entered the ocean coast line over the many decades–(Phos Chec started in the 60’s but I do not know what poisons were dispersed before the 60’s)–That adds up to at least 60 years of constant use of the Orange pollutants.
Yet with all the proof of the environmental and human damage resulting from this retardant dispersion, nothing will be done to prevent it. Just as the mining operations control the politics, so do the retardant companies–every bit as greedy and immensely wealthy and anxious to lobby and bribe politicos. And what politico will not listen to the corporations that feather their beds and get them elected with their bribes and donations.
Slainte–May the good gods of the Irish do well for you if you do right..
My son Ted Carlos Gilligan died in the month of August, 1999.
It had to be the most devastating event of my entire life and I had had a few by then. Any loss and by then both my parents had deceased, is a harsh reality, yet it seems the recovery from the loss of a child has to be the most horrific occurrence possible.
At the time of his death I was doing well in Minneapolis, wearing suit and tie, driving a nice BMW, and seeing commission checks in the range of above $2000 every two weeks–adjusted for inflation about the same as I was making as a Uranium miner when I could physically do that work. Yet when my daughter called and said Ted is passed it all meant nothing to me.
The funeral was to be only a day away–so I was at work at the time of the call and immediately informed Mr. Cook, the gold company owner if my situation. He said sorry and wrote up my commission tally so I could book a plane and get my affairs together. I was able to peddle that BMW for $500, pack a bag and leave the next day to Phoenix. My daughter was to meet me there but she had already left to the funeral so I booked another plane to El Paso where I could either rent a car or prehaps call someone in the area I knew that might get me to Deming, NM where the funeral was to take place that very day.
A friend came to the airport and picked me up and did attend the funeral with me–we had just arrived at the Deming graveyard as the Priest was saying the last prayers. The casket was open and I kissed my son on his cold forehead for the last time-oh my God–even now the pain returns at that memory. I did fall to my knees in anguish but regained my strength enough that I had to be also a poll bearer–so I told one of the appointed bearers to stand aside, i would be part of carrying that casket–my last chance to be close to my son I suppose had driven me to do that. I never returned to Minneapolis–I had a suit going for a previous job by and attorney named Wolf for about $50,000 in commission checks that a roofing company had promised but had stiffed me. My friend on that job had collected his but had used and attorney to do so.
I never followed up on that but instead went to Seattle and started living on the streets carrying a Bible–I think I had gone insane since I was in a black neighborhood and whites in the area were looked upon with suspicion–rightly so since that particular area had a lot of dope activity.
Eventually I started attending a VA PTSD group more for curiosity than my own situation–though I admired the work of Mrs. Hamilton, MA and how she would do the 30 minute meditation exercises and then a group discussion. I saw her methods as a great help to the Veteran suffering from Post Trauma Stress Disorder–something I think should be used in any group therapy –namely the meditative exercises-and something Dr. Ted Putnam advocates for people working wild fires.
Ted, my son was only 29 years of age. He had listed about 100 things he was to accomplish in life–one I remember to do parachute jumps–which he did after loosing his arm after the accident when he was working as an underwater welder off the shores of Houston.
It was an incidence of careless management where safety devices were not properly maintained despite management knowing for two weeks of a situation that should have been corrected immediately with a shutdown of that device until corrected. But as we saw at Yarnell where safety procedures were being blatantly broken in previous incidents, management did nothing but it seems even encouraged the risk taking that was being done. Structures I suspect are no excuse now after the fact.
I would hammer myself knowing my son had all those years ahead of him taken away by the careless actions of management. He sued and settled for a million but the pain from his arm and the sudden change of doctors and meds finished him off. Despite the pain and at the time of his death he was attending the UofA in Tempe working on a Chemical Engineering Degree and was a straight A student in his classes.
So you see, I feel the devastation in the lives of so many loved ones–and it breaks me up even as I write this about my son–something so easily triggered and yet I know I will carry to my death bed. That is why I and glad to see that Joy and others do not stop at getting the truth out so that young lives are not cut short. Anything less than the truth in these death investigations, especially of young hero fire fighters and the like is incomprehensible to the honest and true citizen.
Slaiente and may the good gods of the Irish calm the disturbed waters.
Many of us old timers suffer lung diseases due to the nasty conditions we have over the years worked in. Mines that I worked never had any type breathing protection–fresh air if available was forced in by blowers and vent piping. But many of the mines did not have that–especially the small rat holes. Some such as that gold mine in California did not even have water needles in the stopers. Those were Navy Surplus made by Copco–old machines the Navy had to have been using in the 40’s–yet still good equipment. I can imagine they did cause silicosis and other lung issues in whatever the Navy was using them for near San Diego. And yes it does indicate the Navy was working out underground bases even in the 40’s when machines were still being made without water needles. You see a machine that does not have water input creates such a dusty environment when drilling that you can hardly see across the small stope or shaft you are working. The water needle in newer machines fits inside the drill steel so that water is injected down the steel to allow wet cuttings to be washed out so no dust is created. Stll though the blast itself creates one hell of a dust and powder smoke that lingers in a small hole so you do wind up getting your share of pollution in the lungs.
Still, I suspect the effects that a wild land fire fighter and the structure fire fighter are worse than an underground miner gets. Some would say the structure fighter has the worse of it but I would suggest that the chemicals from the Phos Chek and the like are more damaging where structure fighters are apt to use their breathing apparatus more often. The wild land fire fighter gets the full dose of the chemicals and smoke. And I can tell you that the heated chemicals in Phos Chek converted to gases added to the smoke undergo a transformation to even worse toxins. Those toxins such as the cyanides are definite cancer inducers as well as destructive agents to the lung tissue.
You should be informed that the lungs not only provide oxygen and expel Carbon Dioxide but have much to do with controlling blood pressure and body homeostasis. Hormone and even blood platelet formation are affected by the lung operations. The acid content of the body is also altered–the CO2 in excess creates an acid environment in the body–a situation leading to cancer and other diseases that enjoy an acidic body.
In my work in many mines and dust environment I have no memory of ever being warned of the bad effects of the highly polluted air environment. I suspect that the wild land fire fighter –if he is not killed by a negligent boss, will eventually find his demise from the chemicals and smoke he endures.
These profit driven companies that produce th4e chemicals will continue to bribe politicians (called contributing to their political efforts). The main media will continue to sell the hype and in some instances even believe the lies perpetrated by these chemical companies and their concocted safe stories concerning what I call the agent orange look and act alike retardant toxins.
So beware of your health–these companies will not give a damn about their destruction to the people working the fires, nor the damage to fish and ocean and deep fresh water sources that eventually become contaminated by the phosphates and other chemicals in the retardant.
You should know that the phosphates are easily dissolved in water–look at Hoover Damn photos of the white along the sides–that is calcium carbonates mixed with phosphate salts and other chemicals from retardant solutions washed off the land where fires had been doused with chemicals.
To give you an idea of the danger involved, EPA has spent over 140 million on Florida attempting to contain leakage from abandoned phosphate mines. The fresh ground water sources are being ruined not to mention how many hundreds of thousands of fish and wet zones have been destroyed.
Yet the most amazing question to consider is how little the main media pays mind to the wanton destruction. We do see red in the skies, but do not think the pretty sight to impress the public is anything beyond a tragedy –a widow maker and a certain destroyer of the water tables, oceans and the life therein.
What compensation is due the wild land fire fighter to make up for the ruination of his health and shortening of his life? And what do these retardant companies owe the country for their wanton destruction of the planet health?
Slainte
Probably one of the most dangerous and evil gifts to a person is to give him/her a position of power. You could see that when George Floyd, the powerless had the powerful surrounding him and on his neck–the evil of the Cop involved was administered. But then we see greater evil in those in power that have ruined the lives and by their power strokes murdered millions.
It has happened in every war and more by our own Presidents and War executioners than even Putin who so many continue to point a finger at. They need a scapegoat to cover their own misdeeds just as the Bush, Clinton, and earlier war creators had done. But it is in all human naturre that the gods gave us their mind–even the Bible speaks of how they war in the heavens–shit what do you expect from these creators?
And those in power love the brown nose–and those that have the power–in the case of politicians will continue to support those that finance their offices and assure them of their power positions. That is why you can hear Biden say we are going to pass laws to make sure the rich pay more taxes. If you believe that then Arizona has some nice ocean front property for sale. The people that finance these world leaders know that these politicians talk shit to please the ears of the public but in truth will never do such a thing. How else can people making billions pay less than 3% and in many years pay no income tax at all while they sock away billions each year.
Yet they are the heroes that fools look up to. In reality they shit too while raping the poor of the land. The poor if they should pay 3% or no taxes would be imprisoned. And the reason most are not is because their taxes are removed even before they get their checks.
Yet people do not realize that there are so many more ways the common classes pay taxes–generally 10% to State Tax and then city tax but the worse tax of all will be inflation and devaluation of the dollar. That income tomorrow and next week and as fiat all goes will continue its downward value and just as when in the 50’s a man could support a family and wife of 6 or so on his pay, now his wife must work in order to have the same standard of living and even that may not be enough should this new influx of Trillions debase the value of fiat even more.
But the sad part of it all is that the power that exists is based on the industrial and war complex. The greed that accompanies the power cares nothing about the ecology of the planet–and it is quite obvious with continual pollution of this world that nothing will change in this society when profits and power that they make are the dream and fantasy of people- that American fantasy to be rich and powerful–a consumer with great needs and the means to fulfill them. Propaganda has the commoner brain fucked and too many suffer the narcissism of consumerism.
So do you give up your moral values and the health of your planet and your neighbor because you believe Trump’s idea of make America Great Again is the thing to do. Well Biden does–I see he bombed Syria again a few hours ago–letting them know he is ready to destroy more of that country. Assange is fighiting for his life because he exposed the lies of former people who claimed the Syrian President gassed his own people–blatant lies to excuse destroying another country and killing its citizens. Anyhow, how much more damage to Iraq and Syria can we do–they look like Berlin or Hiroshima after WW2 already.
Did you know we spend as much money on war preparations called defense than the next 13 countries on the list. And likely more than that since much black opts money is hidden and not accounted for–in the neighbor hood of about 6 trillion in the past years since the 90’s.
So why don’t we bring all our soldiers home and quit screwing up other societies and forcing regime changes to hopefully enable foreign rulers friendly to our Political desires. Maybe we will but it will take some protesting–something that now a days should you be a Journalist such as Assange or a whistle blower of wrong might just get you 175 years in prison–and Assange is not even an American Citizen. Yet the cowards that run his own country are so limp hearted they can not even stand up for their own citizen for telling the truth about how the Syrian ordeal was a lie perpertrated by American Politicians–Clintons–another of the Lolita express crowd.
But all is not bad–there are many good loyal Americans who want the truth and are willing to stand up and will not sell their integrity. There are many of the younger generation that are well aware of the changes that need reformation. So there is hope but too many that are ignorant of the facts and I would say bamboozled..
Do what you love and if it is right and you will feel good about it–the clean spirit is more important than the consumer mentality.
An Email to Joy who is currently off line for weeks>
Joy–how are you–maybe off line and in another situation back with or on other adventures.
It comes to mind that you and I have unique lives and very interesting to the mundane lives of so many. I had thought to get with you to write a book–I do believe our sharing and book could be a great help to many struggling through life and many without hope and perhaps discouraged during these trying times.
Joy I lived a life as a child of poverty and at 9 years old was killing wild pigeon that was at times often was the days diet. My Dad never took welfare and even in the 50’s $53 a month was not a lot to buy groceries for a family of 4. Yet we got by and I never felt poor though the poor Mexican families we sometimes visited had more and at least an adobe home while we were living in a tent. Of course not all my life was in a tent since Dad sometimes built shacks or even once owned a city home for a year or so. That did not go well since he soon moved out in the desert in a tent again and began building with rough lumber he hauled from a sawmill. Why you saw me with my pole barn savvy–my prospector Dad had many abilities–one was to learn to make do with little yet always feel fortunate.
I know your story and overcoming such terrible situations, yet you survived and even prospered helping a number of those you have met in your older years. Our time together saw many tragedies and especially how close we were to the deaths of the 19 and the many terrible losses of so many at Yarnell after the wild fires of June 30, 2013 and the Tenderfoot fire of June 12, 2016.
Even though I am very short of breath I feel alive as if I have another 20 years. Of course in reality there is no prediction of when anyone will expire. I saw myself at deaths door many times and having lost a son and earlier a daughter after her birth, I know tragedy and loss. In this life both in youth and in later life and during my own deaths, I had truly left this earth to the other side more than once. To have seen deaths from violence at times and by chance was able to save a few from certain death over my lifetime. The events have a profound effect on me for respect of life and the respect of others and our freedoms in this short journey we have on this planet.
Your near death events and experiences around those times were quite amazing and perhaps why you take care for those young kids where you can and others in need of help.
This world is now in a terrible state–suicides are increased greatly with many people going homeless, many in fear states due to the propaganda and in truth the actual Covid scare is overblown to cause more fear. In truth this is an opportunity and a time to rally the inner forces that we as good humans have within us.
The world has developed into a prison planet with police that have overstepped the citizen rights so that many are abused by their methods. The Orwellian World has become a reality. Thousands have been incarcerated for such stupid reasons as smoking marijuana, traffic tickets, and general baloney laws made up to fill prisons. It has become a country that it is common to meat people that have served time and lost their citizen rights only because they were too poor to have representation in these kangaroo courts. You see the rich like Hunter Biden running loose and able to evade the system by monies–you see geeks that have become billionaires that would control the world populations and their controls through Google, Twitter, You Tube algorithms and censorship. The educational rote system of learning has deadened the minds of much of the population but it comes to mind that you and I have unique lives and very interesting to the mundane lives of so many. So I had thought to get with you to write a book–I do believe our sharing and book could be a great help to many struggling through life and many without hope and perhaps discouraged during these trying times.
I know your story and overcoming such terrible situations, yet you survived and even prospered helping a number of those you have met in your older years. Our time together saw many tragedies and especially how close we were to the deaths of the 19 and the many terrible losses of so many at Yarnell after the wild fires of 2013 of June 30 and Tenderfoot fire of June 12, 2016.
I am very short of breath yet I feel alive as if I have another 20 years. Of course in reality there is no prediction of when anyone will expire. I saw myself at deaths door many times in this life both in youth and in later life and during those events had truly left this earth to the other side more than once and had seen deaths from violence at times and by chance was able to save a few from certain death over my lifetime. I think your near death events were quite amazing and perhaps why you take care of those young kids where you can and others in need of help.
This world is now in a terrible state–suicides are increased greatly with many people going homeless, many in fear states due to the propaganda and in truth the actual Covid scare.
This state has become such a prison planet with police that have overstepped the citizen rights so that many are abused by their methods. Thousands have been incarcerated for such stupid reasons as smoking marijuana, traffic tickets, and general baloney laws made up to fill prisons. It has become a country that it is common to meat people that have served time and lost their citizen rights only because they were too poor to have representation in these kangaroo courts. You see the rich like Hunter Biden running loose and able to evade the system by monies.
It behooves people to know that these problems can be overcome and we who have fought the battle of life when it was against us know it can be done–and our example of escaping the controllers and understanding that what we are taught is a lie promoted by those who would usurp our god given rights of freedom.
The cop who died of health problems after the Trump rally was treated as a hero (perhaps rightly so and he was a Trump supporter). Yet the woman one of the police that day shot and killed was a Veteran and should have been treated as a hero for protesting the dirt we see in Congress and government these days.
People should know that these problems can be overcome and we who have fought the battle of life when it was against us know it can be done–controlling the out of control controllers and understanding that what we are taught is too often a lie promoted by those who would usurp our God given rights to their own selfish ends can only be changed when the public is awoken from their somnambulist existence.
May the Irish Gods and your own bless your path and keep those awake that are and awaken those that are mesmerized.
Slainte
Well that was to Joy–I apologize for the repeat–I was attempting to paste a word and apparently re pasted a bunch of words–
Slainte–Health indeed.
Sadly the planet is being ravished in so many ways–the good Mother Earth being raped by the politicos, the Monarchs, the War Mongers and those greedy forces in Chemical and Pharmaceutical industries whose sole purpose is to profit and control.
The unseen forces that support these entities of control and power often do know, although many in lower eschelons do not understand their source of power that exists on another wave form and existence. The jealous and murderous gods they entertain feed on the wars and blood letting created by their minions-the politicos, the religious leaders, the war game producers, and those making the profits from murder and mayhem.
There are a few gods who would not teach war–but this being a prison planet maintained by the watchers mankind and women kind and those in between can expect more of the same–something guaranteed since the Elohim came to earth and the shape shifting snake spoke with humans and taught war, religion and division.
The men in black are real–they have been entertained by too many, even recorded and filmed–the entities that appear and disappear at will. They indeed are associated with the UFO phenomenon and indeed are watchers of black suits and black intentions. Abductions are real and the super intelligence and ability of these shape shifters includes their ability to completely control the human mind so that the abductions are preformed so that generally people have a complete blank as to what happened to them except they know they had a loss of time and have no recollection of how they were transported to another place nor what happened during hours or days of missing time.
These reptile entities have no conscience and their hybrids such as the long line of Monarchs whose power from the gods spans thousands of years follow suit. Elon Musk is touted to be the richest man on the planet but in truth that reptilian Queen of England and her breed have vastly more wealth –and control of Nations and people ready to fall at their feet. That power is over religions as well–something created by the shape shifting gods to create distension among humans so they feed upon the fear and blood letting of their creation.
Two days ago it was not windy and today and yesterday were terrible sand storms–two days ago I watched the sky being loaded by white chemical clouds as half a dozen jets raced back and forth spewing out their chemicals. I wondered what their purpose was–if they continued yesterday and today I could not tell. By evening the clear sky was overcast with the substance–are they killing Covid this way? Do we have an amicable government that tells us the truth?
So shame on these people that create these pollutants and spread them with not conscience. Yet I know in some ways you must pity these people. They after all have been given the mind of the serpent and much of it they can not escape. Just as the hypnotist in another wave form has their minds perceiving a lie and ever perpetrating lies, their perceptions are the false representations given them from their gods.
Have you searched the ingredients of retardant and their terrible effects on people, aquatic life and their tainting of underground water sources as well as causing ocean dead zones. Too many people profit from these environment killers–but the shape shifters do not need fresh water or oxygen–like a cancer they are anaerobic . They care less about the environment and the woe of human kind.
So what are in these air dumps of chemical agents? At least we can know–and I do know what are in the vaccines to create immunity–no thanks in my case since in my health the vaccine reaction would be very dangerous, but you take it if you like. These days I do research things before jumping into them trusting the types of Doctors like Fauchi that speak with forked tongue. I do not like plastics–but people think we need those pollutants and wonder why cancer is so rampant.
I remember one year was my expected life span after that first heart attack. And with several after the fact, and all after the retardant contamination of Yarnell that I endured, I have survived now a good 7 years and that despite a shotgun blast that left a lump of shattered bone in my back, a ruined lung and three cracked ribs with an ounce of lead shot floating around in my chest. So the doctors are not always right, a good reason to get second opinions–since I did leave hospice against doctor’s advice and despite having me sometimes strapped down and a bed where when I got up six nurses would show up. So have a strong will and check out what will be shot into your veins–I was once treated for flu after which I broke out with measles.
Anyhow, a few days ago I got a letter from Texas Dept. of Health–an MD wrote I should seek medical help since my lead blood levels are elevated. That shotgun blast was over a year ago–odd I am just now informed. But perhaps because I spent the night in the hospital a few weeks ago thinking I was about to get a stroke or heart attack again. I check out to be OK so left the next morning again against doctor’s advice.
Just do not give up if you are in bad straits. You see I have gone through some tough situations but see that people are lied to and bullied and propagandized to the point they have no mind of their own. Indeed this is a prison planet, but truth will always be the master key to freedom. Any form of lie, even if it be to entrap another as police often use only adds to the evil of the situation. The government propensity to lie such as we witnessed at Yarnell concerning the deaths of the GMHS crew and the spreading of the retardant and the subsequent deaths of many of the Yarnell residents are extreme examples of the destruction of lives, environment that will continue its evil course.
An email from Joy has reminded me that many of the children of the deceased GMHS crew are now either adolescents or young adults. They are learning the truth and facts about the Yarnell deaths caused by careless action and covered up.
I can only imagine that people that covered the truth and enjoyed profit making from the incident having to face these children. Their falsification of information to maintain reputations and make profit and fame will surely bear on their souls. What excuses will they have now to hide the facts?
I can only say thanks to the people that have contributed to this site and the brave John Daugherty who has refused to espouse a lie but has presented the true story and allowed the truth to be presented. The kids, now adults, will want to know the truth.
RTS–Hope for your speedy recovery–
Too many of our wild land fire fighters have been subjected to dangerous chemicals–the retardant being the foremost danger while the constant exposure to the dense smoke of a wild fire contributes as well. I believe the carbon coated lungs (if you have ever seen coal miner lungs you can understand)-combines with the chemical poisons of the retardant to even worsen the effects on the lungs. Depletion of oxygen and the chemicals in time either sooner or later depending upon circumstances–cause a mutation of the cell DNA. The result is a slow developing cancer. Cancers begin to grow and because their presence is not recognized until one is coughing up blood or perhaps feeling excruciating pain, the victim often is beyond recovery.
The medical profession knows these things, the FS people you can not count on to know much. And even if they do, you can see from the killing of the Yarnell GMHS crew they do not often pay much attention to facts, common sense and health and safety issues. But in all fairness, exposure to these chemicals will continue–profits to the big business can not be halted–and certainly breathing smoke and the chemicals can not be avoided.
The solution would be to fine hell out of the Chemical companies to pay for the medical expenses of these heroes fighting the fires and enduring the smoke and chemicals that guarantee health issues later in life. Either way, the taxpayer ought to look out for these men and women since they do protect resources and save lives where they can.
That man or woman being exposed to the smoke on the line ought to have his wage tripled at minimum. I do not know how to put a price on life but their years of life will be shortened by a number of years and often those years they do have after retirement will be another battle and likely a horror story of visiting doctors and hospitals.
Justice is being fair and honest.
Slainte
I Just watched a U-tube guy. He says anytime you use encrypted email you are put on a suspect list because the government and law enforcement thinks you have something to hide–so all contacts and records are kept to try to connect you to terrorist or criminal activity. It turns out encrypted email privacy is invaded more than just regular unencrypted mail. This is the Commies keeping track–or more leaning to the fascist NAZI types making sure they can know who might be against their prying so they can eliminate the opposition. Look how they worked on Trump. But now we will be on friendly terms with China and Russia (Biden has plenty of ties there and made boocoos of loot from the association) so the Commies will be back giving money to influence the political greedy bunch. But then with the Zuckerbergs and Twitter Dee Jack Dorsey and friends and Control Freaks, why worry about the Commies? These boys are censoring and controlling along their likes and dislikes and will allow only opinions of their own–to their way of thinking 75 million Americans have no right to their beliefs–eaters of the looser sects.
Saliente–Be Strong, Brave and Honest.
I will post this–It was sent on encrypted email because I like the first amendment right and do not mind speaking my mind. Saliente
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But the irony of it is that just about all government who supposedly works for the people has 90% of its actions classified and encrypted so no one knows the nefarious actions we have seen lately. I must give Trump applause for declassifying the garbage and nefarious actions going on in our highest offices.
We were treated to pages and pages of blacked out information on the Yarnell incident. Can anyone tell me what there was that was so important to hid involving the actions concerning wild land fire fighting at Yarnell and the deaths of the 19 GMHS crew or why people that worked the fire were threatened and ordered mum even by Judicial decree.? It is sad by we see quite a few judges corrupted by filthy lucre and political and crony influence.
So we certainly applaud those brave fellows and women that have been sticklers at exposing the truth and many of us look forward to a fresh documentary addressing the real issues that caused those deaths.
I would like to see also a documentary on the retardant poison issue with the Yarnell deaths attributed to its terrible and devastating distribution and effects on the Yarnell population. Reducing a population of 645 down to 445 and less in 7 years is a horror story in itself. Yet the media has its head in the sand just as they did on the Hunter Biden Story and the poorly and scantily done GMHS death investigation story.
May the Irish Gods bless you or your own and may the Leprechaun be fairly lenient on the gold digger, the liars and political hacks. Saliente
Eric Marsh had come to mind–perhaps because my son Mark had made a visit today or because I was photographing a meteorite with a nice fusion crust with some of it peeling away to reveal the rock below –a very ancient aphanitic (fine grained) basalt. And yes even though it is a stony meteorite, it has many flecks of nickle and is magnetic. Approximately 96% of meteorites falls are stony meteorites although most of the finds are iron meteorites. The fusion crusts are generally eroded away within a few years so that stony meteorites appear to be earth rocks–however, few earth rocks contain nickle whereas almost all meteorites contain that element in native form.
But this is not about meteorites–although I hope some of you wild land fire fighters are fortunate enough to find one and being cognizant of them gives you a better chance to find one. This basalt has a black crust and a brownish interior –most basalts and other stones do come to earth with a black shiney crust generally though a very few have brown or white crusts.
So what has it to do with Eric Marsh. Joy had photos of a boulder that moved and some had thought aliens might have been involved–and since many of us had searched our minds as to why Mr. Marsh would take the risks of killing his crew by breaking every known safety rule in the wild land fire fighting list, many explanations had to come to mind. Some had even suggested that the datura plant smoke (there were plenty plants on that mountain) might have affected his mind.
But of the giant boulder that disappeared that was in an earlier photo before the fire-someone suggest some alien force might have been involved. Perhaps these alien forces somehow mesmerized Marsh and his men into doing the unthinkable. Something my study of this maybe Martian or Moon meteorite perhaps brought to mind.
If fact, many thousands, even hundreds of thousands of people of good repute have reported the presence of alien craft and even alien contact. Most people do not want to report their experience for fear of being labeled a crack pot and even put on a list of ridicule even to the point of loss of job. And we know how scarce jobs are after the Covid shut down.
However, I am not afraid and I am not a cop so the Supreme court does not give me permission to lie to you so I will share something that ought to be known. See, for many years I though I was perhaps loony since I had gone through an ordeal where these small pint sized men were attempting to capture me in the night of the desert near where I live now. I was armed with an AR-15–not the M-14 I was issued when drafted into the Army in 1967. However it is a fairly lethal weapon and that colt was accurate enough for coyote and rabbit hunting and fairly useful to deter this orderly bunch of militants.
I was doing everything I could to escape this group since despite their size there were at least 50 of these odd beings. They wore military helmets–were armed with something and were attempting to capture me–that I knew. So it was dark but not so dark I could not make out their presence–and I was dodging from bush to bush yet despite their nearness withing 50-100 yards they must have been afraid of my weapon.
I tried every maneuver I could think of to evade them but the chase went on for more than a couple hours. I was exhausted and finally had decided to make a stand and kill as many of these aliens as possible–but just as before once I lay down in ready position they would halt and start attempting to flank me on both sides.
Yet on this last occasion when I had had enough and too exhausted to run and evade farther a light appeared above me and had lit up things so that I could see that crowd clearly and the bushes around me. I looked up at that light–it was absolutely silent and whatever craft it was coming from I could not see being blinded by its presence.
Now comes the crazy part–from that point on I have absolutely no recollection of events until I found myself walking down the Southern Pacific Railroad track walking toward Deming, NM. I was a good 20 miles from my residence and there was plenty of rough terrain, fences, obstacles, ditches and the like to cross just to get to that railroad track–even a highway to cross, yet I had no recollection of crossing any of that or going though barbed wire fences and the like. Yet I remember distinctly those little men like creatures with war helmets and that light but all those hours until daylight which should have been about 6 or 7 I have never been able to remember or understand. Certain my clothes were some tattered and I still had my weapon, yet nothing about how I could go so far and through so many obstacles without some sort of memory of the struggle it would have been to wind up where I was on that track.
So is it possible that there are forces out there and intelligences that can ensnare and kidnap people for their own interests–something we as humans have little chance of defending against? In my case over the years–and that incidence took place in the early 80’s, I have pondered the experience many times even wondering if the government had quiet helicopters, holograms to meddle with people and ways to capture and experiment on humans. The CIA and all law enforcement are at liberty to experiment and lie at will under the sanction of legal means sanctioned by the US Supreme Court. And we see even how many in even the Forest Service ant other realms use these liberties under their badges.
So you see, one such as I could imagine that there was a possibility that Eric Marsh and company were under a spell cast by an alien agenda or even a federal experiment. And even that Marsh had a previous history of taking chances with his men, that would make him an even better candidate for an experiment of such evil intent–for no one would look beyond his previous careless methods.
Much has been said about AI–and obviously these saucers carry AI since not known human or biological type creature and brain could withstand the G forces involved in these Saucer maneuvers. The genius Elon Musk speaks about the fear of AI and where it will lead–AI is so far beyond our own abilities and of course could as a machine withstand unlimited distances and life and do as we see many of the UFO phenomenon appear and disappear at will by their technologies. So Eric Marsh, perhaps we will never know the real truth unless we meet again in another dimension and will it matter at that time?.
And what I have told you I would swear to be the truth on a Bible, My Mothers Grave or by the good gods of the Irish or by the side of Jesus. I do not have Supreme Court privilege to lie to you.
I will attempt to show you the cancer only of a person in Yarnell whose yard and home were colored orange-red by the toxic retardant. Joy and I visited this man’s home and witnessed the inundation of his home and yard after the fire. I will not name the person but show the cancer only in the photo to respect his privacy–it is a horror photo and covered half his face over the left eye and from the top of his head to his upper lip–the size of half a basketball. Do not look at this photo if you have a weak stomach–I have seen some horror scenes and this old miner can not hardly look at this man’s predicament without turning away. Did the retardant inundation do this to this man? This is a horror scene that makes the most horrible movie scene look limp. For a human being to suffer this in his last month of life is unimaginable. I do believe his horror story is directly related to and caused by the chemicals he had to endure on a daily basis after the covering of his residence and yard with the chemical laden orange-red wild land fire retardant.
I will forward photos to John Daugherty–perhaps he can post partial photos without identifying the person–they will make you sick to view–OMG horror of horrors.
The three year drought is bound to put you wild land fire fighters to work. The arsonists can rest–the heat and dry factor will be enough to keep everyone busy.
It also meas heavy loads of retardant will be dispensed. It will be smart for those exposed to wear mask although I doubt the effectiveness of those dust mask things. Ammonia from the Ammonium Phosphate dispersion is a voracious lung solvent.
Would you know that the mines used to give us silk covered glass capsules of ammonium we could break between our fingers to sniff in order to kill powder headaches. The nitrate smoke from a dynamite blast will give you a monster head ache and you will try anything to get rid of it. Of course you loose lung cells that can not be regenerated–but here I am alive today with one lung shot out and the other showing a nasty bunch of scar tissue. Could that be from breathing so much dust, ammonium salts, and then the real killer of retardant dust and fumes.
Of course you are never told of the dangers when working these jobs. Try running a jack leg all day, slushing, mucking, timbering and the many other challenges a miner runs into. It is like the grunt doing line–by the time you get a breather, you are certainly not ready to study an article on the effects of ammonium on your health or whether low or medium or even high grade uranium ore is likely to spark cancer in your later years. It is enough to wash down the dust with a few beers then head to a bunk for a bit of rest.
In mining the next day you will be looking at a deep hole that is more than a quarter mile down and realizing that you will be leaving the surface on a cage dangling off a two inch cable. There are about 50 men crowded in with you and 50 above you on that two tier cage–your life depends on that cable and the weight is such that if that hoist man does not know his job well or falls asleep you might find yourself in a free fall. Of course there are dogs on the cage that if it breaks loos will hopefully dig into the sides of the shaft and stop the fall. They have not always been reliable and your chances there are likely less than fifty percent to stop the fall.
So, these jobs we do are dangerous–but they pay well and someone must do them. It is almost a military thing–some will go to war and some will stay and do book work or work the fields. I would go to war today should someone invade this country as we have invaded other countries. But, no not my idea to go off to the China Sea and antagonize the Chinese or do I admire the war mongers that send our good young men and women to screw with Afghani’s, Iraqis, or Iranian fellows. We have our own borders being overrun right now with a refugee problem and a drought where food shortages are likely in the next few years.
So I did finally get my solar hooked up–those solar panels I got off ebay are sold right there in Gilbert, Arizona and a bargain at $100 apiece for 327 watt pannels. I have them hooked in series giving off 360 volts DC power converted to 240 Volts AC. There are only 12 panels hooked up now but that is almost 4000 watts of energy when the sun is up high–so let the grid go down–my system won’t notice if it does since I set it up to work on or off grid should I choose to tell the electric company to shut down their grid. I managed to use 8 marine batteries from Wal Mart wired for 48V charging off that inverter–good enough for my small usage at afterhours when the sun is down. My system can not be hacked–but you know, we lived many years when I was growing up without electric power. Kerosene lamps did night time home work and power lines were miles from our abode. So, one can be happy, productive and make do without all the conveniences–yet here now there is much to be said to have the internet–so much to be learned from those elders and now the young ones that have access, vitality and new ideas bent on good things for the environment, health, and life of the planet in general.
One thing is –do not depend on the government or Forest Service or anyone for that matter to maintain your comfort and happiness. They are still worried over Trump, whether the elections are intact, and whether Grislane is going to rat out Gates, Clinton, and a bunch of those fellows that were in on the child molestation ring that Epstein was doing. I see Gates is getting divorced after too many rides on the Lolita Express–but Clinton is safe–Hillary gives a shit less about what he does.
Yet in the meantime, there are a myriad of problems this country is facing. But then Nero fiddles as Rome burns.
Tiger got snake bit–came to me for sympathy so has gotten royal treatment in his recovery. Tiger is the Catahola dog I was given in El Paso–ever bit as tough as Cowboy was and with the same Catahola independence. He will make it just fine but he had to let me know it hurts–that snake gave him a heavy dose of venom–so much I though his shoulder was broken until I realized it is a snake bite. The swelling is down some after two days and he is up and playing with Blackie, Buckie and the new dog Woola.
There is a better way.
Slainte
What is going on and why are the Brits sailing their war ships into the Black Sea to harass Russia? Now the English Ships have gotten shots fired to warn their ships away–Putin is a man unlike Biden–he is not one to bought off and should you watch his videos you would understand this man when he speaks means exactly what he says. He has drawn a red line and anyone crossing that line is also going to be in the line of fire. Are the English trying to start a war –Biden took the hint and turned back his ships when warned. He has China to deal with for his war monies and war mongering military industrial complex as President Eisenhower had called them. Certainly Britain is no longer the world’s chief imperialistic nation. That position was taken by our own governmental agents and the Biden group is continuing the Trump stance–Make America Great Again by invading the China Seas and were he in charge no doubt he would have turned the ships back as well. There is a great possibility of WW3 on a grand scale in messing with Russian Interests.
No doubt England still has much influence. The queens image on some coins I have is not bad for her younger days. And she only need wave her hand at Australia or Canada to get them involved behind the money business of prodding the Russians. But in fact it is a fools mission to do so and these actions have only brought the Russians closer to China. Russia in fact has evolved more toward a democratic government as our own government has gravitated toward a military and oligarchic police nation. The police here are even military equipped and trained to handled the masses of our own country by these means.
In truth, we do need a strong military but not hanging out near Chinese or Russian Borders. Should their military be hanging out near our borders we certainly would be quite concerned, even likely fire warning shots over any military ship convoy hanging near our shores and drawing a red, white and blue line where we felt it needed. So hang on Sloopy, Hang on–this might just come to one hell of a life event.
I did hike at least six yesterday–got caught in a thunder and lightening storm and hail plastering my back with gale force winds. Those pea sized hail stones sting like bees with gale force winds driving the rain and hail mix. But it was good–perfect since the wind was from the South and driving me home. I suppose the four dogs were challenged by the lightening strikes and hail since they had bunched up next to me–4 big dogs and me escaping the elements must have been a sight.
Today I did another hike of about six–started at noon and ended about 3–but the heat and humidity had me dizzy so I came back early on a hike I had wanted to go longer. I was swinging a Tesoro metal detector the whole way–yet only found a wooden form nail in the desert where you would not expect –but then I saw a rotted wood plank that had floated in during a bad rain storm.
This desert has many secrets like our government and CIA. Well it is a challenge to understand them and recent revelations of UFO technology is odd, but those dark agencies have their purpose in any information revelation. Do not think I am anti-government–just anti-bad government. Government has its purpose to serve the people but when it becomes a servant of a few and a depressant for the many then it does need an overview.
Understand that there are parts of the government that are doing the right thing. I have heard the VA Health System bad mouthed. But my experience is that those doctors do not have agendas like private doctors. They are paid a set allowance so they do not do excessive unneeded operations to line their pockets. However in times past some have used enlisted men as experimental subjects–drugs and such were tried to see how the soldier would fare. These are documented, but now a days I think you have a better chance using a military doctor than you do a civilian doctor. But doctors are like marksmen–some are good and some are average and some are downright terrible. Do check, as Joy does, their history to see the survival rates.
I write this to encourage you that might want to quit because the retardant or other issues have damaged your health and life outlook. Sunshine and some exercise will help any condition–
When I came back from the Hospital with a hole the size of a fist in my back I had to carry some kind of suction device 25-7 to collect the wound emissions that looked like pus in the container. I had to see a nurse every third day where I would drive into Las Cruces and she would clean the machine and re dress the wound. It was three months of that before the machine was removed, yet I still had a hole in my back that was still closing up. A shotgun wound direct to the back is a very bad thing and takes much time to heal. Still today I have some pain carrying a metal detector but in order to get things working, I know the arm must be used. Our bodies if not used become atrophied–finally lock up and you know what that means.
There was night before last a bad accident on I-10 so that trucks were lined up at midnight until two in the morning–the winds were so they paralleled my abode. The concentrated diesel smoke from miles of trucks drove me out of my place so that me and my dogs hiked some thee hundred yards south and away from the freeway. It was a bright moon so I did a good rest on the sand until the road was cleared and trucks began to move away.
You see, many of the Uranium mines used diesal equipment instead of electric in their underground tunnels. They were able to carry more ore in the 3 wheeled young buggies and faster that way and why I was having to use a ladder and extra long Jack Leg to drill those particular faces–it was 10 ft and more to the back (ceiling) because of those large machines. But the diesel smoke in those tunnels would become a haze and breathing it was no nice thing. These days even if I am behind a diesel bus I must pull over or quickly go around–my lungs can’t handle it. But that is mining–and unlike the federal people, the mining companies offer no help for those they sicken. Fortunately if you are a veteran you can get health care and I suppose also medicare is available for non vets? And that is agreeable and should be done for the citizens of this great country that always was great and will be even if we need a regime change here.
I neither supported Trump nor Biden although of the two Trump was the better choice of the bad. Telsie Gabbard was my choice because I like honesty–and she did a good job exposing Harris for what she really was and is.
So you have to know why Biden does not want the Journalists hanging around El Paso and other ports–it is bad politics to have on media the hundreds of illegal immigrants wearing we love Biden–thanks for opening up the US borders to anyone wanting to cross over.
Yes the poor people here got a $1400 check–but that aid to the needy including small business amounted to only 9% of that Trillion+ dollar bill. The rest goes to pork –If there were an honest thing it would have been a separate bill to aid people alone–which would amount to a few billion. I think 90% of the people have no idea how their politicians are rooking them–that $1400-only a small portion of the trillion+ the 90% tack on creates a huge tax that will enslave even more the worker –your and my kids and grand kids so they will be subjects of shackles of debt forever.
To limit the press is a violation of the first amendment. But then, we see that these days to swear to uphold the Constitution means nothing to these new world order worshipers. And I do not forget I was nearly arrested because I would dare allow a camera on my car to film the downtown of Yarnell after the fire. And the strange part ;of that was that many Yarnellites are so willing to forfeit rights either for their own selfish reasons or because they are brain dead. Once government becomes Tyrannical there is no turning back–the new push to remove arms from people always is the first move of a government that wants to demand complete control. So yes, the shackles of debt and open border policies and restrictions and sanctions of alternative ideas. Welcome to the neo fascist era and the end of democracy and personal rights.
There are competent law enforcement honcho’s. The Fire Fighting cadre that were involved with the Yarnell debacle would do well to search You Tube for video regularly put out by Sheriff Judd. He just jailed and fired three of his deputies for cover ups and hiding evidence, even manipulating evidence.
The Wild Land Fire Fighting industry is akin to the police force and demands the same integrity. So why have we not seen these redactors, evidence manipulators and obvious fact omitters held to the same standards.
You have to applaud honest people like Sheriff Judd who will not tolerate any dishonest or false reporting within his body–and certainly applaud him for bringing to the public light the bad cops under his watch. He even shows their mug shots so people can know who the culprits are–something that will deter any others inclined to think they can get away with devious practices as public servants. Integrity and high standards are demanded of anyone wishing to work in law enforcement or fire fighting communities. The Yarnell incident was woefully lacking in its duty to tax payers and those killed due to negligent actions and hiring practices of the wild land fire community that was involved at Yarnell. I dare say the crony system is eating upon itself–something that could indeed be improved by having people review the many Sheriff Judd public expositions of his work in Polk County.
People are not so dumb as they do not know what went on at Yarnell. Still it will take some good souls among the wild land fire fighting community and some fair unbiased media persons to make the changes needed to prevent continued tragedies.
My clan’s shield is a fine thing. We are little servants of the big servant–the good Gods of the Irish. Humility is not being fearful–the humble person is often the brave one to follow the straight and narrow.
Be the good hero of good repute.
There is Reality Therapy very efficient for helping people in distress for example Mr. Donahue AKA Donut. Dr. Glasser suggested the Therapy and used it in VA patient treatments during the 60’s but the Therapy is by no means outdated. He came up with what he called the three R’s–right and wrong, realism and responsibility. This type of Therapy was not taught at NMSU but I always saw it as a better therapy method than the Rogerian Therapy the graduate program there was oriented toward.
Sometime simplicity is the best way to work out a problem. If one knows right and wrong–generally all can understand that and as well understand the necessity to be responsible in fulfilling that obligation of doing the right thing–it follows that the distress will be removed. Reality is a biting thing and where people have blatantly lied, there is but one way to clear the conscience and relieve the stress.
I have to believe that PTSD is often caused by situations where people have covered up reality knowing the harm their actions have caused others. In the case of the 19 deaths nothing but the truth mattered rather than the ploy to cover someone’s back by omission and commission.
However there are exceptions–the psychopath or sociopath has no reference to reality and is prevented from stress by narcissistic tendencies. These types can fool people with feigned behavior and go about their business with no guilt regardless of how many lives they have affected by their lies.
Three symptoms of young people of the psychopathic demeanor include bed wetting usually up to the age of 12, cruelty to animals and fire setting. Of course there are other symptoms as well such as disregard for others and pathological lying and manipulation. Of course, some time and testing would be in order for some of the participants in the Yarnell Death Cover Up. In any event, the situation would be considered a pathology considering how many were harmed by the lies at Yarnell and the danger of disregarding the safety of future wild land fire fighters. I do think perhaps some will come clean perhaps at the time of their death beds. But that is reality–and we must accept the things we can not change and change those we can–(mostly our own situation)-we can rest well if we have done well.
Good will to good people–Slainte
Some of us have paid our dues to this life the hard way doing the dirty and tough jobs that most would skirt. These are the jobs that tax the health and well being of those that need earn their wages to support themselves and their families.
There are choices in life and yet the jobs must be done. So it is some disheartening to see these fellows come to their waning years and retirement to find that their remaining years are painful and in hock to the medical professions. They did not expect that kind of result for their heroic efforts to serve their families and others. They were the gun fodder needed for these jobs that few could live up to or were even willing to do.
How do you tell these elder heroes to have heart or that things will get better when you see they do not. Still most are bold and face their fates bravely and without complaint. They were never told, but they did not blame any–it was their own decisions they will say.
But was it really their own decisions. Were they in the final analysis told the truth–even remotely informed of the health issues they would face by the long exposure to the deadly chemicals they worked within?
They believed the company employed scientists that say there is no need to worry–these chemicals are safe–your COPD, your cancers and heart attacks, your kidney problems, your diseases are all upon you as natural causes–maybe god punishments or god intentions where he has other locations for you. They can’t be chemical induced–the company scientists say so.
And what about the ocean dead zones? And those proxy illness and killing the chemical drops of pretty photogenic retardant drops. Again believe the FS and their scientists paid well by the company for these good reports about the benefits of retardant and its secret ingredients.
In the end we have listened to the wrong scientists because we believe in the good intentions of most men and that most can not be bought in matters as serious as concerning human health and environmental health. Yet in reality these industries are dealing with hundreds of billions in profits with fat cats living no where near the retardant dumping–nor are they about to live near it no more than the scientists that tout cigarette smoking smoke cigarettes unless they are in front of a production camera. They play their fiddles while the retardant drops, Yarnell burns, the fish die, the ocean turns blood red and the working stiff is sickened.
My opinions as viewed from the outside looking in with sad heart to see the results.
I see that Joy has a lot on her plate–the work of finding the facts and getting out the truth is a long and tedious job. There were so many layers of misinformation and fact hiding including mum orders and redactions that it has taken years and yet there is more to do to get out the true story of the honest reasons the GMHS crew died.
Although Joy does not own the property that is slated to allow people to get to the site without the arduous climb, she has been helping progress there. Great that some of the loved ones that are unable to make that long climb over the Weavers will be able to visit the deployment site and memorial. That should have been a priority from the start–I do not know whose idea it was to cause people a long and dangerous hike for the elderly and the disabled when they easily could have purchased land or an easement at a much cheaper cost and provided access directly to the site by vehicle. I suspect someone made some profits on the side–seems like there are always cronies involved that want to make a buck.
One thing lacking beside a memorial to the 19 is a memorial for those killed by the retardant after the extreme inundation of Yarnell with what I call the Agent Orange killer retardant. There are about ;200 names that could go on that memorial–about the same number the Russians placed on the memorial for Chernobyl caused deaths. If you google the Chernobyl incident, you will see a nicely constructed memorial for those folks and that was 253 recorded deaths I think killed out of a town of about 50,000 residents. There were only 645 residents in Yarnell at the time of the dumping of the filthy killer slop. Those folks at Yarnell that died as a result deserve a memorial every bit as much as the Russian Chernobyl memorial.
These are my opinions–some of the Forest People say that all small villages need to have this slop dumped on and around them. I do not know if they say it in jest or if ;they are serious and believe that orange toxin is really a good thing. You can make up your own mind–but facts are people died like flies after the profuse dumping of those chemicals–both known and unknown by trade secret laws.
I stand by my opinions–and I suggest you look at the facts–even tons of dead fish lying on the ocean beaches due just to the leakage from the phosphate mines in Florida–get a look on google if you don’t have a weak stomach. And if you like the pretty orange and red retardant colors, also google photos of the red dead zones this retardant creates for miles along the Pacific coast. These world profiteers put profits before life and environment. As far as I can tell, no different than the tobacco companies.
Cheers and good tidings to those involved toward getting people up to the deployment site and memorial without the long and terrible hike for those disabled or unable to make the difficult trail hike.
Slainte
It is hoped one of you fellow college graduates with a science related bathide will take time to investigate the death and human sickness caused by the retardant. The death rate at Yarnell hit the ceiling after the two two great Agent Orange like Retardant covered the residences and area about Yarnell during the Yarnell Disaster and Death Fire of 2013 that ended the lives of 19 young wild land fire fighters–and the second dumping of the toxic ret4ardant during the Tenderfoot fire only three years later. My degrees are in Psychology, Education, and Religion-and yes I know about the destruction that even a 12 year old 7th grader could deduce from the evidence and death count and sickness caused at Yarnell after the hundreds of thousands of gallons of orange and red retardant dumps were made on that small village of 645. About a third of the population has been killed off by now and almost all the rest sickened in one way or another thanks to the inundations.
However, it would take a science major with a solid chemical background to research and write a publishable paper for a Science Journal to arouse the public and save some lives, environment aquatic and fish life—not to mention the saving of fresh water tables and stopping of the increasing ocean dead zones fed by the phosphates and nitrates dissolved by rain waters to end up feeding the toxic red algae that kills all other life below its spread.
One thing is; certain, the wild land fire fighter as well as any fire fighter often faces grave danger just from his/her employment. Yet the majority are led to believe the chemicals used in wild land fire fighting and including the foams and other chemicals involved are harmless chemicals. Yet go visit the many retired wild land fire fighters or any that have spent time around the chemicals used in fire fighting and you will be aghast if you respect human life and dignity. My own experience has been to see that these people that I have met almost to a man are suffering dire health issues (I can not speak for the female side since I have not met any of the retired ones.).
So I have before published on Recidivism of Prisoners in a Psychological Journal during my graduate years and find that such articles draw much attention from the public and professionals in the related field.
Therefore, you can see that a scientific study in the tragic effects of the retardant toxins would be a great wake up call to the public, save lives, health, environment fresh and ocean waters, and certainly protect the lives and health of those warriors that protect our homes, resources, lives and general welfare.
Slainte
Perhaps to give some idea to the religiously enchained crowd–by now more than a few Psychics have visited the site of GMHS demise and have made determinations on their own. So Sonny and Joy won’t be taking any up there unless they should request our presence. I would be glad to go with such to hear out their take –and should they talk to the spirits or ghosts of the dead, I would be one to listen. You never know what you might learn as a listener instead of a rigid attitude. You never know when you would be entertaining angels.
Early evening as the sun sets with the west orange, red and yellow skies fading I found myself atom my trailer home. It took me some time to piss ant 6 more railroad ties up the ladder to atop the porch I had built around the south end of the trailer. I had done six in the early morning but the NM sun and a dizzy spell had me wait till now to get the rest up. I am using them to secure 12 327 watt solar panels I had taken up the day before. I had these panels stored–was not sure I would use them here since I really had thought to move farther away from this I-10 traffic.
The moon is past 3/4 and bright so I spent some time in meditation atop –evenings on top of your trailer are quite inspiring–the cool breeze and clear skies deserve a good examination.. Maybe my spirit will soon be visiting those far away planets and even the Moon and Mars for starters.
I see the Alien Star Ship is back in its location–added some green lights tonight and directly over White Sands Proving Ground is another though higher in orbit than the lower orbit Crismas Tree version to the NW. Then after a bit appeared another Christmas Tree affair in very low orbit just above the El Paso-Juarez population that is some 45 miles SE of my location. I remember that city well since I had a copter ride that direction from where I was rabbit hunting some 10 miles directly south of here. I had remebered seeing the city of El Paso before going down the death tunnel–that is a brilliant affair–the tunnel is lit up with sparkles of brilliant colors –iridescent but passing very fast beyond jet speed.
So I will have solar electric–a protest since my light bill doubled while my usage has remained the same. Maybe because I did not accept their new fangled electric meters–I had a ticket on my gate to call to get one, but I never did. The one on there was working fine.
Anyway I had to order a split phase 110/240 inverter and will have to line up some batteries–But this all ought to pay for itself in 3 years if I hold up that long. The other thing–there were lots of concerns last summer that the lights would have to go out during the worst of the heat wave–the Electric company was warning people and telling them to please use less during the heat wave. Well I will do my best by not using their power–but I won’t be selling them my power since they pay a pittance for what you donate but charge hell out of you for theirs.
Anyhow I surmise that the Cristmas Tree Craft are likely put there courtesy of the US tax dollars, The government knows that Alamogordo Holloman Air Base and White Sands Proving Ground likely has more than one hydrogen bomb aimed at it so these sky fixtures are
most likely look outs with laser setups to hopefully knock out any incoming nukes. This is certain to happen–I hope not in our lifetimes or our kids–but because our government read the book on how to make friends and plenty of enemies–the kind that love to be martyrs since they will join up with Mohamed of the Koran and 70 virgins–forget traveling to Mars.
Las Cruces might survive since there is the Organ Mountain Range between it and all the Military activity on the east side of the mountain. And almost always the winds blow to the east so chances are the fall out would go the other way–however the electric grid system would go down for the cities–I do have also a solar pump that can run off of a couple solar panels that I have all set aside.
This has been a busy week–I did have to pull 180 ft. of pipe and install a new submersible and add a new pressure tank–but that is life in the country–and nothing to it just do it I say.
Give credit where credit is due and to my way of thinking now is the time to have extra sacks of beans, rice, flour and a few other staples. Biden after all is just a figure head without a head that works very well. But then a parrot could do as well.
Slainte
I had forgotten to mention–and as I looked out that Space Ship has moved damn near over my trailer–I hope those Aliens aren’t reading over my shoulder –I don’t think they have the human interests foremost in their minds.
If you have not checked the documents Joy posted on her site then you would not know a few are turning in their sleep and gritting their teeth–no rest for the wicked.
A letter to Joy–going in for brain surgery–another victim of the Orange Slurry Retardant that covered Yarnell and sickened so many. These are my opinions–many of you are steeped in religious inculcations–do not be offended, I respect your beliefs whatever they may be–but we are still in a country where alternative ideas can be expressed–at least to a degree. People mentioned can disagree and since they have publicly expressed their opinions of the Hikers –may I be allowed to reply of how I can see things. Finding the truth is one thing and in the case of the demise of the 19 and the demise and sickness of so many at Yarnell it has been an ongoing ordeal. Well the Kennedy killing is still hidden under classified documents so that the truth is still unproven–a whitewash to keep certain family reputations intact. A few things have changed a bit though and for instance the Navy is allowing photos and documents showing UFO surveillance of Naval War Ships–something before that has been covered up since the Roswell incident. Anyway here is a letter for your critique and head scratching.
Very sad to hear your predicament–yet I believe in your case you will recover better than ever. This short time on earth we have done the best with what we have and you have done more toward giving others strength to go on even against all the negative and winds of oppression people have given you. It is because they are wrong yet do not want to be exposed or admit where our own mistakes we pick up and go forward. So some will but those like Helms, Marsh and Donut will struggle against truth until it in the end wears them down. Their sickness is in believing in their own importance that they elevate by belieing the truth and belittling and disparaging others. And since we see though them and their purpose we can really just shake our heads in wonderment at such ignorance.
This country is coming to a great reset and I believe soon –the paper with English Old Farts picture on the dollar is going to nothing–We need new dollars–your photo would be a good one to view –and such things as a good photo of a Inu-dog or a Jackrabbit on the back would be fine. But indeed very soon you can be a millionaire with a hundred ounces of silver but then a cup of coffee will be $50 but we don’t care since we will be making our own.
I am not worried, nor should you so much–you will tackle this health thing but it is difficult. I was dizzy all day on day before yesterday–just confined to the bed and up only enough to feed dogs and water the trees then back down. But yesterday I was better and did a three mile hike. So we just have to face the situation on a daily basis or hour by hour.
The gods and god of the Bible were aliens–the Bible was written a few thousand years after the Sumerian books that wrote the same story thousands of years before. The same thing about the flood, edin it was called and how Noah survived it–the god alien Enki was involved in creating workers from ape men–Neanderthals so they could mine the gold and serve these gods as slave mentality. The god aliens more or less treated men as cattle–and Enlil, Enki’s half brother was put in charge of all humanity–became disgusted and saw no use for them so together with the other aliens decided to get rid of humanity by the flood. There were 300 gods on earth and 300 in the sky and back and forth to their Planets in space. The earlier gods are all listed in the earlier texts–Enoch being the last of the alien Kings who also worked after the flood.
You see the earlier by thousands of years texts and history written in clay tablets in cuneiform were later written up by the Hebrews in their version for their particular alien god at the time. The real god of the universe does not need a chariot to come down on a mountain or does he war among the other gods. But of course the set up worked to control humans and still does work–and just like the aliens wanted they set up various religions to keep people warring among themselves just as those gods did.
It is a fact that the alien god kings before the flood were recorded to have reigned 250,000 years and each took a reign of 36000 years. The years are not set in stone–and may have been millions of years since in some parts of the Bible they refer to the god as a day is a thousand years to them. So human time is quite different to their time.
So yes, I have had a lot of the gold miner DNA leaning–hard worker–and the little gods that have the hybrid blood such as the blue bloods in the royal palace of England wind up with the great hoards of gold–so much of it taken out of gold mines of South Africa. These people will never do anything but be adored by the masses and live above the worker bee mentality. They in fact look down on people as so many cattle–fodder for wars and their own uses–corrupt and the real eaters on earth.
And Jesus married the former harlot Mary Magdalene–there are a line of descendants in France–and that is known by the Catholic Church–one of the most corrupt religions–but they all are and in cohorts with the Crown and other world leaders. It is all about control of the masses and wealth for their own benefit. The Catholic Church got Hitler out to Argentina and a great many of the Nazi murderers. They forgive themselves for child molestation, etc–just as all religion–an invention of the alien gods to control and manipulate humanity. So if you see the game, you can stand back and be free at least know that George Washington was a slave owner along with Jefferson–but they did separate from the gods of England for a while, only to make up and now rejoin the English in their continued effort to control the world–with other alien gods amuk such as the Chinese, Arab blood thirsties, and the Russian then the European German war lords not to forget the up and coming South American Latinos.
So it will be what the alien gods designed and always a good war movie. We are the warriors and don’t even know it. As Don Carlos said they did the most hideous thing to us–they gave us their mind.
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Correction–disregarded safety rules –the only thing flaunted was the management disregard for the safety rules and the true reason for the deaths of the GMHS crew.
More correction–I did not correct that Donut touted the safety rules–He did not but in his way of thinking and speaking with reporters disparaged the safety rules and procedures. Because of his way of thinking and disregard of the safety rules, he found himself in a situation where he was about to be killed along with the crew. It was only that actions of Blue Ridge Crew Boss, Brian Frisby and his wise and risky action to find and remove Donut by ATV. Had the ATV stalled they both would have been dead since there was no possible way to outrun the fire on foot.
The reward Frisby received was an order to keep his mouth shut about what he and his crew knew about the cause of the deaths of the GMHS crew despite his close encounter with death himself and the close proximity to the position of the GMHS crew himself.
There has never been an explanation of why Donut was left in such a dangerous look out point out of sight of the men nor why the GMHS crew was allowed to continuously skirt the safety rules–witnessed by several crew bosses on previous fires. I believe it was Blue Ridge that refused to enter a zone that was against safe procedures and rules, that Marsh gingerly accepted again risking his crew to prove their gall. No one to my knowledge has asked Donut if he now believes the safety 10 and 18 are worth his attention. I would suspect he will still say his instincts were what saved him-not an understanding of how to fight fight fires safely, something he was never understood.
Truth and facts are the only way to cause change to save lives of fire fighters. Those deaths were avoidable and caused only by negligent actions of management. They know that structures are not worth young firefighter lives, yet under the brainwash techniques and disregard of their safety, those young men were lead into a death dealing situation.
I am but a humble citizen, but remember that I stood with Joy Collura on that very two track at the very location those men chose to decend into that steep densely vegetated canyon and impassable dead end box canyon death trap with a fire raging in lower elevations. There was no way I was about to encounter that situation knowing that going up an over to the west side of the Weaver range where sparse vegetation such as we saw early that day with Marsh crossing the fire edge many times without concern.
It begs the credulity of the trainers of that crew and leaves the heart sad that such actions were allowed and not sanctioned. It reminds me of the needless death of my own son, Ted whose life was cut short due to similar careless management.
Certain those young men were heroes but their managers and trainers and those that allowed Eric Marsh to continue as a boss were not. Then to falsify the reasons they were killed was even a worse travesty since future young firefighter lives are left in jeopardy.
There is a documentary being made addressing the truth of the Yarnell killing. I applaud the author, producer and people working at it. I do hope more will contact the main players in such move. I do not expect Donut, Amanda or some of the other people so inexperienced in wild land fire fighting or attempting to put forth their agenda’s to protect reputations and make profit from the tragedy.
I would hope instead that people such as the Blue Ridge Boss, Brian Frisby and others that have respected the safety rules and refused to enter areas that were certain death traps come forward to be part of that documentary. However, I know that there is always the threat of those that were involved in high positions that managed to get mum orders and threats of loss of career and jobs out in order to keep their reputations intact.
But from the dark cloud of secrecy the public will not be denied the truth. I do know such notables and varieties of wisdom and abundant long experience in wild land fire fighting and even world renowned wild land fire death investigator Dr. Ted Putnam along with RTS, WTKTT, Gary Olson, Joy Collura, Norb and others of impeccable reputation and expertise and add a host of witness evidence that will be supporting the documentary. You will get the truth aligned much with what John Daugherty and others have already presented–not some watered down public presentation designed to protect the reputations..
Truth is tantamount concerning the deaths of those men. Add to that the concern that little by the press is mentioned about the many deaths of the Yarnellites–my own included.
I had suffered a massive heart attack only months after Joy and I hiked over a hundred different wild land fire fighters, media persons, and other interested parties into the area because local fire fighters and authorities wanted to keep people out of the area so they could not witness why the men were killed. Joy and I began to notice that our neighbors after the massive dumping of retardant on and about Yarnell began to fall in great numbers. My whole block where I had a cabin on the NW edge of Yarnell and Glen Isla had people dying such that every other home was recording a death or sickness within the first year after the dispersion of the retardant. Just as the covid disease, the retardant exposure attacks the elderly or those with immune deficiency and other ongoing illness.
Joy knew every person of the 645 residents and recognized that even withing the first year after the retardant dumps neighbors and friends were encountering death and disease way beyond what should have been normal. The death rate was approaching a third of the residents in only three years and even to this day illness and disease such as heart, lung and cancer issues come up due to the harsh chemicals laden in the retardant.
Certain the retardant does not show its effects on the young 19-21 year old wild land fire fighter, but if you look at the skewed incidents of cancer, COPD, heart disease and other chemical related diseases in the older wild land fire fighter, you will see that the statistical correlation is extremely high. This should be taken into account for the wild land fire fighter and his compensation and heath care benefits.
I am an underground miner–have been in and out of mines since I was nine years of age. Through the years I worked as a hard rock miner in many different mines–some were my own. So I spent only about two years in the Uranium mines–those were at Church Rock, Grants, and Seboyeta mines all in New Mexico. United Nuclear, Kerr McGhee and Standard Oil of Ohio were the owners and operators of those mines. I have had a barrage of cancer–something none of my siblings (3) have had any of.
I say this to show how chemicals can and will affect your health–radiation from drill cuttings and dust that plastered my clothes and person were enough to cause these surface cancers. So do not take the chemical inundations by retardant lightly–those Israeli companies that do most of the exporting of the retardant concoctions are not interested in your health more than their profits. There are few fires in the deserts of Israel but plenty reasons to use trade secret laws to hide the chemicals they use in these deadly dispersions.
With the great horror of being on of the last citizens to see the 19 GMHS young men alive shortly before their deaths, I have had to see many of the Yarnell residents turn from healthy individuals to ill and depressed, then deceased friends–all so someone could profit from the chemical dispersion of retardant. Facts do not lie–those Yarnell deaths from wild land fire fighter to the many citizens all had causes–none were accidents or to be blamed on God.
There is a memorial now at the death site of the deceased GMHS crew. It would be a greater memorial to construct a memorial of dark granite (much like the Vietnam Wall Memorial) and placed in the center of the town of Yarnell. The list would be headed by the 19 GMHS crew followed by the list of those killed by the excessive retardant dumps of 2013 and 2015 that poisoned the citizens of Yarnell.
If you google Chernobyl Memormial Monument you see a fantastic memorial to the victims of the Chernobyl radioactive meltdown. The victims of the Yarnell fire go beyond the GMHS crew heroes and would by now include above 200 deaths in that small village of 645 people since the fire and dispersion of the orange and red chemical retardant. In truth, the death from the chemicals dispersed on Yarnell under secret ingredient and ammonium and phosphate poisons has statistically surpassed the deaths due to the radiation at Chenobyl. It is a reminder of the dangers of the retardant chemicals both those known and those secreted under trade secret laws. The deaths of so many citizens at Yarnell speaks to the health expectations of the wild land fire fighter and others exposed to the toxic chemicals
Joy did send me an email of a post of Amanda Marsh’s thoughts about how people should treat their posting. I believe Joy is posting that on her site? She had written to stick with the facts–good idea since her deceased husband did kill 18 young wild land firefighters by his negligent and demanding actions. There is nothing to brag about concerning the actions of Marsh–and yes as she says, “people make mistakes”. Oh Lord help us when people use excuses for their negligent actions when it destroys the lives of so many. I can only be saddened what was done to kill those men when there was absolutely no justification for the risks taken–Marsh and others had to have known that to get into that manzanita overgrowth was a compounded risk with wind change apt, no lookout, and in a dead end canyon. Marsh was known and reported by competent men to be taking risks with his men where they should not have been taken. Donut himself testified to earlier instance of barely escaping beside the competent and wise old timer firemen such as RTS and Honda of long years of experience.
If anything is important it is to expose the truth so that such bravado at the needless risk of live is recognized and certainly not rewarded but frowned upon.
Some days that I wake up above ground I have to contemplate my own survival and that of the residents of Yarnell. Many of us are on a thin line between life and death and the story of Yarnellites is a horror story that only Edgar Allen Poe could express It indeed is a gloom similar to the Bliblical death angel that came though to kill all the first born unless you were a Jew with sheep blood splashed upon your door. But in the Yarnell story the death angel splashed retardant upon your door to assign disease and death all the while putting scales upon the public eyes.
This indeed is a horror story observed from the spirit dimention with amazement at the credulity of humanity concerning the horror that engulfed and continues at Yarnell beginning with the deaths of the 19 GMHS yet continuing the curse even to this day.
Yet the propaganda for the dispersion of these deadly and life destroying chemicals continues to profit the liars promoting the use of these deadly chemicals. Little is said about Yarnellites and the many deaths there–like the deaths of the 19, nothing is learned because truth is hidden by mum orders, trade secrets, fear of authority, and outright lies from those involved. The human and aquatic deaths will continue, the ocean dead zones will expand and the gullible public will continue to swallow hook line and sinker.
Yet despite the horror show there is always some light–some brave souls willing to stand up for that which is proper, honest. They are willing to do the right thing and speak the truth to the public.
John Daugherty has been foremost in his efforts to those ends. He has presented many articles from his investigations and received many journalistic awards for his presentations of facts he uncovered in those investigations. As a Journalists he understands the importance of the First Amendment and the free flow of ideas, opinions and facts –something shown by this ongoing discussion concerning the deaths of the 19 GMHS wild land fire fighters.
I would hope John receives another award for his work in the area of truth about the Yarnell deaths of the GMHS crew. I know also that Scottie Briggs has been working on a documentary and has relied much on information gleaned from this site as well as his interviews. These people all seek the truth and bravely go forward to present those truths. Their efforts though often painful will not go unrewarded. They are all bound to save lives–enough reward in itself.
A correction on the above ground writing–that should have read blood on the doors of the Israelites–Judah was only one of the twelve tribes–the Israelites included the Jews and today many Isreaelites will remind you that they are not all Jewish decedents.
Musing about the day of the deaths, the Journey of Joy Collura and Sonny Gilligan that began in Dolan Springs, Arizona and eventually included the life changing tragedy concerning the deaths of 19 young wild land fire fighters at Yarnell, Arizona.
That day of those deaths and our meeting with Eric Marsh on that mountain side and at the fire edge in the boulder field where it was then burning has a profound effect on my psychic. I knew somehow that that day would have a historic significance and things I was doing and saying to Joy were coming from my subconscious awareness–I had passed the men and said they look like they are on their death march–all through that ordeal, I was contantly urging Joy to take photos–something I knew were to be of great importance–she will tell you she was some annoyed by my urgency because her photo taking was mostly relegated to wild life. When we were on that two track looking down into that death canyon I had the extreme knowing that we had to remove ourselves from the area quickly. Joy can tell you when I went back for her I was greatly agitated and going out I was doing everything to urge her on including telling her that helicopters were carrying them out in body bags–and in those days I was really thinking the bags underneath the copters we were seeing were actually that. The urgency paid off since in truth we ourselves only escaped by minutes–perhaps 5 or 10 at the most–something we realized only after revisiting the escape route and before we understood how wild land fire fighters fight fire with fire. They had set fire to protect Yarnell while the wind and wild fire was going away from Yarnell–that was about to change abruptly and that was why we were near caught in a death trap ourselves.
Because I have lived out of doors much of my life–even when I was mining at the Chruch Rock mine, I had a small tent at a camp ground for quite a while until I moved into one of the company provided trailers. I had done that at various times–much like the wild land fire fighter–the outdoors is no stranger to those that indulge in that occupation for some time.
We do develop abilities in an environment so that we can sense things. Joy is an unique individual with those psychic abilities–she reads people like a book –however she like a few others had to some degree doubted those. She had consulted a well known and practicing Psychic to tune into the killing of the 19. When the Psychic talked to Joy she told Joy that indeed the she herself was humbled by Joy’s presence–she told Joy that she sensed that Joy had greater Psychic abilities than her own–yet she was willing to join Joy in the quest to know more about the unanswered questions concerning those deaths. Doing that type thing takes a lot from a Psychic–it is a drainer of the Spirit and can be a painful reliving of the event feeling the tragedy and pain involved.
Of course some one said they would be offended if a Psychic were involved–but they do have one involved and do not understand it. It of course is understood by quantum physics and there are a number of Physicists that are psychics and have worked for the CIA with some very good results describing situations by the quieting of the mind, meditation, and directing the mind to a location and time.
So yes, Jesus was a very good Psychic–but so are many others–he did list it as one of the gifts of the spirit that some have in high degree. Joy is well blessed with that gift.
To compare Chernobyl killed 31 people within a few days. Of course it did over time equal or surpass the deaths at Yarnell due to the spreading of cancer much as the retardant spreads cancer and other diseases.
I believe that the Monsanto retardant that now is an Israeli concoction will go far surpass the killing caused by leaked radiation both at Chernobyl an the Japanese Fukushima incident. The retardant is far more widespread the world over–even Australia. When will people understand the chemical poison that this Agent Orange look alike is?
The tough life of the wild land fire fighter is similar to the life of an underground miner. The danger is such that you best know your work else thing can bite you. But even the best are prone to get hurt in these jobs.
I can imagine working a line and have a rotten or burned out tree suddenly fall as you cut line. Loggers know the danger well enough–and in my logging days you could get fired for attempting to free a leaner–a snagged tree . Anyone attempting such by cutting an upright tree that was causing the snag put himself in risk of having his body broken into by an extended branch of the snag as it cut loose. But some would do it anyway since you did not get paid for trees that were not bucked. For those that were not fallers, that meat walking the trunk of the fallen tree while trimming the branches on each side then taping off and cutting the final length of the log to a bit past the longest multiple of 8 ft that the tree could stand. So you needed cogs, especially when working iced up trees and it is easy to know what easy as falling off a long means–that I have done more than a few.
Mining had crushed me in a mine cave in. I was fortunate to have survived the cave in–a few feet and had I not attempted to jump back from the falling slab I would have been history. As it was the main part of the cave missed me but lesser rock had me pinned. My helper got me loose and bruised and battered helped me limp out.
I somehow managed to get home but once down on my bed I was unable to move. My back had been crushed but despite the pain I believed I would be up and at it the next day. Well that turned into almost two weeks and finally the pain had gotten out of hand.
Fortunately I owned a station wagon at the time so the wife could load me into the back on a bunk mattress and get me into Albuquerque. That incident cost me two back surgeries–the first did not work–back in 1985 they were just learning how to do these things–the young surgeon on the first one admitted he had opened the wrong vertebrae on that first operation.
It was in Las Cruces as I was getting a bat hide that his job failed. Whew, another week and I finally went back to the VA in Albuquerque for the second operation.
So I do know the significance of a person’s employment. There is no worse feeling than have your body messed up enough that you can not preform the work you know and enjoy. And not all accidents in these dangerous jobs can be avoided but there are always ways to make a way if you have half a brain left.
And do not give up respect for yourself or compromise your integrity. Just as Dr. Ted would not sign off or lie on his investigation of the deaths at Storm King and despite pressure from those in the cronie bin, he chose to refuse to sign off on an incomplete and dishonest assessment of those 14 deaths. He knew it was sure to damage his career for doing so–yet he saw the safety of the lives of future wild land fire fighters of utmost importance.
Firefighting is different to Mining in that a miner could always find a job if the rat hole or the boss was too much of an ass. Unions, mine shut down when metal prices go down, and sometimes a rat hole is just too much danger–so I have walked from a few and never regretted it–there was always a mine some miles down the road ready to hire–a good type work where you never need forfeit your respect or integrity.
I do see that these government G string fellows need some training–and I can see how they get stuck and some do become little gods and form cronie groups. These are not easy jobs to become a whistle blower in if you have responsibilities, family to feed and can easily be black balled out of that type work. Still, I would be the one to say take this job and shove it when treated as some of you men are. You are not children who are not allowed to speak your mind–and it is; a shame that system works against your freedom to be honest.
These are my opinions–as Dr. Ted said to me, Sonny about half the loved ones do not want to know the facts–they just rather take what they can get and say “let by gones be by gones. But the half that are keen to know the facts deserve those facts. Why we have that inalienable and God given right to our pursuit of happiness and those ideas that good old Jefferson, Jesus, and others had in mind when the Bill of Rights were written up to protect the common man–that one that labors long and when called upon, defends his country.
Slainte.
Another year is upon us and many of us are fortunate to see the new year in–especially those heroes in the wild fire fighting industry. Those of us in the public certainly appreciate your work and like the veteran of wars you engage in dangerous work to protect people, resources and property–often at your own peril. But those of you that work in this industry know the dangers but pride yourselves in what you do and rightfully so. We pray for your safety and welfare in the coming season of wild fires that have become even more intense and dangerous as time and weather changes occur.
We are saddened when a fire man or lady is hurt or killed–why the truth is so important and why so many want to have that and see change where it is needed. Perhaps this new year of 2021 will be a safer year as people learn from errors of the past.
We can only salute those that continue to expose fallacy where it is hidden so that the occupation maintains a level of safety that it deserves. Structures are not worth lives in any way–let them burn rather than take excess chance to kill young people such as we saw at Yarnell. We can never respect the bosses that because of their hubris or negligence cause the death of their crews.
So may the Irish Gods bless you or your own God or idea of one–what you think is possible and good thoughts and intentions toward others including prayers do well. Be safe, be smart and sometimes listen to the wise ones. You never know when you are entertaining an angel.
A bit of an update on Yarnell after talking to Joy–Mr. Flippins passed now–he was our neighbor up the street a few houses. This gentleman was in excellent health before the fire and often spoke at the town meetings. But he is not the only one passes since I last talked to Joy–there were four more she listed and stated that every one on my street that was covered with red retardant has cancer –and a couple of those people were what you might term health nuts–they took really good care of their health but you can see that a good health regimen is no defense against the retardant chemicals.
My condolences to the Flippen family–that man I took to be in his 50’s and fit as a fiddle. The others listed by Joy she knew as friends and I knew on a casual basis and know their health problems in almost all cases came after the inundation of Yarnell with the orange and red agent retardant poisons.
I hope the forthcoming documentary carries the truth about the poisonous concoction that was delivered in thousands of gallons on Yarnell in all areas of the small village. If Scott or any media or health authority person were to walk down the streets of Yarnell and knock doors to inquire they would find the situation to be alarming.
Sad that the GMHS crew were killed and now the statistics of the deaths of citizens is beyond doubt due to the toxic retardant chemicals dispersed though out and about the small village. Yet the problem seems to be a minor blip as far as health officials and politicians are concerned.